Bob I,

I think that your reply is poor and pointless at best. When someone is
looking for a solution to a problem, it is widely accepted to post messages
of this nature. Perhaps, a better approach for you to take would have been
to either (1) answer the original question; or (2), simply not reply with
such an arrogant response. Understand that being helpful to others does not
make you weak.

BTW, jlucpicard, our organization too am experiencing the same problem.

"Bob I" wrote:

> No, by posting in this thread, all you did was introduce noise into THIS
> thread. IF you were truly aware as claimed, you wouldn't have done that.
>
> jlucpicard wrote:
> > I realize this isn't a chat room. My intention for my post was to indicate
> > my problem persisted after performing the steps outlined in the thread. My
> > only mistake was not stating this more clearly. My hope was that I would
> > possibly get further suggestions on how to correct the issue. What I didn't
> > expect was to be provided discussion group ettiquete of which I'm well aware.
> >
> > "Bob I" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hi, this isn't a chat room. The answer to your problem is in your thread.
> >>
> >>jlucpicard wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I have a similar problem, but only on SOME of my appointments. It seems as
> >>>if recurring appointments were updated to the correct time, but individual
> >>>appointments weren't. This is sure frustrating.
> >>>
> >>>"Bob I" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Should, but the proof is in the results. I was thinking there was also
> >>>>an earlier Windows XP patch, but you may have already put it on.
> >>>>
> >>>>WendyD wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I haven't yet, as I didn't have this phone in 2008 (or Outlook 2007). Since
> >>>>>posting this, I did guess that my issues probably date back to 2008. Do you
> >>>>>know of an exact location where I could find the patches? I did find a few
> >>>>>locations on Microsoft's site, but am not sure they're the right ones. Here
> >>>>>are 2 I was looking at:
> >>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en,
> >>>>>and http://support.microsoft.com/gp/cp_dst. Should these suffice?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Bob I" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Did you install all of the DST patches for your operating system?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>WendyD wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Ever since the daylight savings time change this past Sat/Sun, all my Outlook
> >>>>>>>calendar items are wrong by 1 hr. I've talked with both AT&T (provider) and
> >>>>>>>HTC (phone manufacturer) and none of their fixes work. We went into Outlook
> >>>>>>>on the computer and selected/unselected the "adjust for daylight savings
> >>>>>>>time" box, shutdown/restarted the computer, synched and resynched my phone,
> >>>>>>>etc, etc, but to no avail. Is anyone else experiencing this problem... is
> >>>>>>>Microsoft planning a patch for this issue? AT&T's answer was that I would
> >>>>>>>need to manually adjust all my calendar appointments every time this happens
> >>>>>>>(ie, every 6 months). I don't plan on doing that, so am hoping it's an
> >>>>>>>Outlook issue and there will be a fix for it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
>
>

Sorry, but the issue at hand is a case of thread jumping and in this
case your post is, to use your term "poor and pointless at best". Wendy
was in this thread receiving assistance on her issue, while "jlucpicard"
was receiving assistance in his own thread only caused by a different
issue and having different symptoms. He merely added noise and confuses
the issue, much like that which you have now repeated. And WHICH same
problem are you experiencing? Wendys'? Or "jlucpicard"s? Perhaps it is
a noise problem. As to solving your "same problem" the answer is either
in this thread if you are the same as "Wendy" or the other one if you
are the same as "jlucpicard". So now I'll leave you to pick and apply
the correct solution to your "same problem".




OliverB wrote:

