Data loss: problem with copying files from Win98 to XP (FAT32) and
vice-versa
=========================================================

I have a HD which was originally fdisk-ed to 3 FAT32 partitions via Win98
boot diskette. I left some 20 GB unpartitioned.
After some time I've "discovered" unused 20 GB on that disk so I've
formatted it (4th partition) in WinXP (FAT32). But there was a problem: in
Win98 I couldn't see the files that I copied on that disk in WinXP. So, in
WinXP I made a backup of all files on the disk, switched to Win98 and
formatted it Win98 to FAT32. I've chosen "Full format" but formatting was
very fast, ie. much faster that if I should have formatted it in DOS prompt.
Immediatelly after that I have MOVED data to that disk from one of backuped
folders. Luckily, I moved only one folder. Why "luckily"? Because then I
closed Win98 and started up WinXP I couldn't see any folder (file) on the
disk from XP. So I closed WinXP and started up Win98 again. But, what the
hell (!!!): my data (one folder) has disappeared!!! Instead of data I can
see something what we (in Czech Republic) call "Chinese tea", see
http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_366lo.jpg. The
size of occupied space is OK (677 MB) - it was the size of all data in the
folder that I moved on that disk in previous Win98 session, see
http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_342lo.jpg.
This is information about the disk as shown in Win98's FDISK:
http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_319lo.jpg
http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_570lo.jpg

Same info about same logical disk in Win XP:
http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_572lo.jpg
http://img167.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_573lo.jpg
http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_502lo.jpg

The Found.000 folder was created when I ran Win XP in safe mode. Before I
read all information about cross-cluster problem (plus more blah-blahs on
the screen) XP have created the "backup" folder (Found.000). Of course, it's
unusable AT ALL - I simply can't imagine myself joining hundreds of small
files using hexadecimal editor. I'll delete Found.000 later, for sure.

Note: WinXP is installed on NTFS disk that's why disk mapping differs form
Win98:
98 = L:
XP = P:

The questions are:
1) Why this happens?
2) How can I rescue the 677 MB in lost folder?

Additional note:
1) I have Promise Ultra TX 100 in my computer. After that accident I tried
to download a newer driver form Western Digital. But WinXP
refused to install the driver saying that the current one (by Microsoft) is
better than the one I'm trying to install.
2) In WinXP I can't use Standby Mode on my computer. Neither I can hibernate
the system. The problem is that some disks simply don't switch on restart -
of course, it may cause DATA LOSS (!!!) as it once did, GRRRRRRRRRRR... :-(
3) Accoustically, the swith off to Standby Mode (or hibernate) is different
from when I totally shut down WinXP.

I have tried to discuss the problem with Microsoft CZ tech support but they
know NOTHING about such problem. They recommended me not to open disks with
different file systems (NTFS & FAT32) in one session... :-( ... Not a good
advice, what do you mean?

IMHO, there must be some problem in WinXP Promise Ultra driver. The problem
that causes data loss... :-(
Or, hmmm, am I doing something wrong?

TYVM in advance.

Vlado

"Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote

> Data loss: problem with copying files from Win98 to XP (FAT32) and
> vice-versa
> =========================================================
>
> I have a HD which was originally fdisk-ed to 3 FAT32 partitions via Win98
> boot diskette. I left some 20 GB unpartitioned.
> After some time I've "discovered" unused 20 GB on that disk so I've
> formatted it (4th partition) in WinXP (FAT32). But there was a problem: in
> Win98 I couldn't see the files that I copied on that disk in WinXP. So, in
> WinXP I made a backup of all files on the disk, switched to Win98 and
> formatted it Win98 to FAT32. I've chosen "Full format" but formatting was
> very fast, ie. much faster that if I should have formatted it in DOS
> prompt.
> Immediatelly after that I have MOVED data to that disk from one of
> backuped folders. Luckily, I moved only one folder. Why "luckily"? Because
> then I closed Win98 and started up WinXP I couldn't see any folder (file)
> on the disk from XP. So I closed WinXP and started up Win98 again. But,
> what the hell (!!!): my data (one folder) has disappeared!!! Instead of
> data I can see something what we (in Czech Republic) call "Chinese tea",
> see http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_366lo.jpg.
> The size of occupied space is OK (677 MB) - it was the size of all data in
> the folder that I moved on that disk in previous Win98 session, see
> http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_342lo.jpg.
> This is information about the disk as shown in Win98's FDISK:
> http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_319lo.jpg
> http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_570lo.jpg
>
> Same info about same logical disk in Win XP:
> http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_572lo.jpg
> http://img167.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_573lo.jpg
> http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_502lo.jpg
>
> The Found.000 folder was created when I ran Win XP in safe mode. Before I
> read all information about cross-cluster problem (plus more blah-blahs on
> the screen) XP have created the "backup" folder (Found.000). Of course,
> it's unusable AT ALL - I simply can't imagine myself joining hundreds of
> small files using hexadecimal editor. I'll delete Found.000 later, for
> sure.
>
> Note: WinXP is installed on NTFS disk that's why disk mapping differs form
> Win98:
> 98 = L:
> XP = P:
>
> The questions are:
> 1) Why this happens?
> 2) How can I rescue the 677 MB in lost folder?
>
> Additional note:
> 1) I have Promise Ultra TX 100 in my computer. After that accident I tried
> to download a newer driver form Western Digital. But WinXP
> refused to install the driver saying that the current one (by Microsoft)
> is better than the one I'm trying to install.
> 2) In WinXP I can't use Standby Mode on my computer. Neither I can
> hibernate the system. The problem is that some disks simply don't switch
> on restart - of course, it may cause DATA LOSS (!!!) as it once did,
> GRRRRRRRRRRR... :-(
> 3) Accoustically, the swith off to Standby Mode (or hibernate) is
> different from when I totally shut down WinXP.
>
> I have tried to discuss the problem with Microsoft CZ tech support but
> they know NOTHING about such problem. They recommended me not to open
> disks with different file systems (NTFS & FAT32) in one session... :-( ...
> Not a good advice, what do you mean?
>
> IMHO, there must be some problem in WinXP Promise Ultra driver. The
> problem that causes data loss... :-(
> Or, hmmm, am I doing something wrong?


