I answer "allow" on all startup applications I know, and it says
"completed". But at next boot the Defender icon appears, and it asks
if I should allow those startup applications again. Why doesn't it
remember (and how do I add applicationons to the "Allowed items"?)
--
Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605

Windows Defender doesn't provide an "Always Allow" option for real time
protection. However, you can circumvent the issue by customizing real time
protection options (Tools->Options). Alternatively, under Advanced options,
you can specify folders for the startup applications so that you will not be
prompted.

You do not explicity specify "Allowed items". After you do a scan and
Windows Defender finds suspected malware, you have the option to specify
"Always Allow". If you do so, then the items will appear under "Allowed
items" and will not appear in subsequent scans until you "remove" the items
from "Allowed items".

"Lars-Erik Østerud" wrote:

> I answer "allow" on all startup applications I know, and it says
> "completed". But at next boot the Defender icon appears, and it asks
> if I should allow those startup applications again. Why doesn't it
> remember (and how do I add applicationons to the "Allowed items"?)
> --
> Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605
>

Mr Cat wrote:

> Windows Defender doesn't provide an "Always Allow" option for real time
> protection. However, you can circumvent the issue by customizing real time

So you are saying that non-known programs will always pop up?
Then Windows Defender (as of to day) is only an annoyance :-(
I use lots of programs that are non MS certified yet :-(

> protection options (Tools->Options). Alternatively, under Advanced options,
> you can specify folders for the startup applications so that you will not be
> prompted.

But aren't these locations and files only for the on-demand scan?
Or is it just the text above the exlusion box that is misleading.

> You do not explicity specify "Allowed items". After you do a scan and
> Windows Defender finds suspected malware, you have the option to specify
> "Always Allow". If you do so, then the items will appear under "Allowed

OK, but the startup programs does not show as malware during a scan,
so that is not the way. I think it is very strange that when it tells
you about new startup programs and ask for your choice - it still does
not remember that. Should be a "Remember this program" choice there.

> items" and will not appear in subsequent scans until you "remove" the items
> from "Allowed items".

Why isn't there "Add" and "Remove" buttons for the allowed list under
"Tools -> Allowed Items"? That would be so much more intuitive...
--
Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605

No, I am not saying that non-known programs will always pop up. Programs
that make changes (as determined by the real time agents) may pop up (the
actual pop up is controlled by the real time protection options). The
exclusion capability under Advanced options works for both scans and real
time protection. I can only provide a description of how Windows Defender
behaves. I have no control, other than my own personal suggestions in this
newsgroup, over design or functionality issues.

"Lars-Erik Østerud" wrote:

> Mr Cat wrote:
>
> > Windows Defender doesn't provide an "Always Allow" option for real time
> > protection. However, you can circumvent the issue by customizing real time
>
> So you are saying that non-known programs will always pop up?
> Then Windows Defender (as of to day) is only an annoyance :-(
> I use lots of programs that are non MS certified yet :-(
>
> > protection options (Tools->Options). Alternatively, under Advanced options,
> > you can specify folders for the startup applications so that you will not be
> > prompted.
>
> But aren't these locations and files only for the on-demand scan?
> Or is it just the text above the exlusion box that is misleading.
>
> > You do not explicity specify "Allowed items". After you do a scan and
> > Windows Defender finds suspected malware, you have the option to specify
> > "Always Allow". If you do so, then the items will appear under "Allowed
>
> OK, but the startup programs does not show as malware during a scan,
> so that is not the way. I think it is very strange that when it tells
> you about new startup programs and ask for your choice - it still does
> not remember that. Should be a "Remember this program" choice there.
>
> > items" and will not appear in subsequent scans until you "remove" the items
> > from "Allowed items".
>
> Why isn't there "Add" and "Remove" buttons for the allowed list under
> "Tools -> Allowed Items"? That would be so much more intuitive...
> --
> Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605
>

I also have the same problem. I have a Sony VAIO which has a TV tuner built
in which I use the Timer Recorder for recording programs at pre-programmed
times, like a VCR. Unfortunately, every day when Defender does it's scan, it
always asked me to allow or block again. I have always allowed this and it
has never shown up in allowed items. Also the only options are, "Allow" or
"Block", there is no "Always Allow" option as someone previously stated. I
have never gotten anything to show up in "Allowed Items", but have allowed
four items daily or more frequent as these same four which I want to allow
keep coming back. HOW DO YOU GET ANYTHING TO SHOW UP IN "ALLOWED ITEMS"?????

