John wrote:
> Hi,
> my motherboard died from a failed bios upgrade and all my college
> data is on the hard disk. If I try to put this sata hard disk in
> another pc under XP I cannot access the data as windows wants to
> format it first.Is there any way I can recover my data,....please
> help, Im in the proverbial on this one.
> John

If you have another pc with a XP already working, just add yours as a second
drive and get the data off that way
--
SteveH

On Feb 1, 2:40 am, John <vist...@iol.ie> wrote:
> Hi,
> my motherboard died from a failed bios upgrade and all my college
> data is on the hard disk. If I try to put this sata hard disk in another
> pc under XP I cannot access the data as windows wants to format it
> first.Is there any way I can recover my data,....please help, Im in the
> proverbial on this one.
> John

Presuming there's not corruption and a reason why XP wouldn't
recognize and mount the drive, I couldn't say, apart from a likely
initial default NTFS format. Various ways to go at it -- although for
general directions (past the easiest and fixing whatever is preventing
you from obtaining an XP mount), there's also DOS. If it's scrambled
eggs here, yep, you may be up ****'s creek without the proverbial
backup.

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download2036.html

"John" <(E-Mail Removed)> kirjoitti
viestissä:1afde$4984fa63$5964ddb7$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> John wrote:
>>
>>> my motherboard died from a failed bios upgrade and all my college
>>> data is on the hard disk. If I try to put this sata hard disk in another
>>> pc under XP I cannot access the data as windows wants to format it
>>> first.Is there any way I can recover my data,....please help, Im in the
>>> proverbial on this one.
>>
>> There are lots of linux live CDs to boot with which can access any manner
>> of filesystem on the SATA.
>>
>> Copy from your inadequately backed up hdd to somewhere else and then back
>> it all up properly. How many gigs are we talking about that you need/
>> didn't back up/? What's the filesystem? NTFS?
>>
>> What have you done so far? Removed the sata from the (presumably) dead
>> mobo box (when do we get the story on the alleged bios upgrade failure?),
>> installed/slaved it on another sata capable boxen with an XP installed on
>> the other hdd, booted to XP which sees the drive and says it wants to
>> format it?
>>
>> Maybe the XP is just getting mixed up about the other mbr on the slave
>> drive or something.
>>
>>
>>
> Thanks for the replies......ok time to come clean,the upgrade story was a
> convenien "long-story-short" kinda thing.The real deal is that its a Lacie
> terrabyte desktop drive.I left the power supply behind me about 200miles
> back and wont get there till end of next week.The psu is a 4 pin Sunfone
> 38W for LaCie Desktop HD 1TB unit, and is here
> http://www.lacie.com/more/?id=10065. When I opened the unit there are 2
> 500g Segate hard drives within which are sata. I removed one drive just
> now and put it in my XP pc and tried to see the drive.In computer
> management/disk management it is present and healthy but is rported as
> being a 900g drive even though its in reality a 500.I guess Lacie have
> some sort of Raid/stripe/ thing going where the 2 500 are seen as one
> drive.The college bit is bona fide though.....I think if my data is still
> not corrupted I prolly need to buy another psu tomorrow.
> What is the linux disk,and can it be used to recover windows/NTFS files?


The problem is that that configurations gives you a RAID-0 setup in the
external box (2*500GT in spanning mode)
I don't think there's any way to get at the data, as that would need an
identical RAID controller...

And no, there's NO way in h**l to see data if connecting only one of the
drives...

--
Thomas Wendell
Helsinki, Finland
Translations to/from FI not always accurate

John wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> John wrote:
>>
>>> my motherboard died from a failed bios upgrade and all my college
>>> data is on the hard disk. If I try to put this sata hard disk in another
>>> pc under XP I cannot access the data as windows wants to format it
>>> first.Is there any way I can recover my data,....please help, Im in the
>>> proverbial on this one.
>>
>> There are lots of linux live CDs to boot with which can access any manner
>> of filesystem on the SATA.
>>
>> Copy from your inadequately backed up hdd to somewhere else and then back
>> it all up properly. How many gigs are we talking about that you need/
>> didn't back up/? What's the filesystem? NTFS?
>>
>> What have you done so far? Removed the sata from the (presumably) dead
>> mobo box (when do we get the story on the alleged bios upgrade failure?),
>> installed/slaved it on another sata capable boxen with an XP installed on
>> the other hdd, booted to XP which sees the drive and says it wants to
>> format it?
>>
>> Maybe the XP is just getting mixed up about the other mbr on the slave
>> drive or something.
>>
>>
>>
> Thanks for the replies......ok time to come clean,the upgrade story was
> a convenien "long-story-short" kinda thing.The real deal is that its a
> Lacie terrabyte desktop drive.I left the power supply behind me about
> 200miles back and wont get there till end of next week.The psu is a 4
> pin Sunfone 38W for LaCie Desktop HD 1TB unit, and is here
> http://www.lacie.com/more/?id=10065. When I opened the unit there are 2
> 500g Segate hard drives within which are sata. I removed one drive just
> now and put it in my XP pc and tried to see the drive.In computer
> management/disk management it is present and healthy but is rported as
> being a 900g drive even though its in reality a 500.I guess Lacie have
> some sort of Raid/stripe/ thing going where the 2 500 are seen as one
> drive.The college bit is bona fide though.....I think if my data is
> still not corrupted I prolly need to buy another psu tomorrow.
> What is the linux disk,and can it be used to recover windows/NTFS files?