You might want to contact a data recovery service.

www.ontrack.com
www.drivesavers.com
https://www.seagatedatarecovery.com/

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

First, I'd like to know the reason of data loss.

"Rock" <(E-Mail Removed)> píse v diskusním príspevku
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> "Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote
>
>> Data loss: problem with copying files from Win98 to XP (FAT32) and
>> vice-versa
>> =========================================================
>>
>> I have a HD which was originally fdisk-ed to 3 FAT32 partitions via Win98
>> boot diskette. I left some 20 GB unpartitioned.
>> After some time I've "discovered" unused 20 GB on that disk so I've
>> formatted it (4th partition) in WinXP (FAT32). But there was a problem:
>> in Win98 I couldn't see the files that I copied on that disk in WinXP.
>> So, in WinXP I made a backup of all files on the disk, switched to Win98
>> and formatted it Win98 to FAT32. I've chosen "Full format" but formatting
>> was very fast, ie. much faster that if I should have formatted it in DOS
>> prompt.
>> Immediatelly after that I have MOVED data to that disk from one of
>> backuped folders. Luckily, I moved only one folder. Why "luckily"?
>> Because then I closed Win98 and started up WinXP I couldn't see any
>> folder (file) on the disk from XP. So I closed WinXP and started up Win98
>> again. But, what the hell (!!!): my data (one folder) has disappeared!!!
>> Instead of data I can see something what we (in Czech Republic) call
>> "Chinese tea", see
>> http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_366lo.jpg. The
>> size of occupied space is OK (677 MB) - it was the size of all data in
>> the folder that I moved on that disk in previous Win98 session, see
>> http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_342lo.jpg.
>> This is information about the disk as shown in Win98's FDISK:
>> http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_319lo.jpg
>> http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_570lo.jpg
>>
>> Same info about same logical disk in Win XP:
>> http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_572lo.jpg
>> http://img167.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_573lo.jpg
>> http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_502lo.jpg
>>
>> The Found.000 folder was created when I ran Win XP in safe mode. Before I
>> read all information about cross-cluster problem (plus more blah-blahs on
>> the screen) XP have created the "backup" folder (Found.000). Of course,
>> it's unusable AT ALL - I simply can't imagine myself joining hundreds of
>> small files using hexadecimal editor. I'll delete Found.000 later, for
>> sure.
>>
>> Note: WinXP is installed on NTFS disk that's why disk mapping differs
>> form Win98:
>> 98 = L:
>> XP = P:
>>
>> The questions are:
>> 1) Why this happens?
>> 2) How can I rescue the 677 MB in lost folder?
>>
>> Additional note:
>> 1) I have Promise Ultra TX 100 in my computer. After that accident I
>> tried to download a newer driver form Western Digital. But WinXP
>> refused to install the driver saying that the current one (by Microsoft)
>> is better than the one I'm trying to install.
>> 2) In WinXP I can't use Standby Mode on my computer. Neither I can
>> hibernate the system. The problem is that some disks simply don't switch
>> on restart - of course, it may cause DATA LOSS (!!!) as it once did,
>> GRRRRRRRRRRR... :-(
>> 3) Accoustically, the swith off to Standby Mode (or hibernate) is
>> different from when I totally shut down WinXP.
>>
>> I have tried to discuss the problem with Microsoft CZ tech support but
>> they know NOTHING about such problem. They recommended me not to open
>> disks with different file systems (NTFS & FAT32) in one session... :-(
>> ... Not a good advice, what do you mean?
>>
>> IMHO, there must be some problem in WinXP Promise Ultra driver. The
>> problem that causes data loss... :-(
>> Or, hmmm, am I doing something wrong?
>
>
> You might want to contact a data recovery service.
>
> www.ontrack.com
> www.drivesavers.com
> https://www.seagatedatarecovery.com/
>
> --
> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

You would have to replicate all the conditions at the time of the
transfer/copying, but I suspect you confused Windows 98 and clobbered
the FAT in the partition in question.

