Donna B. posted yesterday that the "manual daily" MPAS-FE contained not only
definitions which had not yet been "pushed out" but also a new "engine"
version.

I'm not sure I like the idea of MS releasing a Full Engine Update for
"manual" updates independently of the update "pushed" out thru AU/WU on
Tuesdays and Thursdays.

This seems to imply a scenario where we will be discussing situations or
problems where people have different version numbers for Definitions AND
Engines.

Currently I have the latest version of the Engine and Definitions as of
Thursday (auto update or delta link)

"A" has the "current version" of the Defs as of "Friday" by doing a manual
update and a newer version of the Defs but has the same Engine as me.

"B" has updated Manually on Saturday when the Manual update has not only
still newer Defs but also a New Engine version.

So,

I have Engine "1001" and defs "1501"
"B" has Engine "1001" and defs "1502"
"C" has Engine "1002" and defs "1503"

I can see confusion here.

Also, if I Manually download the "Full w/ New Engine" on Saturday but not
the "Full w/ Just New Defs" on Sun and Mon will AU/WU on Tues still offer me
an "MPas-Delta" when the "Full w/ New Engine" is pushed out by MS using AU/WU?

I will be confused.
(not that that is anything new ]

?:-)
Tim

This only proves that Ms needs to have a policy of updates. Daily
updates should include only definition files while weekly updates, say
on Fridays, should include definitions as well as engine updates.

Tim Clark wrote:
>
> Donna B. posted yesterday that the "manual daily" MPAS-FE contained not only
> definitions which had not yet been "pushed out" but also a new "engine"
> version.
>
> I'm not sure I like the idea of MS releasing a Full Engine Update for
> "manual" updates independently of the update "pushed" out thru AU/WU on
> Tuesdays and Thursdays.
>
> This seems to imply a scenario where we will be discussing situations or
> problems where people have different version numbers for Definitions AND
> Engines.
>
> Currently I have the latest version of the Engine and Definitions as of
> Thursday (auto update or delta link)
>
> "A" has the "current version" of the Defs as of "Friday" by doing a manual
> update and a newer version of the Defs but has the same Engine as me.
>
> "B" has updated Manually on Saturday when the Manual update has not only
> still newer Defs but also a New Engine version.
>
> So,
>
> I have Engine "1001" and defs "1501"
> "B" has Engine "1001" and defs "1502"
> "C" has Engine "1002" and defs "1503"
>
> I can see confusion here.
>
> Also, if I Manually download the "Full w/ New Engine" on Saturday but not
> the "Full w/ Just New Defs" on Sun and Mon will AU/WU on Tues still offer me
> an "MPas-Delta" when the "Full w/ New Engine" is pushed out by MS using AU/WU?
>
> I will be confused.
> (not that that is anything new ]
>
> ?:-)
> Tim

If I am not mistaken, MS been doing this "engine" update together with
definition update before thru "pushed".

I doubt you will receive the pushed defs update and engine if you already
have the latest engine and definitions because that's what I noticed here
myself. In one of my system that follows the 'manual, daily defs', AU/WU
don't offer me the defs update which is expected because I already have the
current defs. It will offer only thru AU/WU if I stop following the 'manual,
daily defs' and if the installed 'defs' is older.

Hope this helps :-)
--
Regards,
Donna Buenaventura
http://www.msmvps.com/donna - SecurityFlash
http://cou.dozleng.com - Calendar of Updates


"Tim Clark" wrote:

> Donna B. posted yesterday that the "manual daily" MPAS-FE contained not only
> definitions which had not yet been "pushed out" but also a new "engine"
> version.
>
> I'm not sure I like the idea of MS releasing a Full Engine Update for
> "manual" updates independently of the update "pushed" out thru AU/WU on
> Tuesdays and Thursdays.
>
> This seems to imply a scenario where we will be discussing situations or
> problems where people have different version numbers for Definitions AND
> Engines.
>
> Currently I have the latest version of the Engine and Definitions as of
> Thursday (auto update or delta link)
>
> "A" has the "current version" of the Defs as of "Friday" by doing a manual
> update and a newer version of the Defs but has the same Engine as me.
>
> "B" has updated Manually on Saturday when the Manual update has not only
> still newer Defs but also a New Engine version.
>
> So,
>
> I have Engine "1001" and defs "1501"
> "B" has Engine "1001" and defs "1502"
> "C" has Engine "1002" and defs "1503"
>
> I can see confusion here.
>
> Also, if I Manually download the "Full w/ New Engine" on Saturday but not
> the "Full w/ Just New Defs" on Sun and Mon will AU/WU on Tues still offer me
> an "MPas-Delta" when the "Full w/ New Engine" is pushed out by MS using AU/WU?
>
> I will be confused.
> (not that that is anything new ]
>
> ?:-)
> Tim

Donna: My Windows Defender "About" shows a version number (1.1.1593.0) more
recent thant the version shown on the latest release version (1.1.1592.0)
shown on
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...ckversion.mspx. I checked both release versions on 6/18/07 at 10 am EDT.
--
I'm just a poor litle newbie.