> Bob I,
>
> I think that your reply is poor and pointless at best. When someone is
> looking for a solution to a problem, it is widely accepted to post messages
> of this nature. Perhaps, a better approach for you to take would have been
> to either (1) answer the original question; or (2), simply not reply with
> such an arrogant response. Understand that being helpful to others does not
> make you weak.
>
> BTW, jlucpicard, our organization too am experiencing the same problem.
>
> "Bob I" wrote:
>
>
>>No, by posting in this thread, all you did was introduce noise into THIS
>>thread. IF you were truly aware as claimed, you wouldn't have done that.
>>
>>jlucpicard wrote:
>>
>>>I realize this isn't a chat room. My intention for my post was to indicate
>>>my problem persisted after performing the steps outlined in the thread. My
>>>only mistake was not stating this more clearly. My hope was that I would
>>>possibly get further suggestions on how to correct the issue. What I didn't
>>>expect was to be provided discussion group ettiquete of which I'm well aware.
>>>
>>>"Bob I" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi, this isn't a chat room. The answer to your problem is in your thread.
>>>>
>>>>jlucpicard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I have a similar problem, but only on SOME of my appointments. It seems as
>>>>>if recurring appointments were updated to the correct time, but individual
>>>>>appointments weren't. This is sure frustrating.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Bob I" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Should, but the proof is in the results. I was thinking there was also
>>>>>>an earlier Windows XP patch, but you may have already put it on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>WendyD wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I haven't yet, as I didn't have this phone in 2008 (or Outlook 2007). Since
>>>>>>>posting this, I did guess that my issues probably date back to 2008. Do you
>>>>>>>know of an exact location where I could find the patches? I did find a few
>>>>>>>locations on Microsoft's site, but am not sure they're the right ones. Here
>>>>>>>are 2 I was looking at:
>>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en,
>>>>>>>and http://support.microsoft.com/gp/cp_dst. Should these suffice?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Bob I" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Did you install all of the DST patches for your operating system?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>WendyD wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ever since the daylight savings time change this past Sat/Sun, all my Outlook
>>>>>>>>>calendar items are wrong by 1 hr. I've talked with both AT&T (provider) and
>>>>>>>>>HTC (phone manufacturer) and none of their fixes work. We went into Outlook
>>>>>>>>>on the computer and selected/unselected the "adjust for daylight savings
>>>>>>>>>time" box, shutdown/restarted the computer, synched and resynched my phone,
>>>>>>>>>etc, etc, but to no avail. Is anyone else experiencing this problem... is
>>>>>>>>>Microsoft planning a patch for this issue? AT&T's answer was that I would
>>>>>>>>>need to manually adjust all my calendar appointments every time this happens
>>>>>>>>>(ie, every 6 months). I don't plan on doing that, so am hoping it's an
>>>>>>>>>Outlook issue and there will be a fix for it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>

Bob I,

My apologies to WendyD. I failed to acknowledge her in my post. I realize
that this mistake on my part may have been quite confusing to you so I will
indulge myself and clarify to you Bob I.

The symptom our organization is experiencing revolves around Outlook and
Daylight Savings Time (DST). In WendyD's original post, she specifies that
*all* her calendar items are off by 1 hr. In the case of jlucpicard, *some*
of his appointments are off by 1 hr. Not sure about, Bob I, but in my mind,
these appear to be similar symptoms, and; probably caused by the same
problem. If it is still not clear to you, BOTH of these persons are seeking
information on a problem which quite obviously revolves around DST.
Hopefully, we can agree on this.

Now, to answer your question, I am looking for a solution to a problem that
is very similar to what both (WendyD and jlucpicard) commented on. In your
mind, your idea of being helpful does not seem to be inline with the general
idea of collaboration, which is the very essence of these forums.
Personally, it appears to me that you seem to be more focused on attacking
people on the basis that you dislike the idea of other people doing something
completely different than what you expect. To be more specific, what you are
doing is a form of argumentum ad hominem, which quite frankly has absolutely
no place on a site like this. Furthermore, even as I made my comment to you,
once again your arrogance got in the way of your better judgement; and,
instead of recognizing your shortcomings, you chose to continue pointing out
meaningless things about my post. And still, providing no insight on the
issues/symptoms/comments/posts/remarks/questions/bugs/behavior/whatever at
hand.

I realize that parts of this post are probably too much for you to deal
with, so; I submit to you that you take your time and really analyze it.
Believe me, based on what little character you have displayed here (and
probably will continue to display here or elsewhere), you could use it. BTW,
apologies to all of you who are looking for help on any issues that sound
remarkably similar to whatever you have found here. WendyD or jlucpicard or
anyone else (outside of Bob I, of course), please, if you have a solution to
the symptom originally outlined by WendyD, please post it back in here. I
still need to address an issue that sounds very close to yours.