Vladimír Cvajniga wrote:

> First, I'd like to know the reason of data loss.
>
> "Rock" <(E-Mail Removed)> píse v diskusním príspevku
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>"Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote
>>
>>
>>>Data loss: problem with copying files from Win98 to XP (FAT32) and
>>>vice-versa
>>>=========================================================
>>>
>>>I have a HD which was originally fdisk-ed to 3 FAT32 partitions via Win98
>>>boot diskette. I left some 20 GB unpartitioned.
>>>After some time I've "discovered" unused 20 GB on that disk so I've
>>>formatted it (4th partition) in WinXP (FAT32). But there was a problem:
>>>in Win98 I couldn't see the files that I copied on that disk in WinXP.
>>>So, in WinXP I made a backup of all files on the disk, switched to Win98
>>>and formatted it Win98 to FAT32. I've chosen "Full format" but formatting
>>>was very fast, ie. much faster that if I should have formatted it in DOS
>>>prompt.
>>>Immediatelly after that I have MOVED data to that disk from one of
>>>backuped folders. Luckily, I moved only one folder. Why "luckily"?
>>>Because then I closed Win98 and started up WinXP I couldn't see any
>>>folder (file) on the disk from XP. So I closed WinXP and started up Win98
>>>again. But, what the hell (!!!): my data (one folder) has disappeared!!!
>>>Instead of data I can see something what we (in Czech Republic) call
>>>"Chinese tea", see
>>>http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_366lo.jpg. The
>>>size of occupied space is OK (677 MB) - it was the size of all data in
>>>the folder that I moved on that disk in previous Win98 session, see
>>>http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_342lo.jpg.
>>>This is information about the disk as shown in Win98's FDISK:
>>>http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_319lo.jpg
>>>http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_570lo.jpg
>>>
>>>Same info about same logical disk in Win XP:
>>>http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_572lo.jpg
>>>http://img167.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_573lo.jpg
>>>http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_502lo.jpg
>>>
>>>The Found.000 folder was created when I ran Win XP in safe mode. Before I
>>>read all information about cross-cluster problem (plus more blah-blahs on
>>>the screen) XP have created the "backup" folder (Found.000). Of course,
>>>it's unusable AT ALL - I simply can't imagine myself joining hundreds of
>>>small files using hexadecimal editor. I'll delete Found.000 later, for
>>>sure.
>>>
>>>Note: WinXP is installed on NTFS disk that's why disk mapping differs
>>>form Win98:
>>>98 = L:
>>>XP = P:
>>>
>>>The questions are:
>>>1) Why this happens?
>>>2) How can I rescue the 677 MB in lost folder?
>>>
>>>Additional note:
>>>1) I have Promise Ultra TX 100 in my computer. After that accident I
>>>tried to download a newer driver form Western Digital. But WinXP
>>>refused to install the driver saying that the current one (by Microsoft)
>>>is better than the one I'm trying to install.
>>>2) In WinXP I can't use Standby Mode on my computer. Neither I can
>>>hibernate the system. The problem is that some disks simply don't switch
>>>on restart - of course, it may cause DATA LOSS (!!!) as it once did,
>>>GRRRRRRRRRRR... :-(
>>>3) Accoustically, the swith off to Standby Mode (or hibernate) is
>>>different from when I totally shut down WinXP.
>>>
>>>I have tried to discuss the problem with Microsoft CZ tech support but
>>>they know NOTHING about such problem. They recommended me not to open
>>>disks with different file systems (NTFS & FAT32) in one session... :-(
>>>... Not a good advice, what do you mean?
>>>
>>>IMHO, there must be some problem in WinXP Promise Ultra driver. The
>>>problem that causes data loss... :-(
>>>Or, hmmm, am I doing something wrong?
>>
>>
>>You might want to contact a data recovery service.
>>
>>www.ontrack.com
>>www.drivesavers.com
>>https://www.seagatedatarecovery.com/
>>
>>--
>>Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
>
>
>

"Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote

> First, I'd like to know the reason of data loss.
>
> "Rock"

