Hi!

Is anyone else here using old KPF v2.1.5, Windows XP SP2, and with this
KB951748? If so, then are you seeing any problems like Windows Explorer
crashing randomly (e.g., ntdll.dll) when using Windows Explorer?

I uninstalled this KB update and restarted explorer.exe (it crashed
actually and I needed to reboot PC), but no crashes now so far. Hmm!

Thank you in advance.
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Ant wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Is anyone else here using old KPF v2.1.5, Windows XP SP2, and with this
> KB951748? If so, then are you seeing any problems like Windows Explorer
> crashing randomly (e.g., ntdll.dll) when using Windows Explorer?
>
> I uninstalled this KB update and restarted explorer.exe (it crashed
> actually and I needed to reboot PC), but no crashes now so far. Hmm!
>
> Thank you in advance.

KB951748 did update a whole bunch of files involved with your internet
connection. It took down and PC with ZoneAlarm firewall, no internet
connecton, and the fix for that is to get an updated version of ZA they
released yesterday.

I've also heard that other firewall programs have had issues, but I
don't know what vendors.

But the issue with ZoneAlarm has been that the firewall latches into one
of the dll's to do its duty, and when the MS update changed the file ZA
software failed to acknowledge the change and kept using an old version.
Or that's a revised version of problem.

This is not a solution for you, but might give you some ideas. Also
there was no crash, just a failure to connect to the internet, like you
unplugged your cable. IE still seemed to work.

HTH. Al.

If you (1) unintall KPF v2.1.5, (2) enable the Windows Firewall, and then
(3) reinstall KB951478, does the behavior persist?
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Ant wrote:
> Is anyone else here using old KPF v2.1.5, Windows XP SP2, and with this
> KB951748? If so, then are you seeing any problems like Windows Explorer
> crashing randomly (e.g., ntdll.dll) when using Windows Explorer?
>
> I uninstalled this KB update and restarted explorer.exe (it crashed
> actually and I needed to reboot PC), but no crashes now so far. Hmm!

Ant wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Is anyone else here using old KPF v2.1.5, Windows XP SP2, and with this
> KB951748? If so, then are you seeing any problems like Windows Explorer
> crashing randomly (e.g., ntdll.dll) when using Windows Explorer?
>
> I uninstalled this KB update and restarted explorer.exe (it crashed
> actually and I needed to reboot PC), but no crashes now so far. Hmm!
>
> Thank you in advance.


The update is to the networking files of XP. Explorer may be crashing
because you may need to reset Permissions for it from within Kerio.

MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]
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On 7/11/2008 12:47 PM PT, MowGreen [MVP] wrote:

>> Is anyone else here using old KPF v2.1.5, Windows XP SP2, and with
>> this KB951748? If so, then are you seeing any problems like Windows
>> Explorer crashing randomly (e.g., ntdll.dll) when using Windows Explorer?
>>
>> I uninstalled this KB update and restarted explorer.exe (it crashed
>> actually and I needed to reboot PC), but no crashes now so far. Hmm!
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>
> The update is to the networking files of XP. Explorer may be crashing
> because you may need to reset Permissions for it from within Kerio.

Hmm, I do use the simple LAN file sharing with a Linux/Debian box
(Samba). According to
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r207...48-Kerio-forum
.... majority didn't have problems but one did with his DNS resolution. I
wonder if Explorer is calling out even though I use hosts and my old
Netgear RT311 router (firmware from 2002 or so).
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On 7/11/2008 10:59 AM PT, Big_Al wrote:

>> Is anyone else here using old KPF v2.1.5, Windows XP SP2, and with
>> this KB951748? If so, then are you seeing any problems like Windows
>> Explorer crashing randomly (e.g., ntdll.dll) when using Windows Explorer?
>>
>> I uninstalled this KB update and restarted explorer.exe (it crashed
>> actually and I needed to reboot PC), but no crashes now so far. Hmm!
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>
> KB951748 did update a whole bunch of files involved with your internet
> connection. It took down and PC with ZoneAlarm firewall, no internet
> connecton, and the fix for that is to get an updated version of ZA they
> released yesterday.
>
> I've also heard that other firewall programs have had issues, but I
> don't know what vendors.
>
> But the issue with ZoneAlarm has been that the firewall latches into one
> of the dll's to do its duty, and when the MS update changed the file ZA
> software failed to acknowledge the change and kept using an old version.
> Or that's a revised version of problem.
>
> This is not a solution for you, but might give you some ideas. Also
> there was no crash, just a failure to connect to the internet, like you
> unplugged your cable. IE still seemed to work.

Thanks. Perhaps Explorer is doing something with DNS. I do use the
Internet and LAN file sharing with a Debian/Linux box, but I use hosts
files for lookups internally.
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Senior Software Quality Assurance Analyst
ISP/Symantec Online Services, Consumer Business Unit
Symantec Corporation
www.symantec.com
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On 7/11/2008 11:51 AM PT, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> If you (1) unintall KPF v2.1.5, (2) enable the Windows Firewall, and
> then (3) reinstall KB951478, does the behavior persist?

I will try that if I get desperate. I don't like using Windows Firewall
due to missing output blockages. Hence why I use KPF.
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How do output blockages help you?


: I will try that if I get desperate. I don't like using Windows Firewall
: due to missing output blockages. Hence why I use KPF.
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Yes, running XP Pro SP2 & KPF v2.1.5.
Installed KB951748 from WU on 7/9/08 with no problems...
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"Ant" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:e$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi!
>
> Is anyone else here using old KPF v2.1.5, Windows XP SP2, and with
> this KB951748? If so, then are you seeing any problems like Windows
> Explorer crashing randomly (e.g., ntdll.dll) when using Windows
> Explorer?
>
> I uninstalled this KB update and restarted explorer.exe (it crashed
> actually and I needed to reboot PC), but no crashes now so far. Hmm!
>
> Thank you in advance.
> --
> "I don't know how good ants are at swimmin', but I'd be willing to bet
> that a good fire'd get their attention." --MacGyver in Trumbo's World
> episode
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> Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer.

I like to block network programs that should be contact home or whatever.


On 7/11/2008 2:17 PM PT, Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:

> How do output blockages help you?
>
>
> : I will try that if I get desperate. I don't like using Windows Firewall
> : due to missing output blockages. Hence why I use KPF.
--
Phillip Pi (aka Ant)
Senior Software Quality Assurance Analyst
ISP/Symantec Online Services, Consumer Business Unit
Symantec Corporation
www.symantec.com
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