Daniel,

If you are interested in contacting Nick Pateman directly, his personal web
page is here:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/nickpatemanpwp/

and his direct email address is: (E-Mail Removed)

You can also IM him on AIM at: furkinfedup

Aside from attempting to post to newsgroups anonymously, he describes
himself as a 22 year old currently living on the South Coast of England




"Daniel O'Connell [C# MVP]" <onyxkirx@--NOSPAM--comcast.net> wrote in
message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "Nak" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>>> While I appreciate that you are rather fervent about this, you are
>>> really starting to push the point here. Up to this point I have seen no
>>> behaviour by Jungle Creatures outside of supporting their product(and
>>> suggesting it when people ask about decompilers).
>>
>> Not that I ever denied that, I just absolutly hate that method of
>> advertising and that is what I percieved it to be. That isn't what the
>> newsgroup was intended for. If by any chance it wasn't a sales push then
>> as mr "Vortex" is a possible client or end user of JungleCreatures /
>> Decompiler.NET, they should conduct their chit chat elsewhere. This
>> isn't a forum for JungleCreatues to offer support on their products is
>> it?
>>
>
> Not per se, however it *is* a forum for support and discussion of the
> framework, and in some cases supporting a tool related to the framework is
> appropriate. Mr. Pierce, in my experiance, has not posted outside of that
> particular set of rules.
>
>>> Your comments on this thread have been inappropriate, as have several
>>> others(CJ Taylor and Brian Henry come to mind), and you comprise what I
>>> would consider those who should go away, atleast from this thread.
>>
>> Yup, my comments can be *very* inappropriate at times, but I am not
>> leaving this newsgroup, I've been here long enough now and respect many
>> of the hard working participants. Just because I am not an MVP, or CJ or
>> Brian, that is the only reason you are making this statement, which
>> personally I believe to be unfair. But expected from an MVP, no offence
>> but sometimes they can get a little too authorative, the status doesnt
>> come with a uniform does it?
>
> No, there is no uniform. There are nifty lapel pins and an ID card though.
>
> Actually, authoritarian behaviour isn't uncommon among MVP's, however it
> is not because they *are* mvps, but because before becoming mvp's they
> were highly community minded, including trying to contain the spread of
> falsehoods. Most are a little less heavy handed than I am, however.
>
> Also, for the record, I'll bring this up with anyone who behaves like
> this. You aren't the first, and I doubt the last, who I will call out for
> such behavior. An MVP label(or even an MSFT one) isn't going to deter me
> from that.
> MVP's tend *not* to start these kind of issues, but they are certainly not
> immune.
>
> I personally think your behaviour has been rank and that you don't deserve
> a terrible amount of respect from your posts. They are inflamatory,
> uncalled for, and intolerably rude.
>>
>> Believe it or not, I am a regular of this group and do not always get
>> irate by this kind of thing, but sometimes I do. If *you* don't like
>> what you read, put it in your "block list".
>>
>
> I am well aware you are a regular, but that doesn't excuse you from
> behaving badly.
>
> And, for what its worth, I don't use a block list. Everyone has a right to
> have their say and to deal with the feedback from it. You are welcome to
> continue with your harrasement, I certainly can't stop you, but I
> certainly am not going to bow out while you act up. I will say, when I
> feel it is appropriate, my thoughts on your posts.
>
>>> The original poster is frustrating, to be sure, but you are being just
>>> as bad. This is not a forum for conspiracy theories or for bashing other
>>> people, even if they make a product you don't care for.
>>
>> Oh well, pots and kettles, but you are not the referee, so there is no
>> need to start blowing your whistle.
>>
>
> Nor is there a need for you to harrass people. Live with it.
>
>

LOL!

And, your point is?

Nick.