>> "Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote
>>
>>> Data loss: problem with copying files from Win98 to XP (FAT32) and
>>> vice-versa
>>> =========================================================
>>>
>>> I have a HD which was originally fdisk-ed to 3 FAT32 partitions via
>>> Win98 boot diskette. I left some 20 GB unpartitioned.
>>> After some time I've "discovered" unused 20 GB on that disk so I've
>>> formatted it (4th partition) in WinXP (FAT32). But there was a problem:
>>> in Win98 I couldn't see the files that I copied on that disk in WinXP.
>>> So, in WinXP I made a backup of all files on the disk, switched to Win98
>>> and formatted it Win98 to FAT32. I've chosen "Full format" but
>>> formatting was very fast, ie. much faster that if I should have
>>> formatted it in DOS prompt.
>>> Immediatelly after that I have MOVED data to that disk from one of
>>> backuped folders. Luckily, I moved only one folder. Why "luckily"?
>>> Because then I closed Win98 and started up WinXP I couldn't see any
>>> folder (file) on the disk from XP. So I closed WinXP and started up
>>> Win98 again. But, what the hell (!!!): my data (one folder) has
>>> disappeared!!! Instead of data I can see something what we (in Czech
>>> Republic) call "Chinese tea", see
>>> http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_366lo.jpg.
>>> The size of occupied space is OK (677 MB) - it was the size of all data
>>> in the folder that I moved on that disk in previous Win98 session, see
>>> http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_342lo.jpg.
>>> This is information about the disk as shown in Win98's FDISK:
>>> http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_319lo.jpg
>>> http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_570lo.jpg
>>>
>>> Same info about same logical disk in Win XP:
>>> http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_572lo.jpg
>>> http://img167.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_573lo.jpg
>>> http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_502lo.jpg
>>>
>>> The Found.000 folder was created when I ran Win XP in safe mode. Before
>>> I read all information about cross-cluster problem (plus more blah-blahs
>>> on the screen) XP have created the "backup" folder (Found.000). Of
>>> course, it's unusable AT ALL - I simply can't imagine myself joining
>>> hundreds of small files using hexadecimal editor. I'll delete Found.000
>>> later, for sure.
>>>
>>> Note: WinXP is installed on NTFS disk that's why disk mapping differs
>>> form Win98:
>>> 98 = L:
>>> XP = P:
>>>
>>> The questions are:
>>> 1) Why this happens?
>>> 2) How can I rescue the 677 MB in lost folder?
>>>
>>> Additional note:
>>> 1) I have Promise Ultra TX 100 in my computer. After that accident I
>>> tried to download a newer driver form Western Digital. But WinXP
>>> refused to install the driver saying that the current one (by Microsoft)
>>> is better than the one I'm trying to install.
>>> 2) In WinXP I can't use Standby Mode on my computer. Neither I can
>>> hibernate the system. The problem is that some disks simply don't
>>> switch on restart - of course, it may cause DATA LOSS (!!!) as it once
>>> did, GRRRRRRRRRRR... :-(
>>> 3) Accoustically, the swith off to Standby Mode (or hibernate) is
>>> different from when I totally shut down WinXP.
>>>
>>> I have tried to discuss the problem with Microsoft CZ tech support but
>>> they know NOTHING about such problem. They recommended me not to open
>>> disks with different file systems (NTFS & FAT32) in one session... :-(
>>> ... Not a good advice, what do you mean?
>>>
>>> IMHO, there must be some problem in WinXP Promise Ultra driver. The
>>> problem that causes data loss... :-(
>>> Or, hmmm, am I doing something wrong?
>>
>>
>> You might want to contact a data recovery service.
>>
>> www.ontrack.com
>> www.drivesavers.com
>> https://www.seagatedatarecovery.com/
>>
>> --
>> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]


Suit yourself. Only you can decide how important it is to have the data.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

Any idea what is the cause of data loss, Rock (MVP)?

"Rock" <(E-Mail Removed)> píse v diskusním príspevku
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> "Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote
>
>> First, I'd like to know the reason of data loss.
>>
>> "Rock"
>
>>> "Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote
>>>
>>>> Data loss: problem with copying files from Win98 to XP (FAT32) and
>>>> vice-versa
>>>> =========================================================
>>>>
>>>> I have a HD which was originally fdisk-ed to 3 FAT32 partitions via
>>>> Win98 boot diskette. I left some 20 GB unpartitioned.
>>>> After some time I've "discovered" unused 20 GB on that disk so I've
>>>> formatted it (4th partition) in WinXP (FAT32). But there was a problem:
>>>> in Win98 I couldn't see the files that I copied on that disk in WinXP.
>>>> So, in WinXP I made a backup of all files on the disk, switched to
>>>> Win98 and formatted it Win98 to FAT32. I've chosen "Full format" but
>>>> formatting was very fast, ie. much faster that if I should have
>>>> formatted it in DOS prompt.
>>>> Immediatelly after that I have MOVED data to that disk from one of
>>>> backuped folders. Luckily, I moved only one folder. Why "luckily"?
>>>> Because then I closed Win98 and started up WinXP I couldn't see any
>>>> folder (file) on the disk from XP. So I closed WinXP and started up
>>>> Win98 again. But, what the hell (!!!): my data (one folder) has
>>>> disappeared!!! Instead of data I can see something what we (in Czech
>>>> Republic) call "Chinese tea", see
>>>> http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_366lo.jpg.
>>>> The size of occupied space is OK (677 MB) - it was the size of all data
>>>> in the folder that I moved on that disk in previous Win98 session, see
>>>> http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_342lo.jpg.
>>>> This is information about the disk as shown in Win98's FDISK:
>>>> http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_319lo.jpg
>>>> http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_570lo.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Same info about same logical disk in Win XP:
>>>> http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_572lo.jpg
>>>> http://img167.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_573lo.jpg
>>>> http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_502lo.jpg
>>>>
>>>> The Found.000 folder was created when I ran Win XP in safe mode. Before
>>>> I read all information about cross-cluster problem (plus more
>>>> blah-blahs on the screen) XP have created the "backup" folder
>>>> (Found.000). Of course, it's unusable AT ALL - I simply can't imagine
>>>> myself joining hundreds of small files using hexadecimal editor. I'll
>>>> delete Found.000 later, for sure.
>>>>
>>>> Note: WinXP is installed on NTFS disk that's why disk mapping differs
>>>> form Win98:
>>>> 98 = L:
>>>> XP = P:
>>>>
>>>> The questions are:
>>>> 1) Why this happens?
>>>> 2) How can I rescue the 677 MB in lost folder?
>>>>
>>>> Additional note:
>>>> 1) I have Promise Ultra TX 100 in my computer. After that accident I
>>>> tried to download a newer driver form Western Digital. But WinXP
>>>> refused to install the driver saying that the current one (by
>>>> Microsoft) is better than the one I'm trying to install.
>>>> 2) In WinXP I can't use Standby Mode on my computer. Neither I can
>>>> hibernate the system. The problem is that some disks simply don't
>>>> switch on restart - of course, it may cause DATA LOSS (!!!) as it once
>>>> did, GRRRRRRRRRRR... :-(
>>>> 3) Accoustically, the swith off to Standby Mode (or hibernate) is
>>>> different from when I totally shut down WinXP.
>>>>
>>>> I have tried to discuss the problem with Microsoft CZ tech support but
>>>> they know NOTHING about such problem. They recommended me not to open
>>>> disks with different file systems (NTFS & FAT32) in one session...
>>>> :-( ... Not a good advice, what do you mean?
>>>>
>>>> IMHO, there must be some problem in WinXP Promise Ultra driver. The
>>>> problem that causes data loss... :-(
>>>> Or, hmmm, am I doing something wrong?
>>>
>>>
>>> You might want to contact a data recovery service.
>>>
>>> www.ontrack.com
>>> www.drivesavers.com
>>> https://www.seagatedatarecovery.com/
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
>
>
> Suit yourself. Only you can decide how important it is to have the data.
>
> --
> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

"Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote

> Any idea what is the cause of data loss, Rock (MVP)?
>
> "Rock" <(E-Mail Removed)> píse v diskusním príspevku
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> "Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote
>>
>>> First, I'd like to know the reason of data loss.
>>>
>>> "Rock"
>>
>>>> "Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Data loss: problem with copying files from Win98 to XP (FAT32) and
>>>>> vice-versa
>>>>> =========================================================
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a HD which was originally fdisk-ed to 3 FAT32 partitions via
>>>>> Win98 boot diskette. I left some 20 GB unpartitioned.
>>>>> After some time I've "discovered" unused 20 GB on that disk so I've
>>>>> formatted it (4th partition) in WinXP (FAT32). But there was a
>>>>> problem: in Win98 I couldn't see the files that I copied on that disk
>>>>> in WinXP. So, in WinXP I made a backup of all files on the disk,
>>>>> switched to Win98 and formatted it Win98 to FAT32. I've chosen "Full
>>>>> format" but formatting was very fast, ie. much faster that if I should
>>>>> have formatted it in DOS prompt.
>>>>> Immediatelly after that I have MOVED data to that disk from one of
>>>>> backuped folders. Luckily, I moved only one folder. Why "luckily"?
>>>>> Because then I closed Win98 and started up WinXP I couldn't see any
>>>>> folder (file) on the disk from XP. So I closed WinXP and started up
>>>>> Win98 again. But, what the hell (!!!): my data (one folder) has
>>>>> disappeared!!! Instead of data I can see something what we (in Czech
>>>>> Republic) call "Chinese tea", see
>>>>> http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_366lo.jpg.
>>>>> The size of occupied space is OK (677 MB) - it was the size of all
>>>>> data in the folder that I moved on that disk in previous Win98
>>>>> session, see
>>>>> http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_342lo.jpg.
>>>>> This is information about the disk as shown in Win98's FDISK:
>>>>> http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_319lo.jpg
>>>>> http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_570lo.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Same info about same logical disk in Win XP:
>>>>> http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_572lo.jpg
>>>>> http://img167.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_573lo.jpg
>>>>> http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_502lo.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> The Found.000 folder was created when I ran Win XP in safe mode.
>>>>> Before I read all information about cross-cluster problem (plus more
>>>>> blah-blahs on the screen) XP have created the "backup" folder
>>>>> (Found.000). Of course, it's unusable AT ALL - I simply can't imagine
>>>>> myself joining hundreds of small files using hexadecimal editor. I'll
>>>>> delete Found.000 later, for sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: WinXP is installed on NTFS disk that's why disk mapping differs
>>>>> form Win98:
>>>>> 98 = L:
>>>>> XP = P:
>>>>>
>>>>> The questions are:
>>>>> 1) Why this happens?
>>>>> 2) How can I rescue the 677 MB in lost folder?
>>>>>
>>>>> Additional note:
>>>>> 1) I have Promise Ultra TX 100 in my computer. After that accident I
>>>>> tried to download a newer driver form Western Digital. But WinXP
>>>>> refused to install the driver saying that the current one (by
>>>>> Microsoft) is better than the one I'm trying to install.
>>>>> 2) In WinXP I can't use Standby Mode on my computer. Neither I can
>>>>> hibernate the system. The problem is that some disks simply don't
>>>>> switch on restart - of course, it may cause DATA LOSS (!!!) as it once
>>>>> did, GRRRRRRRRRRR... :-(
>>>>> 3) Accoustically, the swith off to Standby Mode (or hibernate) is
>>>>> different from when I totally shut down WinXP.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have tried to discuss the problem with Microsoft CZ tech support but
>>>>> they know NOTHING about such problem. They recommended me not to open
>>>>> disks with different file systems (NTFS & FAT32) in one session...
>>>>> :-( ... Not a good advice, what do you mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> IMHO, there must be some problem in WinXP Promise Ultra driver. The
>>>>> problem that causes data loss... :-(
>>>>> Or, hmmm, am I doing something wrong?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You might want to contact a data recovery service.
>>>>
>>>> www.ontrack.com
>>>> www.drivesavers.com
>>>> https://www.seagatedatarecovery.com/

>> Suit yourself. Only you can decide how important it is to have the data.

