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Andy Spencer
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      13th May 2004
I am creating my first DC from an unattended CD and once I come up I'm
calling a script to promote it. I want to create a DNS structure with
a private root, where my FQDN is something like:

MyDom.MyLocation.MyCompany.net

At this point I have an isolated network and will never attach the
domain to the Internet. Some day I hope to combine the domains into a
large forest so that there are child domains under MyCompany.net, but
that will be much later.

My DCPromo answer file creates a DNS server on my one and only DC with
my (AD Integrated) zone, but the structure isn't what I expected.
What is created looks like:

DNS
--FirstDC
..--Forward Zones
..--_msdcs.MyDom.MyLocation.MyCompany.net
....+-dc
....+-domains
....+-gc
....+-pdc
..--MyDom.MyLocation.MyCompany.net
....--_msdcs
....+-_sites
....+-_tcp
....+-_udp
....+-DomainDNSZones
....+-ForestDNSZones
..+-Reverse Zones

To make this a private root I also (later after the dcpromo) create a
forward zone of '.'. While the domain works, I don't beleive this is
correct and I get an error from dnslint saying that one of my zones
isn't authoritative. I don't see this structure when I hand build
DNS.

I'm concerned because I'm having access problems getting to sysvol
(events 1058 & 1030).

Can someone help me in regards to:
- Is this a problem or not?
- Anyone else seen this structure w/ DCPromo & autoanswer?
- Is there a scriptabile way to move the _msdcs structure back under
the domain?


TIA - Andy
 
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Ace Fekay [MVP]
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      14th May 2004
In news:(E-Mail Removed),
Andy Spencer <(E-Mail Removed)> posted their thoughts, then I offered
mine
> I am creating my first DC from an unattended CD and once I come up I'm
> calling a script to promote it. I want to create a DNS structure with
> a private root, where my FQDN is something like:
>
> MyDom.MyLocation.MyCompany.net
>
> At this point I have an isolated network and will never attach the
> domain to the Internet. Some day I hope to combine the domains into a
> large forest so that there are child domains under MyCompany.net, but
> that will be much later.
>
> My DCPromo answer file creates a DNS server on my one and only DC with
> my (AD Integrated) zone, but the structure isn't what I expected.
> What is created looks like:
>
> DNS
> --FirstDC
> .--Forward Zones
> .--_msdcs.MyDom.MyLocation.MyCompany.net
> ...+-dc
> ...+-domains
> ...+-gc
> ...+-pdc
> .--MyDom.MyLocation.MyCompany.net
> ...--_msdcs
> ...+-_sites
> ...+-_tcp
> ...+-_udp
> ...+-DomainDNSZones
> ...+-ForestDNSZones
> .+-Reverse Zones
>
> To make this a private root I also (later after the dcpromo) create a
> forward zone of '.'. While the domain works, I don't beleive this is
> correct and I get an error from dnslint saying that one of my zones
> isn't authoritative. I don't see this structure when I hand build
> DNS.
>
> I'm concerned because I'm having access problems getting to sysvol
> (events 1058 & 1030).
>
> Can someone help me in regards to:
> - Is this a problem or not?
> - Anyone else seen this structure w/ DCPromo & autoanswer?
> - Is there a scriptabile way to move the _msdcs structure back under
> the domain?
>
>
> TIA - Andy



If this is W2k3, you don't want to move the _msdcs zone under the domain.
This is the way it sets it up and the way it should be.

For the 1058, look for Jeff's and Tobias' comments:
http://www.eventid.net/display.asp?e...serenv&phase=1

For the 1030, look at Daniel's comments and make sure no services are turned
off, such as the DHCP Client service and the DFS service:
http://www.eventid.net/display.asp?e...serenv&phase=1

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Regards,
Ace

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This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties and confers no
rights.

Ace Fekay, MCSE 2000, MCSE+I, MCSA, MCT, MVP
Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory

HAM AND EGGS: A day's work for a chicken; A lifetime commitment for a
pig. --
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Andy Spencer
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      14th May 2004
Thanks Ace! I'll go over these articles again. I'd checked out the
article on 1058 previously and didn't get anywhere but I'll look
again. My DC is multi-homed and that might be the cause, but the
articles I've reviewed so far didn't give me the feeling that there
was a clear answer (yet). I suspected DNS because the problem starts
to occur several hours after a reboot. (PurgeMUP didn't help). First
you can do a dir on:
- \\mydomain.mylocn.myco.net\sysvol
- \\mydomain\sysvol
- \\Server\sysvol
but after awhile you get the error from #1, then still later #2 fails
and only \\Server\sysvol works. The error is:
Configuration information could not be read from the domain
controller, either because the machine is unavailable, or access has
been denied.