"Bob I" wrote:

> Sorry, but the issue at hand is a case of thread jumping and in this
> case your post is, to use your term "poor and pointless at best". Wendy
> was in this thread receiving assistance on her issue, while "jlucpicard"
> was receiving assistance in his own thread only caused by a different
> issue and having different symptoms. He merely added noise and confuses
> the issue, much like that which you have now repeated. And WHICH same
> problem are you experiencing? Wendys'? Or "jlucpicard"s? Perhaps it is
> a noise problem. As to solving your "same problem" the answer is either
> in this thread if you are the same as "Wendy" or the other one if you
> are the same as "jlucpicard". So now I'll leave you to pick and apply
> the correct solution to your "same problem".
>
>
>
>
> OliverB wrote:
>
> > Bob I,
> >
> > I think that your reply is poor and pointless at best. When someone is
> > looking for a solution to a problem, it is widely accepted to post messages
> > of this nature. Perhaps, a better approach for you to take would have been
> > to either (1) answer the original question; or (2), simply not reply with
> > such an arrogant response. Understand that being helpful to others does not
> > make you weak.
> >
> > BTW, jlucpicard, our organization too am experiencing the same problem.
> >
> > "Bob I" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>No, by posting in this thread, all you did was introduce noise into THIS
> >>thread. IF you were truly aware as claimed, you wouldn't have done that.
> >>
> >>jlucpicard wrote:
> >>
> >>>I realize this isn't a chat room. My intention for my post was to indicate
> >>>my problem persisted after performing the steps outlined in the thread. My
> >>>only mistake was not stating this more clearly. My hope was that I would
> >>>possibly get further suggestions on how to correct the issue. What I didn't
> >>>expect was to be provided discussion group ettiquete of which I'm well aware.
> >>>
> >>>"Bob I" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi, this isn't a chat room. The answer to your problem is in your thread.
> >>>>
> >>>>jlucpicard wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I have a similar problem, but only on SOME of my appointments. It seems as
> >>>>>if recurring appointments were updated to the correct time, but individual
> >>>>>appointments weren't. This is sure frustrating.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Bob I" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Should, but the proof is in the results. I was thinking there was also
> >>>>>>an earlier Windows XP patch, but you may have already put it on.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>WendyD wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I haven't yet, as I didn't have this phone in 2008 (or Outlook 2007). Since
> >>>>>>>posting this, I did guess that my issues probably date back to 2008. Do you
> >>>>>>>know of an exact location where I could find the patches? I did find a few
> >>>>>>>locations on Microsoft's site, but am not sure they're the right ones. Here
> >>>>>>>are 2 I was looking at:
> >>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en,
> >>>>>>>and http://support.microsoft.com/gp/cp_dst. Should these suffice?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"Bob I" wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Did you install all of the DST patches for your operating system?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>WendyD wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Ever since the daylight savings time change this past Sat/Sun, all my Outlook
> >>>>>>>>>calendar items are wrong by 1 hr. I've talked with both AT&T (provider) and
> >>>>>>>>>HTC (phone manufacturer) and none of their fixes work. We went into Outlook
> >>>>>>>>>on the computer and selected/unselected the "adjust for daylight savings
> >>>>>>>>>time" box, shutdown/restarted the computer, synched and resynched my phone,
> >>>>>>>>>etc, etc, but to no avail. Is anyone else experiencing this problem... is
> >>>>>>>>>Microsoft planning a patch for this issue? AT&T's answer was that I would
> >>>>>>>>>need to manually adjust all my calendar appointments every time this happens
> >>>>>>>>>(ie, every 6 months). I don't plan on doing that, so am hoping it's an
> >>>>>>>>>Outlook issue and there will be a fix for it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>
>
>

Standard practice in these groups is for each user to state the
particulars of their unique problem in their own thread. Otherwise it
turns into a rambling mess of contradictory symptoms. Might I suggest
you review the thread "Problems with Daylight Savings" in which
"jlucpicard" was receiving assistance. If those symptoms reflect yours
and the remedy offered corrects your issue, great. Otherwise, I suggest,
as is normal for these "tag on postings", that you start your own thread
and state your symptoms explicitly. Yes, it is related to DST, but since
SOME and ALL are not the same nor even similar, certainly not the same
cause or remedy. I hope this clarifies the situation with this closed
thread, and you will get the solution to your issue.