No, good luck.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

Any idea of Standby/Hibernation mode problem?

"Rock" <(E-Mail Removed)> píse v diskusním príspevku
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> "Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote
>
>> Any idea what is the cause of data loss, Rock (MVP)?
>>
>> "Rock" <(E-Mail Removed)> píse v diskusním príspevku
>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> "Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote
>>>
>>>> First, I'd like to know the reason of data loss.
>>>>
>>>> "Rock"
>>>
>>>>> "Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> Data loss: problem with copying files from Win98 to XP (FAT32) and
>>>>>> vice-versa
>>>>>> =========================================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a HD which was originally fdisk-ed to 3 FAT32 partitions via
>>>>>> Win98 boot diskette. I left some 20 GB unpartitioned.
>>>>>> After some time I've "discovered" unused 20 GB on that disk so I've
>>>>>> formatted it (4th partition) in WinXP (FAT32). But there was a
>>>>>> problem: in Win98 I couldn't see the files that I copied on that disk
>>>>>> in WinXP. So, in WinXP I made a backup of all files on the disk,
>>>>>> switched to Win98 and formatted it Win98 to FAT32. I've chosen "Full
>>>>>> format" but formatting was very fast, ie. much faster that if I
>>>>>> should have formatted it in DOS prompt.
>>>>>> Immediatelly after that I have MOVED data to that disk from one of
>>>>>> backuped folders. Luckily, I moved only one folder. Why "luckily"?
>>>>>> Because then I closed Win98 and started up WinXP I couldn't see any
>>>>>> folder (file) on the disk from XP. So I closed WinXP and started up
>>>>>> Win98 again. But, what the hell (!!!): my data (one folder) has
>>>>>> disappeared!!! Instead of data I can see something what we (in Czech
>>>>>> Republic) call "Chinese tea", see
>>>>>> http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_366lo.jpg.
>>>>>> The size of occupied space is OK (677 MB) - it was the size of all
>>>>>> data in the folder that I moved on that disk in previous Win98
>>>>>> session, see
>>>>>> http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_342lo.jpg.
>>>>>> This is information about the disk as shown in Win98's FDISK:
>>>>>> http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_319lo.jpg
>>>>>> http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_570lo.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Same info about same logical disk in Win XP:
>>>>>> http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_572lo.jpg
>>>>>> http://img167.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_573lo.jpg
>>>>>> http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_502lo.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Found.000 folder was created when I ran Win XP in safe mode.
>>>>>> Before I read all information about cross-cluster problem (plus more
>>>>>> blah-blahs on the screen) XP have created the "backup" folder
>>>>>> (Found.000). Of course, it's unusable AT ALL - I simply can't imagine
>>>>>> myself joining hundreds of small files using hexadecimal editor. I'll
>>>>>> delete Found.000 later, for sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note: WinXP is installed on NTFS disk that's why disk mapping differs
>>>>>> form Win98:
>>>>>> 98 = L:
>>>>>> XP = P:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The questions are:
>>>>>> 1) Why this happens?
>>>>>> 2) How can I rescue the 677 MB in lost folder?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Additional note:
>>>>>> 1) I have Promise Ultra TX 100 in my computer. After that accident I
>>>>>> tried to download a newer driver form Western Digital. But WinXP
>>>>>> refused to install the driver saying that the current one (by
>>>>>> Microsoft) is better than the one I'm trying to install.
>>>>>> 2) In WinXP I can't use Standby Mode on my computer. Neither I can
>>>>>> hibernate the system. The problem is that some disks simply don't
>>>>>> switch on restart - of course, it may cause DATA LOSS (!!!) as it
>>>>>> once did, GRRRRRRRRRRR... :-(
>>>>>> 3) Accoustically, the swith off to Standby Mode (or hibernate) is
>>>>>> different from when I totally shut down WinXP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have tried to discuss the problem with Microsoft CZ tech support
>>>>>> but they know NOTHING about such problem. They recommended me not to
>>>>>> open disks with different file systems (NTFS & FAT32) in one
>>>>>> session... :-( ... Not a good advice, what do you mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMHO, there must be some problem in WinXP Promise Ultra driver. The
>>>>>> problem that causes data loss... :-(
>>>>>> Or, hmmm, am I doing something wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You might want to contact a data recovery service.
>>>>>
>>>>> www.ontrack.com
>>>>> www.drivesavers.com
>>>>> https://www.seagatedatarecovery.com/
>
>>> Suit yourself. Only you can decide how important it is to have the
>>> data.
>
> No, good luck.
>
> --
> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