Given this I suspected DNS (thinking it was getting the wrong NIC) and
because dnslint gives warnings. The lint error looks like:

DNSLint Report

System Date: Fri May 14 08:52:48 2004

Command run:

dnslint -d MyDomain -s 152.221.200.57

Domain name tested:

MyDomain

The following 1 DNS servers were identified as authoritative for the
domain:

DNS server: Server.MyDomain.locn.Co.net
IP Address: 152.221.200.57
UDP port 53 responding to queries: YES
TCP port 53 responding to queries: Not tested
Answering authoritatively for domain: YES

This DNS server may be a root server as it answered authoritatively,
but DNS records for the specified domain did not exist on the server.

SOA record data from server:
Authoritative name server: Unknown
Hostmaster: Unknown
Zone serial number: Unknown
Zone expires in: Unknown
Refresh period: Unknown
Retry delay: Unknown
Default (minimum) TTL: Unknown




"Ace Fekay [MVP]" <PleaseSubstituteMyActualFirstName&(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<(E-Mail Removed)>...
> In news:(E-Mail Removed),
> Andy Spencer <(E-Mail Removed)> posted their thoughts, then I offered
> mine
> > I am creating my first DC from an unattended CD and once I come up I'm
> > calling a script to promote it. I want to create a DNS structure with
> > a private root, where my FQDN is something like:
> >
> > MyDom.MyLocation.MyCompany.net
> >
> > At this point I have an isolated network and will never attach the
> > domain to the Internet. Some day I hope to combine the domains into a
> > large forest so that there are child domains under MyCompany.net, but
> > that will be much later.
> >
> > My DCPromo answer file creates a DNS server on my one and only DC with
> > my (AD Integrated) zone, but the structure isn't what I expected.
> > What is created looks like:
> >
> > DNS
> > --FirstDC
> > .--Forward Zones
> > .--_msdcs.MyDom.MyLocation.MyCompany.net
> > ...+-dc
> > ...+-domains
> > ...+-gc
> > ...+-pdc
> > .--MyDom.MyLocation.MyCompany.net
> > ...--_msdcs
> > ...+-_sites
> > ...+-_tcp
> > ...+-_udp
> > ...+-DomainDNSZones
> > ...+-ForestDNSZones
> > .+-Reverse Zones
> >
> > To make this a private root I also (later after the dcpromo) create a
> > forward zone of '.'. While the domain works, I don't beleive this is
> > correct and I get an error from dnslint saying that one of my zones
> > isn't authoritative. I don't see this structure when I hand build
> > DNS.
> >
> > I'm concerned because I'm having access problems getting to sysvol
> > (events 1058 & 1030).
> >
> > Can someone help me in regards to:
> > - Is this a problem or not?
> > - Anyone else seen this structure w/ DCPromo & autoanswer?
> > - Is there a scriptabile way to move the _msdcs structure back under
> > the domain?
> >
> >
> > TIA - Andy

>
>
> If this is W2k3, you don't want to move the _msdcs zone under the domain.
> This is the way it sets it up and the way it should be.
>
> For the 1058, look for Jeff's and Tobias' comments:
> http://www.eventid.net/display.asp?e...serenv&phase=1
>
> For the 1030, look at Daniel's comments and make sure no services are turned
> off, such as the DHCP Client service and the DFS service:
> http://www.eventid.net/display.asp?e...serenv&phase=1
>
> --
> Regards,
> Ace
>
> Please direct all replies to the newsgroup so all can benefit.
> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties and confers no
> rights.
>
> Ace Fekay, MCSE 2000, MCSE+I, MCSA, MCT, MVP
> Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory
>
> HAM AND EGGS: A day's work for a chicken; A lifetime commitment for a
> pig. --
> =================================