OliverB wrote:

> Bob I,
>
> My apologies to WendyD. I failed to acknowledge her in my post. I realize
> that this mistake on my part may have been quite confusing to you so I will
> indulge myself and clarify to you Bob I.
>
> The symptom our organization is experiencing revolves around Outlook and
> Daylight Savings Time (DST). In WendyD's original post, she specifies that
> *all* her calendar items are off by 1 hr. In the case of jlucpicard, *some*
> of his appointments are off by 1 hr. Not sure about, Bob I, but in my mind,
> these appear to be similar symptoms, and; probably caused by the same
> problem. If it is still not clear to you, BOTH of these persons are seeking
> information on a problem which quite obviously revolves around DST.
> Hopefully, we can agree on this.
>

The problem is there are many causes and figuring out which one affects you
requires us to know specific details about your problem. This also helps
others who find the thread via google or live search - they can read the
symptoms and details and if it sounds exactly like their problem, fix it
without ever posting here.

If Wendy's problem is the entire calendar it means the time zone or DST
setting changed and she didn't run the appointment updater. jlucpicard's
problem of some appointments could mean the DST update that extends DST into
march is not installed. If only meeting requests are wrong, one of the
computers is not on the correct TZ/DST. If you're syncing with a device, the
device and computer are on different zones.

There are also other little oddities that someone might post about - one
example is an anomaly in how outlook displays times the week the time
changes (http://www.slipstick.com/calendar/dst_week.asp).