"Vladimír Cvajniga" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Any idea of Standby/Hibernation mode problem?
>
> "Rock" <(E-Mail Removed)> píse v diskusním príspevku
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> "Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote
>>
>>> Any idea what is the cause of data loss, Rock (MVP)?
>>>
>>> "Rock" <(E-Mail Removed)> píse v diskusním príspevku
>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> "Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote
>>>>
>>>>> First, I'd like to know the reason of data loss.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rock"
>>>>
>>>>>> "Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Data loss: problem with copying files from Win98 to XP (FAT32) and
>>>>>>> vice-versa
>>>>>>> =========================================================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a HD which was originally fdisk-ed to 3 FAT32 partitions via
>>>>>>> Win98 boot diskette. I left some 20 GB unpartitioned.
>>>>>>> After some time I've "discovered" unused 20 GB on that disk so I've
>>>>>>> formatted it (4th partition) in WinXP (FAT32). But there was a
>>>>>>> problem: in Win98 I couldn't see the files that I copied on that
>>>>>>> disk in WinXP. So, in WinXP I made a backup of all files on the
>>>>>>> disk, switched to Win98 and formatted it Win98 to FAT32. I've chosen
>>>>>>> "Full format" but formatting was very fast, ie. much faster that if
>>>>>>> I should have formatted it in DOS prompt.
>>>>>>> Immediatelly after that I have MOVED data to that disk from one of
>>>>>>> backuped folders. Luckily, I moved only one folder. Why "luckily"?
>>>>>>> Because then I closed Win98 and started up WinXP I couldn't see any
>>>>>>> folder (file) on the disk from XP. So I closed WinXP and started up
>>>>>>> Win98 again. But, what the hell (!!!): my data (one folder) has
>>>>>>> disappeared!!! Instead of data I can see something what we (in Czech
>>>>>>> Republic) call "Chinese tea", see
>>>>>>> http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_366lo.jpg.
>>>>>>> The size of occupied space is OK (677 MB) - it was the size of all
>>>>>>> data in the folder that I moved on that disk in previous Win98
>>>>>>> session, see
>>>>>>> http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_342lo.jpg.
>>>>>>> This is information about the disk as shown in Win98's FDISK:
>>>>>>> http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_319lo.jpg
>>>>>>> http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_570lo.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Same info about same logical disk in Win XP:
>>>>>>> http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_572lo.jpg
>>>>>>> http://img167.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_573lo.jpg
>>>>>>> http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_502lo.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Found.000 folder was created when I ran Win XP in safe mode.
>>>>>>> Before I read all information about cross-cluster problem (plus more
>>>>>>> blah-blahs on the screen) XP have created the "backup" folder
>>>>>>> (Found.000). Of course, it's unusable AT ALL - I simply can't
>>>>>>> imagine myself joining hundreds of small files using hexadecimal
>>>>>>> editor. I'll delete Found.000 later, for sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note: WinXP is installed on NTFS disk that's why disk mapping
>>>>>>> differs form Win98:
>>>>>>> 98 = L:
>>>>>>> XP = P:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The questions are:
>>>>>>> 1) Why this happens?
>>>>>>> 2) How can I rescue the 677 MB in lost folder?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Additional note:
>>>>>>> 1) I have Promise Ultra TX 100 in my computer. After that accident I
>>>>>>> tried to download a newer driver form Western Digital. But WinXP
>>>>>>> refused to install the driver saying that the current one (by
>>>>>>> Microsoft) is better than the one I'm trying to install.
>>>>>>> 2) In WinXP I can't use Standby Mode on my computer. Neither I can
>>>>>>> hibernate the system. The problem is that some disks simply don't
>>>>>>> switch on restart - of course, it may cause DATA LOSS (!!!) as it
>>>>>>> once did, GRRRRRRRRRRR... :-(
>>>>>>> 3) Accoustically, the swith off to Standby Mode (or hibernate) is
>>>>>>> different from when I totally shut down WinXP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have tried to discuss the problem with Microsoft CZ tech support
>>>>>>> but they know NOTHING about such problem. They recommended me not to
>>>>>>> open disks with different file systems (NTFS & FAT32) in one
>>>>>>> session... :-( ... Not a good advice, what do you mean?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IMHO, there must be some problem in WinXP Promise Ultra driver. The
>>>>>>> problem that causes data loss... :-(
>>>>>>> Or, hmmm, am I doing something wrong?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You might want to contact a data recovery service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.ontrack.com
>>>>>> www.drivesavers.com
>>>>>> https://www.seagatedatarecovery.com/
>>
>>>> Suit yourself. Only you can decide how important it is to have the
>>>> data.


Problems with Standby/Hibernation can be do to many things. though I'm not
sure from your description what exactly the problem is with them as I don't
know what your mean by, "The problem is that some disks simply don't switch
on restart." One issue that affects standby/hibernation is drivers.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

Oops, it should be: "... don't SWITCH ON on restart..." (I'm net yelling
;-) ), ie. some disks stay switched off (as if they were without electricity
power) when I restart from standby/hibernation.

I'm affraid there's a problem with Microsoft driver for Promise Ultra as
described in my original post. Is there any chance that Microsoft will
update the driver?

Excuse me for my poor English, pls.