Also, this makes a very long history, which I periodically have to clear
because it take so long for it to come up.

"Mr Cat" wrote:

> No, I am not saying that non-known programs will always pop up. Programs
> that make changes (as determined by the real time agents) may pop up (the
> actual pop up is controlled by the real time protection options). The
> exclusion capability under Advanced options works for both scans and real
> time protection. I can only provide a description of how Windows Defender
> behaves. I have no control, other than my own personal suggestions in this
> newsgroup, over design or functionality issues.
>
> "Lars-Erik Østerud" wrote:
>
> > Mr Cat wrote:
> >
> > > Windows Defender doesn't provide an "Always Allow" option for real time
> > > protection. However, you can circumvent the issue by customizing real time
> >
> > So you are saying that non-known programs will always pop up?
> > Then Windows Defender (as of to day) is only an annoyance :-(
> > I use lots of programs that are non MS certified yet :-(
> >
> > > protection options (Tools->Options). Alternatively, under Advanced options,
> > > you can specify folders for the startup applications so that you will not be
> > > prompted.
> >
> > But aren't these locations and files only for the on-demand scan?
> > Or is it just the text above the exlusion box that is misleading.
> >
> > > You do not explicity specify "Allowed items". After you do a scan and
> > > Windows Defender finds suspected malware, you have the option to specify
> > > "Always Allow". If you do so, then the items will appear under "Allowed
> >
> > OK, but the startup programs does not show as malware during a scan,
> > so that is not the way. I think it is very strange that when it tells
> > you about new startup programs and ask for your choice - it still does
> > not remember that. Should be a "Remember this program" choice there.
> >
> > > items" and will not appear in subsequent scans until you "remove" the items
> > > from "Allowed items".
> >
> > Why isn't there "Add" and "Remove" buttons for the allowed list under
> > "Tools -> Allowed Items"? That would be so much more intuitive...
> > --
> > Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605
> >

I too have this problem. From McAfee to start up programs with Microsoft
signatures. I'm thinking of disabling Defender between scans just to get some
peace.
It REALLY needs an always allow (for simple use)

"David Reichelderfer" wrote:

> I also have the same problem. I have a Sony VAIO which has a TV tuner built
> in which I use the Timer Recorder for recording programs at pre-programmed
> times, like a VCR. Unfortunately, every day when Defender does it's scan, it
> always asked me to allow or block again. I have always allowed this and it
> has never shown up in allowed items. Also the only options are, "Allow" or
> "Block", there is no "Always Allow" option as someone previously stated. I
> have never gotten anything to show up in "Allowed Items", but have allowed
> four items daily or more frequent as these same four which I want to allow
> keep coming back. HOW DO YOU GET ANYTHING TO SHOW UP IN "ALLOWED ITEMS"?????
>
> Also, this makes a very long history, which I periodically have to clear
> because it take so long for it to come up.
>
> "Mr Cat" wrote:
>
> > No, I am not saying that non-known programs will always pop up. Programs
> > that make changes (as determined by the real time agents) may pop up (the
> > actual pop up is controlled by the real time protection options). The
> > exclusion capability under Advanced options works for both scans and real
> > time protection. I can only provide a description of how Windows Defender
> > behaves. I have no control, other than my own personal suggestions in this
> > newsgroup, over design or functionality issues.
> >
> > "Lars-Erik Østerud" wrote:
> >
> > > Mr Cat wrote:
> > >
> > > > Windows Defender doesn't provide an "Always Allow" option for real time
> > > > protection. However, you can circumvent the issue by customizing real time
> > >
> > > So you are saying that non-known programs will always pop up?
> > > Then Windows Defender (as of to day) is only an annoyance :-(
> > > I use lots of programs that are non MS certified yet :-(
> > >
> > > > protection options (Tools->Options). Alternatively, under Advanced options,
> > > > you can specify folders for the startup applications so that you will not be
> > > > prompted.
> > >
> > > But aren't these locations and files only for the on-demand scan?
> > > Or is it just the text above the exlusion box that is misleading.
> > >
> > > > You do not explicity specify "Allowed items". After you do a scan and
> > > > Windows Defender finds suspected malware, you have the option to specify
> > > > "Always Allow". If you do so, then the items will appear under "Allowed
> > >
> > > OK, but the startup programs does not show as malware during a scan,
> > > so that is not the way. I think it is very strange that when it tells
> > > you about new startup programs and ask for your choice - it still does
> > > not remember that. Should be a "Remember this program" choice there.
> > >
> > > > items" and will not appear in subsequent scans until you "remove" the items
> > > > from "Allowed items".
> > >
> > > Why isn't there "Add" and "Remove" buttons for the allowed list under
> > > "Tools -> Allowed Items"? That would be so much more intuitive...
> > > --
> > > Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605
> > >