They're in RAID0. The metadata on the drive (the part that tells
the controller whether the drive is the "odd" or "even" drive,
the stripe size and so on), is not transferable to other
RAID controllers. Every manufacturer does it different.

To access the data, you'd need RAID recovery software of some kind.
You'd connect both 500GB SATA disks to a motherboard, run the
RAID software. Maybe the RAID software would be ready to copy
the data to another volume. Which would mean buying a drive large
enough to hold the data coming from the original RAID0.

Your Sunfone 38W adapter is here. It provides 5V @ 2.2A and 12V @ 2.2A.
The connector is a four pin mini-DIN with alignment tab. So the
pins would be +5V, GND, GND, +12V.

http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=11043

Some documents that might be for the drive.

http://static.tigerdirect.com/pdf/la...01U-manual.pdf

http://static.tigerdirect.com/pdf/La...-Datasheet.pdf

I don't see an easy answer here. RAID recovery software
is generally not free. A separate hard drive, to hold
any recovered data, is not free. A 200 mile trip
to get the adapter is not free.

Paul

Hi,
my motherboard died from a failed bios upgrade and all my college
data is on the hard disk. If I try to put this sata hard disk in another
pc under XP I cannot access the data as windows wants to format it
first.Is there any way I can recover my data,....please help, Im in the
proverbial on this one.
John

Mike Easter wrote:
> John wrote:
>
>> my motherboard died from a failed bios upgrade and all my college
>> data is on the hard disk. If I try to put this sata hard disk in another
>> pc under XP I cannot access the data as windows wants to format it
>> first.Is there any way I can recover my data,....please help, Im in the
>> proverbial on this one.
>
> There are lots of linux live CDs to boot with which can access any manner
> of filesystem on the SATA.
>
> Copy from your inadequately backed up hdd to somewhere else and then back
> it all up properly. How many gigs are we talking about that you need/
> didn't back up/? What's the filesystem? NTFS?
>
> What have you done so far? Removed the sata from the (presumably) dead
> mobo box (when do we get the story on the alleged bios upgrade failure?),
> installed/slaved it on another sata capable boxen with an XP installed on
> the other hdd, booted to XP which sees the drive and says it wants to
> format it?
>
> Maybe the XP is just getting mixed up about the other mbr on the slave
> drive or something.
>
>
>
Thanks for the replies......ok time to come clean,the upgrade story was
a convenien "long-story-short" kinda thing.The real deal is that its a
Lacie terrabyte desktop drive.I left the power supply behind me about
200miles back and wont get there till end of next week.The psu is a 4
pin Sunfone 38W for LaCie Desktop HD 1TB unit, and is here
http://www.lacie.com/more/?id=10065. When I opened the unit there are 2
500g Segate hard drives within which are sata. I removed one drive just
now and put it in my XP pc and tried to see the drive.In computer
management/disk management it is present and healthy but is rported as
being a 900g drive even though its in reality a 500.I guess Lacie have
some sort of Raid/stripe/ thing going where the 2 500 are seen as one
drive.The college bit is bona fide though.....I think if my data is
still not corrupted I prolly need to buy another psu tomorrow.
What is the linux disk,and can it be used to recover windows/NTFS files?

Mike Easter wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> John wrote:
>
>>> When I opened the unit there are 2
>>> 500g Segate hard drives within which are sata. I removed one drive just
>>> now and put it in my XP pc and tried to see the drive.
>
>> Before we get all fired up about a linux live CD, let's find out what
>> kind of filesystem there is on the LaCie and what it is.
>
> I read a couple of LaCie manuals even tho' I didn't know which of the
> dozens or scores of available .pdf manuals I should read, just to get the
> gist of where LaCie was coming from. It appears that they aren't partial
> to their own fs, and their hdd/s typically come preformatted as fat32 or
> ntfs with instructions about what to do if you are Mac, depending on the
> drive. One of the manuals I read had an external psu and fat32 -- so I'll
> presume there aren't any special chores for the linux live cd; all it has
> to do is fat32 or ntfs.
>
> Then there's the issue of whether or not there's anything funky about the
> hardware in this/your undescribed 'my XP pc' that the linux might stumble
> over, such as video card or integrated video support chips. Video
> problems can keep a linux live CD from performing in a smooth manner.
>
> Do you know how to look at and describe your XP boxen hardware?
>
>
>
Well more or less I think.....Thanks to SiSoft Sandra:-)
There are about 5 pc`c of varying age....this one is getting on now
but I use it as a utility machine.