Vlado

"Rock" <(E-Mail Removed)> píse v diskusním príspevku
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> "Vladimír Cvajniga" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Any idea of Standby/Hibernation mode problem?
>>
>> "Rock" <(E-Mail Removed)> píse v diskusním príspevku
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> "Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote
>>>
>>>> Any idea what is the cause of data loss, Rock (MVP)?
>>>>
>>>> "Rock" <(E-Mail Removed)> píse v diskusním príspevku
>>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> "Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> First, I'd like to know the reason of data loss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rock"
>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Vladimír Cvajniga" wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Data loss: problem with copying files from Win98 to XP (FAT32) and
>>>>>>>> vice-versa
>>>>>>>> =========================================================
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a HD which was originally fdisk-ed to 3 FAT32 partitions via
>>>>>>>> Win98 boot diskette. I left some 20 GB unpartitioned.
>>>>>>>> After some time I've "discovered" unused 20 GB on that disk so I've
>>>>>>>> formatted it (4th partition) in WinXP (FAT32). But there was a
>>>>>>>> problem: in Win98 I couldn't see the files that I copied on that
>>>>>>>> disk in WinXP. So, in WinXP I made a backup of all files on the
>>>>>>>> disk, switched to Win98 and formatted it Win98 to FAT32. I've
>>>>>>>> chosen "Full format" but formatting was very fast, ie. much faster
>>>>>>>> that if I should have formatted it in DOS prompt.
>>>>>>>> Immediatelly after that I have MOVED data to that disk from one of
>>>>>>>> backuped folders. Luckily, I moved only one folder. Why "luckily"?
>>>>>>>> Because then I closed Win98 and started up WinXP I couldn't see any
>>>>>>>> folder (file) on the disk from XP. So I closed WinXP and started up
>>>>>>>> Win98 again. But, what the hell (!!!): my data (one folder) has
>>>>>>>> disappeared!!! Instead of data I can see something what we (in
>>>>>>>> Czech Republic) call "Chinese tea", see
>>>>>>>> http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_366lo.jpg.
>>>>>>>> The size of occupied space is OK (677 MB) - it was the size of all
>>>>>>>> data in the folder that I moved on that disk in previous Win98
>>>>>>>> session, see
>>>>>>>> http://img21.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_342lo.jpg.
>>>>>>>> This is information about the disk as shown in Win98's FDISK:
>>>>>>>> http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_319lo.jpg
>>>>>>>> http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_570lo.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Same info about same logical disk in Win XP:
>>>>>>>> http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?..._122_572lo.jpg
>>>>>>>> http://img167.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_573lo.jpg
>>>>>>>> http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_502lo.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Found.000 folder was created when I ran Win XP in safe mode.
>>>>>>>> Before I read all information about cross-cluster problem (plus
>>>>>>>> more blah-blahs on the screen) XP have created the "backup" folder
>>>>>>>> (Found.000). Of course, it's unusable AT ALL - I simply can't
>>>>>>>> imagine myself joining hundreds of small files using hexadecimal
>>>>>>>> editor. I'll delete Found.000 later, for sure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note: WinXP is installed on NTFS disk that's why disk mapping
>>>>>>>> differs form Win98:
>>>>>>>> 98 = L:
>>>>>>>> XP = P:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The questions are:
>>>>>>>> 1) Why this happens?
>>>>>>>> 2) How can I rescue the 677 MB in lost folder?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Additional note:
>>>>>>>> 1) I have Promise Ultra TX 100 in my computer. After that accident
>>>>>>>> I tried to download a newer driver form Western Digital. But WinXP
>>>>>>>> refused to install the driver saying that the current one (by
>>>>>>>> Microsoft) is better than the one I'm trying to install.
>>>>>>>> 2) In WinXP I can't use Standby Mode on my computer. Neither I can
>>>>>>>> hibernate the system. The problem is that some disks simply don't
>>>>>>>> switch on restart - of course, it may cause DATA LOSS (!!!) as it
>>>>>>>> once did, GRRRRRRRRRRR... :-(
>>>>>>>> 3) Accoustically, the swith off to Standby Mode (or hibernate) is
>>>>>>>> different from when I totally shut down WinXP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have tried to discuss the problem with Microsoft CZ tech support
>>>>>>>> but they know NOTHING about such problem. They recommended me not
>>>>>>>> to open disks with different file systems (NTFS & FAT32) in one
>>>>>>>> session... :-( ... Not a good advice, what do you mean?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IMHO, there must be some problem in WinXP Promise Ultra driver. The
>>>>>>>> problem that causes data loss... :-(
>>>>>>>> Or, hmmm, am I doing something wrong?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You might want to contact a data recovery service.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.ontrack.com
>>>>>>> www.drivesavers.com
>>>>>>> https://www.seagatedatarecovery.com/
>>>
>>>>> Suit yourself. Only you can decide how important it is to have the
>>>>> data.
>
>
> Problems with Standby/Hibernation can be do to many things. though I'm not
> sure from your description what exactly the problem is with them as I
> don't know what your mean by, "The problem is that some disks simply don't
> switch on restart." One issue that affects standby/hibernation is
> drivers.
>
> --
> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]