"Donna Buenaventura" wrote:

> If I am not mistaken, MS been doing this "engine" update together with
> definition update before thru "pushed".
>
> I doubt you will receive the pushed defs update and engine if you already
> have the latest engine and definitions because that's what I noticed here
> myself. In one of my system that follows the 'manual, daily defs', AU/WU
> don't offer me the defs update which is expected because I already have the
> current defs. It will offer only thru AU/WU if I stop following the 'manual,
> daily defs' and if the installed 'defs' is older.
>
> Hope this helps :-)
> --
> Regards,
> Donna Buenaventura
> http://www.msmvps.com/donna - SecurityFlash
> http://cou.dozleng.com - Calendar of Updates
>
>
> "Tim Clark" wrote:
>
> > Donna B. posted yesterday that the "manual daily" MPAS-FE contained not only
> > definitions which had not yet been "pushed out" but also a new "engine"
> > version.
> >
> > I'm not sure I like the idea of MS releasing a Full Engine Update for
> > "manual" updates independently of the update "pushed" out thru AU/WU on
> > Tuesdays and Thursdays.
> >
> > This seems to imply a scenario where we will be discussing situations or
> > problems where people have different version numbers for Definitions AND
> > Engines.
> >
> > Currently I have the latest version of the Engine and Definitions as of
> > Thursday (auto update or delta link)
> >
> > "A" has the "current version" of the Defs as of "Friday" by doing a manual
> > update and a newer version of the Defs but has the same Engine as me.
> >
> > "B" has updated Manually on Saturday when the Manual update has not only
> > still newer Defs but also a New Engine version.
> >
> > So,
> >
> > I have Engine "1001" and defs "1501"
> > "B" has Engine "1001" and defs "1502"
> > "C" has Engine "1002" and defs "1503"
> >
> > I can see confusion here.
> >
> > Also, if I Manually download the "Full w/ New Engine" on Saturday but not
> > the "Full w/ Just New Defs" on Sun and Mon will AU/WU on Tues still offer me
> > an "MPas-Delta" when the "Full w/ New Engine" is pushed out by MS using AU/WU?
> >
> > I will be confused.
> > (not that that is anything new ]
> >
> > ?:-)
> > Tim

Yes, you are using the current Program version of Windows
Defender(http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en)
The said link you've provided has old info and has not been revised by MS.

--
Regards,
Donna Buenaventura
http://www.msmvps.com/donna - SecurityFlash
http://cou.dozleng.com - Calendar of Updates


"Newbie" wrote:

> Donna: My Windows Defender "About" shows a version number (1.1.1593.0) more
> recent thant the version shown on the latest release version (1.1.1592.0)
> shown on
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...ckversion.mspx. I checked both release versions on 6/18/07 at 10 am EDT.
> --
> I'm just a poor litle newbie.
>
>
> "Donna Buenaventura" wrote:
>
> > If I am not mistaken, MS been doing this "engine" update together with
> > definition update before thru "pushed".
> >
> > I doubt you will receive the pushed defs update and engine if you already
> > have the latest engine and definitions because that's what I noticed here
> > myself. In one of my system that follows the 'manual, daily defs', AU/WU
> > don't offer me the defs update which is expected because I already have the
> > current defs. It will offer only thru AU/WU if I stop following the 'manual,
> > daily defs' and if the installed 'defs' is older.
> >
> > Hope this helps :-)
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Donna Buenaventura
> > http://www.msmvps.com/donna - SecurityFlash
> > http://cou.dozleng.com - Calendar of Updates
> >
> >
> > "Tim Clark" wrote:
> >
> > > Donna B. posted yesterday that the "manual daily" MPAS-FE contained not only
> > > definitions which had not yet been "pushed out" but also a new "engine"
> > > version.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure I like the idea of MS releasing a Full Engine Update for
> > > "manual" updates independently of the update "pushed" out thru AU/WU on
> > > Tuesdays and Thursdays.
> > >
> > > This seems to imply a scenario where we will be discussing situations or
> > > problems where people have different version numbers for Definitions AND
> > > Engines.
> > >
> > > Currently I have the latest version of the Engine and Definitions as of
> > > Thursday (auto update or delta link)
> > >
> > > "A" has the "current version" of the Defs as of "Friday" by doing a manual
> > > update and a newer version of the Defs but has the same Engine as me.
> > >
> > > "B" has updated Manually on Saturday when the Manual update has not only
> > > still newer Defs but also a New Engine version.
> > >
> > > So,
> > >
> > > I have Engine "1001" and defs "1501"
> > > "B" has Engine "1001" and defs "1502"
> > > "C" has Engine "1002" and defs "1503"
> > >
> > > I can see confusion here.
> > >
> > > Also, if I Manually download the "Full w/ New Engine" on Saturday but not
> > > the "Full w/ Just New Defs" on Sun and Mon will AU/WU on Tues still offer me
> > > an "MPas-Delta" when the "Full w/ New Engine" is pushed out by MS using AU/WU?
> > >
> > > I will be confused.
> > > (not that that is anything new ]
> > >
> > > ?:-)
> > > Tim