Processor
Model : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+
Speed : 2.21GHz
Model Number : 3700 (estimated)
Cores per Processor : 1 Unit(s)
Threads per Core : 1 Unit(s)
Internal Data Cache : 64kB, Synchronous, Write-Back, 2-way set, 64 byte
line size
L2 On-board Cache : 1MB, ECC, Synchronous, Write-Back, 16-way set, 64
byte line size

System
Mainboard : Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. GA-K8N Pro-SLI
Bus(es) : ISA PCI PCIe IMB CardBus USB FireWire/1394 i2c/SMBus
Multi-Processor (MP) Support : 1 Processor(s)
Multi-Processor Advanced PIC (APIC) : Yes
System BIOS : Award Software International, Inc. F6
Total Memory : 3GB DDR-SDRAM

Chipset 1
Model : Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Athlon 64 / Opteron HyperTransport
Technology

Configuration
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 1005MHz (2010MHz data rate)
Total Memory : 3GB DDR-SDRAM
Memory Bus Speed : 2x 157MHz (314MHz data rate)

Video System
Monitor/Panel : HP D2842A
Adapter : Radeon X1900 Series
Adapter : Radeon X1900 Series Secondary

Physical Storage Devices
Maxtor 6Y080L0 (ATA) : 76GB (C
Maxtor 6Y200P0 (ATA) : 187GB (D
TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552U (ATAPI) : N/A (E
Hard Disk : N/A (J
MM9874X OQX283T (SCSI) : N/A (H

Logical Storage Devices
Hard Disk (C : 76GB (22GB, 29% Free Space) (NTFS) @ Maxtor 6Y080L0 (ATA)
New Volume (D : 187GB (29GB, 16% Free Space) (NTFS) @ Maxtor 6Y200P0 (ATA)
CD-ROM/DVD (E : N/A @ TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552U (ATAPI)
CD-ROM/DVD (J : N/A @ Hard Disk
CD-ROM/DVD (H : N/A @ MM9874X OQX283T (SCSI)
3.5" 1.44MB (A : N/A

Peripherals
Serial/Parallel Port(s) : 1 COM / 1 LPT
USB Controller/Hub : Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
USB Controller/Hub : Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
USB Controller/Hub : USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub : USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub : USB Composite Device
FireWire/1394 Controller/Hub : Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE
1394 Host

Controller
PCMCIA/CardBus Controller : Ricoh R/RL/RT/RC/5C475(II), R5C520 or
Compatible CardBus

Controller
Infrared Device : Built-in Infrared Device
Keyboard : HID Keyboard Device
Mouse : PS/2 Compatible Mouse
Mouse : HID-compliant mouse
Human Interface : HID-compliant consumer control device
Human Interface : HID-compliant device
Human Interface : USB Human Interface Device
Human Interface : USB Human Interface Device

MultiMedia Device(s)
Device : Realtek AC'97 Audio



Power Management
Mains (AC) Line Status : On-Line

Operating System(s)
Windows System : Microsoft Windows XP (2002) Professional 5.01.2600
(Service Pack 2)
Platform Compliance : Win32 x86

Network Services
Adapter : Realtek RTL8169/8110 Family Gigabit Ethernet NIC
Adapter : Wireless-G Notebook Adapter #2

In article <gm37s1$3k1$(E-Mail Removed)>, Paul says...

> I don't see an easy answer here. RAID recovery software
> is generally not free. A separate hard drive, to hold
> any recovered data, is not free. A 200 mile trip
> to get the adapter is not free.

And this is why I wish ****ing home users would not use RAID because
unlike companies, they're too ****ing stupid to back up the contents of
the RAID array to summat that can be read if it goes down.


--
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

Conor wrote:
> In article <gm37s1$3k1$(E-Mail Removed)>, Paul says...
>
>> I don't see an easy answer here. RAID recovery software
>> is generally not free. A separate hard drive, to hold
>> any recovered data, is not free. A 200 mile trip
>> to get the adapter is not free.
>
> And this is why I wish ****ing home users would not use RAID because
> unlike companies, they're too ****ing stupid to back up the contents of
> the RAID array to summat that can be read if it goes down.
>

This is an external, and the customer isn't typically aware
of the shortcut that awaits them inside the box. Lacie
for example, isn't going to explain to them, the reliability
risk they'd be running by using RAID0 or SPAN inside the box.
It is, literally, a "black box". The big selling feature
for Lacie, is they were able to offer a "1TB drive", before
1TB drives were available. And do it by using two 500GB
drives.

Paul

Jan Alter wrote:
> "John" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:cf144$4984e2ad$5964ddb7$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi,
>> my motherboard died from a failed bios upgrade and all my college data
>> is on the hard disk. If I try to put this sata hard disk in another pc
>> under XP I cannot access the data as windows wants to format it first.Is
>> there any way I can recover my data,....please help, Im in the proverbial
>> on this one.
>> John
>>
>
> I'm assuming you have this pulled out hard drive from the dead box connected
> to another XP box via a SATA connection. Is this correct? It's important on
> XP SATA drives are not plug and play and so must be connected to the
> computer before it starts to be recognized.
>
>
> Jan Alter
> (E-Mail Removed)
>

It is worse than that. The external storage device is a USB with
two hard drives inside. They're either in RAID 0 or they're
spanned, and just plugging them into two SATA ports on the
motherboard, is not the end of the story.

Paul