"Nak" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:s2Y1d.37485$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Daniel,
>
> If you are interested in contacting Nick Pateman directly, his personal
> web page is here:
>
> http://members.lycos.co.uk/nickpatemanpwp/
>
> and his direct email address is: (E-Mail Removed)
>
> You can also IM him on AIM at: furkinfedup
>
> Aside from attempting to post to newsgroups anonymously, he describes
> himself as a 22 year old currently living on the South Coast of England
>
>
>
>
> "Daniel O'Connell [C# MVP]" <onyxkirx@--NOSPAM--comcast.net> wrote in
> message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>> "Nak" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>
>>>> While I appreciate that you are rather fervent about this, you are
>>>> really starting to push the point here. Up to this point I have seen no
>>>> behaviour by Jungle Creatures outside of supporting their product(and
>>>> suggesting it when people ask about decompilers).
>>>
>>> Not that I ever denied that, I just absolutly hate that method of
>>> advertising and that is what I percieved it to be. That isn't what the
>>> newsgroup was intended for. If by any chance it wasn't a sales push
>>> then as mr "Vortex" is a possible client or end user of JungleCreatures
>>> / Decompiler.NET, they should conduct their chit chat elsewhere. This
>>> isn't a forum for JungleCreatues to offer support on their products is
>>> it?
>>>
>>
>> Not per se, however it *is* a forum for support and discussion of the
>> framework, and in some cases supporting a tool related to the framework
>> is appropriate. Mr. Pierce, in my experiance, has not posted outside of
>> that particular set of rules.
>>
>>>> Your comments on this thread have been inappropriate, as have several
>>>> others(CJ Taylor and Brian Henry come to mind), and you comprise what I
>>>> would consider those who should go away, atleast from this thread.
>>>
>>> Yup, my comments can be *very* inappropriate at times, but I am not
>>> leaving this newsgroup, I've been here long enough now and respect many
>>> of the hard working participants. Just because I am not an MVP, or CJ
>>> or Brian, that is the only reason you are making this statement, which
>>> personally I believe to be unfair. But expected from an MVP, no offence
>>> but sometimes they can get a little too authorative, the status doesnt
>>> come with a uniform does it?
>>
>> No, there is no uniform. There are nifty lapel pins and an ID card
>> though.
>>
>> Actually, authoritarian behaviour isn't uncommon among MVP's, however it
>> is not because they *are* mvps, but because before becoming mvp's they
>> were highly community minded, including trying to contain the spread of
>> falsehoods. Most are a little less heavy handed than I am, however.
>>
>> Also, for the record, I'll bring this up with anyone who behaves like
>> this. You aren't the first, and I doubt the last, who I will call out for
>> such behavior. An MVP label(or even an MSFT one) isn't going to deter me
>> from that.
>> MVP's tend *not* to start these kind of issues, but they are certainly
>> not immune.
>>
>> I personally think your behaviour has been rank and that you don't
>> deserve a terrible amount of respect from your posts. They are
>> inflamatory, uncalled for, and intolerably rude.
>>>
>>> Believe it or not, I am a regular of this group and do not always get
>>> irate by this kind of thing, but sometimes I do. If *you* don't like
>>> what you read, put it in your "block list".
>>>
>>
>> I am well aware you are a regular, but that doesn't excuse you from
>> behaving badly.
>>
>> And, for what its worth, I don't use a block list. Everyone has a right
>> to have their say and to deal with the feedback from it. You are welcome
>> to continue with your harrasement, I certainly can't stop you, but I
>> certainly am not going to bow out while you act up. I will say, when I
>> feel it is appropriate, my thoughts on your posts.
>>
>>>> The original poster is frustrating, to be sure, but you are being just
>>>> as bad. This is not a forum for conspiracy theories or for bashing
>>>> other people, even if they make a product you don't care for.
>>>
>>> Oh well, pots and kettles, but you are not the referee, so there is
>>> no need to start blowing your whistle.
>>>
>>
>> Nor is there a need for you to harrass people. Live with it.
>>
>>
>
>

Nick,

I understand the reasoning behind using a false email address to avoid
receiving spam, but there is no point in attempting to hide your identity
when making inappropriate comments as Daniel described since often
relatively easy to ascertain the true identity of the author of posted
messages by users using an alias to conceal their true identity. Posting
anonymously also detracts from your credibility for usets who read the
contents of your posts.