 
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Ace Fekay [MVP]
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      15th May 2004
In news:(E-Mail Removed),
Andy Spencer <(E-Mail Removed)> posted their thoughts, then I offered
mine
> Thanks Ace! I'll go over these articles again. I'd checked out the
> article on 1058 previously and didn't get anywhere but I'll look
> again. My DC is multi-homed and that might be the cause, but the
> articles I've reviewed so far didn't give me the feeling that there
> was a clear answer (yet). I suspected DNS because the problem starts
> to occur several hours after a reboot. (PurgeMUP didn't help). First
> you can do a dir on:
> - \\mydomain.mylocn.myco.net\sysvol
> - \\mydomain\sysvol
> - \\Server\sysvol
> but after awhile you get the error from #1, then still later #2 fails
> and only \\Server\sysvol works. The error is:
> Configuration information could not be read from the domain
> controller, either because the machine is unavailable, or access has
> been denied.
>
> Given this I suspected DNS (thinking it was getting the wrong NIC) and
> because dnslint gives warnings. The lint error looks like:
>
> DNSLint Report
>
> System Date: Fri May 14 08:52:48 2004
>
> Command run:
>
> dnslint -d MyDomain -s 152.221.200.57
>
> Domain name tested:
>
> MyDomain
>
> The following 1 DNS servers were identified as authoritative for the
> domain:
>
> DNS server: Server.MyDomain.locn.Co.net
> IP Address: 152.221.200.57
> UDP port 53 responding to queries: YES
> TCP port 53 responding to queries: Not tested
> Answering authoritatively for domain: YES
>
> This DNS server may be a root server as it answered authoritatively,
> but DNS records for the specified domain did not exist on the server.
>
> SOA record data from server:
> Authoritative name server: Unknown
> Hostmaster: Unknown
> Zone serial number: Unknown
> Zone expires in: Unknown
> Refresh period: Unknown
> Retry delay: Unknown
> Default (minimum) TTL: Unknown
>
>
>
>
> "Ace Fekay [MVP]"
> <PleaseSubstituteMyActualFirstName&(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message news:<(E-Mail Removed)>...
>> In news:(E-Mail Removed),
>> Andy Spencer <(E-Mail Removed)> posted their thoughts, then I
>> offered
>> mine
>>> I am creating my first DC from an unattended CD and once I come up
>>> I'm
>>> calling a script to promote it. I want to create a DNS structure
>>> with
>>> a private root, where my FQDN is something like:
>>>
>>> MyDom.MyLocation.MyCompany.net
>>>
>>> At this point I have an isolated network and will never attach the
>>> domain to the Internet. Some day I hope to combine the domains
>>> into a
>>> large forest so that there are child domains under MyCompany.net,
>>> but
>>> that will be much later.
>>>
>>> My DCPromo answer file creates a DNS server on my one and only DC
>>> with
>>> my (AD Integrated) zone, but the structure isn't what I expected.
>>> What is created looks like:
>>>
>>> DNS
>>> --FirstDC
>>> .--Forward Zones
>>> .--_msdcs.MyDom.MyLocation.MyCompany.net
>>> ...+-dc
>>> ...+-domains
>>> ...+-gc
>>> ...+-pdc
>>> .--MyDom.MyLocation.MyCompany.net
>>> ...--_msdcs
>>> ...+-_sites
>>> ...+-_tcp
>>> ...+-_udp
>>> ...+-DomainDNSZones
>>> ...+-ForestDNSZones
>>> .+-Reverse Zones
>>>
>>> To make this a private root I also (later after the dcpromo) create
>>> a
>>> forward zone of '.'. While the domain works, I don't beleive this
>>> is
>>> correct and I get an error from dnslint saying that one of my zones
>>> isn't authoritative. I don't see this structure when I hand build
>>> DNS.
>>>
>>> I'm concerned because I'm having access problems getting to sysvol
>>> (events 1058 & 1030).
>>>
>>> Can someone help me in regards to:
>>> - Is this a problem or not?
>>> - Anyone else seen this structure w/ DCPromo & autoanswer?
>>> - Is there a scriptabile way to move the _msdcs structure back
>>> under
>>> the domain?
>>>
>>>
>>> TIA - Andy

>>
>>
>> If this is W2k3, you don't want to move the _msdcs zone under the
>> domain.
>> This is the way it sets it up and the way it should be.
>>
>> For the 1058, look for Jeff's and Tobias' comments:
>>

http://www.eventid.net/display.asp?e...serenv&phase=1
>>
>> For the 1030, look at Daniel's comments and make sure no services
>> are turned
>> off, such as the DHCP Client service and the DFS service:
>>

http://www.eventid.net/display.asp?e...serenv&phase=1
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Ace
>>
>> Please direct all replies to the newsgroup so all can benefit.
>> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties and confers no
>> rights.
>>
>> Ace Fekay, MCSE 2000, MCSE+I, MCSA, MCT, MVP
>> Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory
>>
>> HAM AND EGGS: A day's work for a chicken; A lifetime commitment for a
>> pig. --
>> =================================



Multihomed DNS/DC/RRAS machines ARE VERY PROBLEMATIC. I would suggest to use
a just a plain jane vanilla member server is you are multihoming for
Internet access for your network, or just get a Linksys, Cisco PIX ,
Netgear, etc, to perform that.

THere are a few registry entries that you need to utilize to fix this. I can
post them, but it is extra extra administrative overhead to take care of
this.

--
Regards,
Ace

Please direct all replies to the newsgroup so all can benefit.
This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties and confers no
rights.

Ace Fekay, MCSE 2000, MCSE+I, MCSA, MCT, MVP
Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory

HAM AND EGGS: A day's work for a chicken; A lifetime commitment for a
pig. --
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