I finally figured out by uninstalling defender then rebooting and
reinstalling defender then it worked ok. Problem I have with this though any
software you install after defender is installed, if it's not on windows list
(some software they don't know) then you allways have to keep allowing the
ones you want which isn't too good. The other problem is that allowing
everthing that is already on your computer once you install defender, if you
have a bug in your computer prior to installing defender, then it allows it
which is masking a potential danger. They should make an always allow that
later on you could reverse and an complete unconditional scan option to do
after first installing so you don't mask any problems.

"darkzone58" wrote:

> I too have this problem. From McAfee to start up programs with Microsoft
> signatures. I'm thinking of disabling Defender between scans just to get some
> peace.
> It REALLY needs an always allow (for simple use)
>
> "David Reichelderfer" wrote:
>
> > I also have the same problem. I have a Sony VAIO which has a TV tuner built
> > in which I use the Timer Recorder for recording programs at pre-programmed
> > times, like a VCR. Unfortunately, every day when Defender does it's scan, it
> > always asked me to allow or block again. I have always allowed this and it
> > has never shown up in allowed items. Also the only options are, "Allow" or
> > "Block", there is no "Always Allow" option as someone previously stated. I
> > have never gotten anything to show up in "Allowed Items", but have allowed
> > four items daily or more frequent as these same four which I want to allow
> > keep coming back. HOW DO YOU GET ANYTHING TO SHOW UP IN "ALLOWED ITEMS"?????
> >
> > Also, this makes a very long history, which I periodically have to clear
> > because it take so long for it to come up.
> >
> > "Mr Cat" wrote:
> >
> > > No, I am not saying that non-known programs will always pop up. Programs
> > > that make changes (as determined by the real time agents) may pop up (the
> > > actual pop up is controlled by the real time protection options). The
> > > exclusion capability under Advanced options works for both scans and real
> > > time protection. I can only provide a description of how Windows Defender
> > > behaves. I have no control, other than my own personal suggestions in this
> > > newsgroup, over design or functionality issues.
> > >
> > > "Lars-Erik Østerud" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mr Cat wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Windows Defender doesn't provide an "Always Allow" option for real time
> > > > > protection. However, you can circumvent the issue by customizing real time
> > > >
> > > > So you are saying that non-known programs will always pop up?
> > > > Then Windows Defender (as of to day) is only an annoyance :-(
> > > > I use lots of programs that are non MS certified yet :-(
> > > >
> > > > > protection options (Tools->Options). Alternatively, under Advanced options,
> > > > > you can specify folders for the startup applications so that you will not be
> > > > > prompted.
> > > >
> > > > But aren't these locations and files only for the on-demand scan?
> > > > Or is it just the text above the exlusion box that is misleading.
> > > >
> > > > > You do not explicity specify "Allowed items". After you do a scan and
> > > > > Windows Defender finds suspected malware, you have the option to specify
> > > > > "Always Allow". If you do so, then the items will appear under "Allowed
> > > >
> > > > OK, but the startup programs does not show as malware during a scan,
> > > > so that is not the way. I think it is very strange that when it tells
> > > > you about new startup programs and ask for your choice - it still does
> > > > not remember that. Should be a "Remember this program" choice there.
> > > >
> > > > > items" and will not appear in subsequent scans until you "remove" the items
> > > > > from "Allowed items".
> > > >
> > > > Why isn't there "Add" and "Remove" buttons for the allowed list under
> > > > "Tools -> Allowed Items"? That would be so much more intuitive...
> > > > --
> > > > Lars-Erik - http://home.chello.no/~larse/ - ICQ 7297605
> > > >