Nak

"Nak" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> LOL!
>
> And, your point is?
>
> Nick.
>
> "Nak" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:s2Y1d.37485$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Daniel,
>>
>> If you are interested in contacting Nick Pateman directly, his personal
>> web page is here:
>>
>> http://members.lycos.co.uk/nickpatemanpwp/
>>
>> and his direct email address is: (E-Mail Removed)
>>
>> You can also IM him on AIM at: furkinfedup
>>
>> Aside from attempting to post to newsgroups anonymously, he describes
>> himself as a 22 year old currently living on the South Coast of England
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Daniel O'Connell [C# MVP]" <onyxkirx@--NOSPAM--comcast.net> wrote in
>> message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>
>>> "Nak" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>
>>>>> While I appreciate that you are rather fervent about this, you are
>>>>> really starting to push the point here. Up to this point I have seen
>>>>> no behaviour by Jungle Creatures outside of supporting their
>>>>> product(and suggesting it when people ask about decompilers).
>>>>
>>>> Not that I ever denied that, I just absolutly hate that method of
>>>> advertising and that is what I percieved it to be. That isn't what the
>>>> newsgroup was intended for. If by any chance it wasn't a sales push
>>>> then as mr "Vortex" is a possible client or end user of JungleCreatures
>>>> / Decompiler.NET, they should conduct their chit chat elsewhere. This
>>>> isn't a forum for JungleCreatues to offer support on their products is
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not per se, however it *is* a forum for support and discussion of the
>>> framework, and in some cases supporting a tool related to the framework
>>> is appropriate. Mr. Pierce, in my experiance, has not posted outside of
>>> that particular set of rules.
>>>
>>>>> Your comments on this thread have been inappropriate, as have several
>>>>> others(CJ Taylor and Brian Henry come to mind), and you comprise what
>>>>> I would consider those who should go away, atleast from this thread.
>>>>
>>>> Yup, my comments can be *very* inappropriate at times, but I am not
>>>> leaving this newsgroup, I've been here long enough now and respect many
>>>> of the hard working participants. Just because I am not an MVP, or CJ
>>>> or Brian, that is the only reason you are making this statement, which
>>>> personally I believe to be unfair. But expected from an MVP, no
>>>> offence but sometimes they can get a little too authorative, the status
>>>> doesnt come with a uniform does it?
>>>
>>> No, there is no uniform. There are nifty lapel pins and an ID card
>>> though.
>>>
>>> Actually, authoritarian behaviour isn't uncommon among MVP's, however it
>>> is not because they *are* mvps, but because before becoming mvp's they
>>> were highly community minded, including trying to contain the spread of
>>> falsehoods. Most are a little less heavy handed than I am, however.
>>>
>>> Also, for the record, I'll bring this up with anyone who behaves like
>>> this. You aren't the first, and I doubt the last, who I will call out
>>> for such behavior. An MVP label(or even an MSFT one) isn't going to
>>> deter me from that.
>>> MVP's tend *not* to start these kind of issues, but they are certainly
>>> not immune.
>>>
>>> I personally think your behaviour has been rank and that you don't
>>> deserve a terrible amount of respect from your posts. They are
>>> inflamatory, uncalled for, and intolerably rude.
>>>>
>>>> Believe it or not, I am a regular of this group and do not always
>>>> get irate by this kind of thing, but sometimes I do. If *you* don't
>>>> like what you read, put it in your "block list".
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am well aware you are a regular, but that doesn't excuse you from
>>> behaving badly.
>>>
>>> And, for what its worth, I don't use a block list. Everyone has a right
>>> to have their say and to deal with the feedback from it. You are welcome
>>> to continue with your harrasement, I certainly can't stop you, but I
>>> certainly am not going to bow out while you act up. I will say, when I
>>> feel it is appropriate, my thoughts on your posts.
>>>
>>>>> The original poster is frustrating, to be sure, but you are being just
>>>>> as bad. This is not a forum for conspiracy theories or for bashing
>>>>> other people, even if they make a product you don't care for.
>>>>
>>>> Oh well, pots and kettles, but you are not the referee, so there is
>>>> no need to start blowing your whistle.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nor is there a need for you to harrass people. Live with it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Daniel,

And I find Nick so extremly nice writing at the moment, I was in doubt if it
was Nick, however now he wrote he is Nick Patterman, it should be him.

You should have seen his post previous year that was really top flaming
especialy when he did it with his mate.

:-)

Cor

> And I find Nick so extremly nice writing at the moment, I was in doubt if
> it
> was Nick, however now he wrote he is Nick Patterman, it should be him.
>
You may have been correct in your original intuition.

Perhaps Nick's true identity was exposed by someone who wanted to make him
accountable for his inappropriate posts where he attempted to conceal his
true identity. His postings this year seem to be consistent with your
observations regarding his style of flaming and overall disposition.