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"OliverB" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:054D0542-8F77-4EFA-9980-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Bob I,
>
> My apologies to WendyD. I failed to acknowledge her in my post. I
> realize
> that this mistake on my part may have been quite confusing to you so I
> will
> indulge myself and clarify to you Bob I.
>
> The symptom our organization is experiencing revolves around Outlook and
> Daylight Savings Time (DST). In WendyD's original post, she specifies
> that
> *all* her calendar items are off by 1 hr. In the case of jlucpicard,
> *some*
> of his appointments are off by 1 hr. Not sure about, Bob I, but in my
> mind,
> these appear to be similar symptoms, and; probably caused by the same
> problem. If it is still not clear to you, BOTH of these persons are
> seeking
> information on a problem which quite obviously revolves around DST.
> Hopefully, we can agree on this.
>
> Now, to answer your question, I am looking for a solution to a problem
> that
> is very similar to what both (WendyD and jlucpicard) commented on. In
> your
> mind, your idea of being helpful does not seem to be inline with the
> general
> idea of collaboration, which is the very essence of these forums.
> Personally, it appears to me that you seem to be more focused on attacking
> people on the basis that you dislike the idea of other people doing
> something
> completely different than what you expect. To be more specific, what you
> are
> doing is a form of argumentum ad hominem, which quite frankly has
> absolutely
> no place on a site like this. Furthermore, even as I made my comment to
> you,
> once again your arrogance got in the way of your better judgement; and,
> instead of recognizing your shortcomings, you chose to continue pointing
> out
> meaningless things about my post. And still, providing no insight on the
> issues/symptoms/comments/posts/remarks/questions/bugs/behavior/whatever at
> hand.
>
> I realize that parts of this post are probably too much for you to deal
> with, so; I submit to you that you take your time and really analyze it.
> Believe me, based on what little character you have displayed here (and
> probably will continue to display here or elsewhere), you could use it.
> BTW,
> apologies to all of you who are looking for help on any issues that sound
> remarkably similar to whatever you have found here. WendyD or jlucpicard
> or
> anyone else (outside of Bob I, of course), please, if you have a solution
> to
> the symptom originally outlined by WendyD, please post it back in here. I
> still need to address an issue that sounds very close to yours.
>
> "Bob I" wrote:
>
>> Sorry, but the issue at hand is a case of thread jumping and in this
>> case your post is, to use your term "poor and pointless at best". Wendy
>> was in this thread receiving assistance on her issue, while "jlucpicard"
>> was receiving assistance in his own thread only caused by a different
>> issue and having different symptoms. He merely added noise and confuses
>> the issue, much like that which you have now repeated. And WHICH same
>> problem are you experiencing? Wendys'? Or "jlucpicard"s? Perhaps it is
>> a noise problem. As to solving your "same problem" the answer is either
>> in this thread if you are the same as "Wendy" or the other one if you
>> are the same as "jlucpicard". So now I'll leave you to pick and apply
>> the correct solution to your "same problem".
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> OliverB wrote:
>>
>> > Bob I,
>> >
>> > I think that your reply is poor and pointless at best. When someone is
>> > looking for a solution to a problem, it is widely accepted to post
>> > messages
>> > of this nature. Perhaps, a better approach for you to take would have
>> > been
>> > to either (1) answer the original question; or (2), simply not reply
>> > with
>> > such an arrogant response. Understand that being helpful to others
>> > does not
>> > make you weak.
>> >
>> > BTW, jlucpicard, our organization too am experiencing the same problem.
>> >
>> > "Bob I" wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>No, by posting in this thread, all you did was introduce noise into
>> >>THIS
>> >>thread. IF you were truly aware as claimed, you wouldn't have done
>> >>that.
>> >>
>> >>jlucpicard wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>I realize this isn't a chat room. My intention for my post was to
>> >>>indicate
>> >>>my problem persisted after performing the steps outlined in the
>> >>>thread. My
>> >>>only mistake was not stating this more clearly. My hope was that I
>> >>>would
>> >>>possibly get further suggestions on how to correct the issue. What I
>> >>>didn't
>> >>>expect was to be provided discussion group ettiquete of which I'm well
>> >>>aware.
>> >>>
>> >>>"Bob I" wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Hi, this isn't a chat room. The answer to your problem is in your
>> >>>>thread.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>jlucpicard wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>I have a similar problem, but only on SOME of my appointments. It
>> >>>>>seems as
>> >>>>>if recurring appointments were updated to the correct time, but
>> >>>>>individual
>> >>>>>appointments weren't. This is sure frustrating.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>"Bob I" wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>Should, but the proof is in the results. I was thinking there was
>> >>>>>>also
>> >>>>>>an earlier Windows XP patch, but you may have already put it on.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>WendyD wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>I haven't yet, as I didn't have this phone in 2008 (or Outlook
>> >>>>>>>2007). Since
>> >>>>>>>posting this, I did guess that my issues probably date back to
>> >>>>>>>2008. Do you
>> >>>>>>>know of an exact location where I could find the patches? I did
>> >>>>>>>find a few
>> >>>>>>>locations on Microsoft's site, but am not sure they're the right
>> >>>>>>>ones. Here
>> >>>>>>>are 2 I was looking at:
>> >>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en,
>> >>>>>>>and http://support.microsoft.com/gp/cp_dst. Should these suffice?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>"Bob I" wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>Did you install all of the DST patches for your operating system?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>WendyD wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>Ever since the daylight savings time change this past Sat/Sun,
>> >>>>>>>>>all my Outlook
>> >>>>>>>>>calendar items are wrong by 1 hr. I've talked with both AT&T
>> >>>>>>>>>(provider) and
>> >>>>>>>>>HTC (phone manufacturer) and none of their fixes work. We went
>> >>>>>>>>>into Outlook
>> >>>>>>>>>on the computer and selected/unselected the "adjust for daylight
>> >>>>>>>>>savings
>> >>>>>>>>>time" box, shutdown/restarted the computer, synched and
>> >>>>>>>>>resynched my phone,
>> >>>>>>>>>etc, etc, but to no avail. Is anyone else experiencing this
>> >>>>>>>>>problem... is
>> >>>>>>>>>Microsoft planning a patch for this issue? AT&T's answer was
>> >>>>>>>>>that I would
>> >>>>>>>>>need to manually adjust all my calendar appointments every time
>> >>>>>>>>>this happens
>> >>>>>>>>>(ie, every 6 months). I don't plan on doing that, so am hoping
>> >>>>>>>>>it's an
>> >>>>>>>>>Outlook issue and there will be a fix for it.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>
>>
>>