Nak

Hi Cor,

> And I find Nick so extremly nice writing at the moment, I was in doubt if
> it
> was Nick, however now he wrote he is Nick Patterman, it should be him.

I haven't been 100% nice in this thread, and have no intention of
starting. Yes that is my email address and web site, but I'm unsure as to
*why* it has been posted. Obviously someone with allot of spare time on
their hands, "as if I don't know who".

> You should have seen his post previous year that was really top flaming
> especialy when he did it with his mate.

I have strong views just the same as everyone else, and last year their
were some heated discussions being has as I was developing software 24/7.
It gets to you at times when your not having much luck with whatever your
currently working on.

Also, I have posted a complaint to (E-Mail Removed), if that's the
correct address. Apparently these groups are moderated by MVP's, so if any
of them were half decent they would have that post removed for me. And
believe me, I would be greatly appreciative, I would never go on a mission
to do that to anyone else, why do that to me? Pah, very sad! Anyways.

Nick.

"Nak" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...

Nick,

It may not be in your best interest to request that moderators review your
posts since many of them are inappropriate and often inconsistent with their
posting guidelines.

>
> Also, I have posted a complaint to (E-Mail Removed), if that's the
> correct address. Apparently these groups are moderated by MVP's, so if
> any of them were half decent they would have that post removed for me.
> And believe me, I would be greatly appreciative,

>I would never go on a mission
> to do that to anyone else, why do that to me? Pah, very sad! Anyways.
>

I doubt that moderators are interested in assisting you in concealing your
identity so that you can continue to make inappropriate posts inconsistent
with their posting guidelines.
If you have strong opinions, you should be willing to stand behind them by
identifying yourself rather than making unsupported claims that you do not
wish to be held accountable for.

Nak

Excuse me ?,

> I understand the reasoning behind using a false email address to avoid
> receiving spam, but there is no point in attempting to hide your identity
> when making inappropriate comments as Daniel described since often
> relatively easy to ascertain the true identity of the author of posted
> messages by users using an alias to conceal their true identity. Posting
> anonymously also detracts from your credibility for usets who read the
> contents of your posts.

I am *not* hiding my identity and never have, I have no need for my
email address in here, I have posted my web address in here many times and
if anyone wanted to find out about me they need only go visit it.

I don't believe you have the right to post my details, do you? But
whatever, you have done it now anyway, and that is far worse than any
flaming I have done in this newsgroup. It not only violates the data
protections act but it is also a very sly thing to do. But you're obviously
a very sly person because your consealing your identity far more than *I*
ever have, or have any desire to.

By the way, I don't post for credability, I post for resolving problems,
and sometimes to help others if I see that they are stick with something
that I can help with. But I have no intention of building up "credit" so
that I can apply for MVP status, that is something I do not care for.

Nick.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have ourselves a Troll!, oh deary me!

Nick.

"Nak" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:TrY1d.118406$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>> And I find Nick so extremly nice writing at the moment, I was in doubt if
>> it
>> was Nick, however now he wrote he is Nick Patterman, it should be him.
>>
> You may have been correct in your original intuition.
>
> Perhaps Nick's true identity was exposed by someone who wanted to make him
> accountable for his inappropriate posts where he attempted to conceal his
> true identity. His postings this year seem to be consistent with your
> observations regarding his style of flaming and overall disposition.
>
> Nak
>

Anyone else confused?

"Nak" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi Cor,
>
> > And I find Nick so extremly nice writing at the moment, I was in doubt
if
> > it
> > was Nick, however now he wrote he is Nick Patterman, it should be him.
>
> I haven't been 100% nice in this thread, and have no intention of
> starting. Yes that is my email address and web site, but I'm unsure as to
> *why* it has been posted. Obviously someone with allot of spare time on
> their hands, "as if I don't know who".
>
> > You should have seen his post previous year that was really top flaming
> > especialy when he did it with his mate.
>
> I have strong views just the same as everyone else, and last year
their
> were some heated discussions being has as I was developing software 24/7.
> It gets to you at times when your not having much luck with whatever your
> currently working on.
>
> Also, I have posted a complaint to (E-Mail Removed), if that's the
> correct address. Apparently these groups are moderated by MVP's, so if
any
> of them were half decent they would have that post removed for me. And
> believe me, I would be greatly appreciative, I would never go on a mission
> to do that to anyone else, why do that to me? Pah, very sad! Anyways.
>
> Nick.
>
>