Does anyone is so expert to know how much does it cost (about) a full color
A4 print with these printers:
Canon i950
Epson 950
Epson 2100

I'm going to buy one of that and I would like to know how if I will spend
more or less with the printers up here, compared whit my old epson 870.
Thanks

--
Gigi

Taliesyn <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Have you considered refilling? With the money you'll save you can
> buy all three printers in a couple of years. :-)
>

Ok you are right, I never try a refilling sistem.
Now the question become: what about the special ink of the 2100
("pigmentazione" in italian)? Does a refill sistem exist also for that? i
don't think so, or better I don't think some one produce an alternative ink
for 2100 that make you sure to have good colors after years. So now my "to
be or not to be" question is: cheap and not durable (is "durable" a right
word??) or expensive and all life guaranted colors?
And coming back to my first question: how much more I will spend with the
2100 (considering the special ink) for each print compared with a normal
(not refilled) epson?

--
Gigi

GigiVega wrote:
> Taliesyn <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>
>>Have you considered refilling? With the money you'll save you can
>>buy all three printers in a couple of years. :-)
>>
>
> Ok you are right, I never try a refilling sistem.
> Now the question become: what about the special ink of the 2100
> ("pigmentazione" in italian)? Does a refill sistem exist also for that? i
> don't think so, or better I don't think some one produce an alternative ink
> for 2100 that make you sure to have good colors after years.

I don't know, check the Internet for dealers of Epson 2100 ink.

So now my "to
> be or not to be" question is: cheap and not durable (is "durable" a right
> word??) or expensive and all life guaranted colors?

It's costing me maybe a couple of pennies for a 4x6, so I really
couldn't care if it fades in 2, 5, 10 or 20 years from now. All my
photos are saved on CD. If I ever want to reprint any, it certainly
won't cost me an arm and a leg. And no one guarantees all life
colors. I had a genuine Canon ink and paper photo on my wall and
it lost half its color in 3 months. I'm sure if you put them in
a dark photo album they will last longer. I'm not using Canon ink
nor paper any more, so my prints will now last longer. ;-) And for
paper, check eBay, some great papers at a fraction of genuine
paper cost are available.

> And coming back to my first question: how much more I will spend with the
> 2100 (considering the special ink) for each print compared with a normal
> (not refilled) epson?

I'm not qualified to answer that question, I have a Canon.

-Taliesyn

Actually your cost estimate may be a little on the high side, but by all
means it is vastly better than OEM ink prices or even the cost of third
party tanks. I have an s820 which has 6 tanks vs. the 4 in an i850. Both the
s820 and the i950 use the same BCI-6 tanks. BCI-3 as in the i850 and BCI-6
tanks are identical in size and capacity. The only difference is ink
formulations which are different for the two types of printers. Both the
supplier you reference and the one I use appear to use bulk ink from
Formulabs which is one of, if not, the best maker of inks. Because I
purchased my ink in 1 pint bottles (480 cc's) that works out to 2880 cc's
for a set of six bottles. I can usually print about 40 full coverage 8.5 x
11 sheets before needing to refill when the first low ink warning pops up.
At that time I install my entire #2 set of cartridges and then refill the
entire set #1. Two of the cartridges will usually take 5cc's to top off the
ink reservoir, 3 will take 3 cc's and one takes 2 cc's. This is a total
consumption of 21 cc's. I paid less than $70 U.S. incl shipping for the six
pints which works out to about 50¢ per refilling session after printing 40
sheets. My net cost is approx. 1.2¢ per sheet. Ink purchased in smaller
quantities will cost more per ounce, but by any estimate it is a great cost
savings. I do a very large amount of printing and have easily saved the cost
of several printers since the first of the year. The i950 should be
equivalent in consumption to the s820, so the original poster can easily get
an idea that even buying some of the most expensive bulk refill inks, his
costs per page will be extremely low. I know he was asking for comparisons
on Canon and Epson models, but because of my total satisfaction with Canon,
I won't even consider any other inkjet.
--
Ron Cohen
(E-Mail Removed)
"Taliesyn" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> GigiVega wrote:
> > Does anyone is so expert to know how much does it cost (about) a full
color
> > A4 print with these printers:
> > Canon i950
> > Epson 950
> > Epson 2100
> >
> > I'm going to buy one of that and I would like to know how if I will
spend
> > more or less with the printers up here, compared whit my old epson 870.
> > Thanks
> >
>
> Your English is 100% better than my Italian!
>
> Have you considered refilling? With the money you'll save you can
> buy all three printers in a couple of years. :-)
>
> I refill my Canon i850 cartridges with quality bulk ink and figure it
> costs me about 5 cents (an estimate) to print an A4 size picture. With
> the money I'm saving I should be able to move up to an i950, or later
> model, next year. (I don't need 3 printers!)
>
> I use bulk ink from Atlantic Inkjet. I honestly cannot see a difference
> in photos between Canon ink and ink from Atlantic Inkjet.
>
> http://www.atlanticinkjet.com/
>
> -Taliesyn
>

Ron Cohen wrote:
> Actually your cost estimate may be a little on the high side, but by all
> means it is vastly better than OEM ink prices or even the cost of third
> party tanks. I have an s820 which has 6 tanks vs. the 4 in an i850. Both the
> s820 and the i950 use the same BCI-6 tanks. BCI-3 as in the i850 and BCI-6
> tanks are identical in size and capacity. The only difference is ink
> formulations which are different for the two types of printers. Both the
> supplier you reference and the one I use appear to use bulk ink from
> Formulabs which is one of, if not, the best maker of inks. Because I
> purchased my ink in 1 pint bottles (480 cc's) that works out to 2880 cc's
> for a set of six bottles. I can usually print about 40 full coverage 8.5 x
> 11 sheets before needing to refill when the first low ink warning pops up.
> At that time I install my entire #2 set of cartridges and then refill the
> entire set #1. Two of the cartridges will usually take 5cc's to top off the
> ink reservoir, 3 will take 3 cc's and one takes 2 cc's. This is a total
> consumption of 21 cc's. I paid less than $70 U.S. incl shipping for the six
> pints which works out to about 50¢ per refilling session after printing 40
> sheets. My net cost is approx. 1.2¢ per sheet. Ink purchased in smaller
> quantities will cost more per ounce, but by any estimate it is a great cost
> savings. I do a very large amount of printing and have easily saved the cost
> of several printers since the first of the year. The i950 should be
> equivalent in consumption to the s820, so the original poster can easily get
> an idea that even buying some of the most expensive bulk refill inks, his
> costs per page will be extremely low. I know he was asking for comparisons
> on Canon and Epson models, but because of my total satisfaction with Canon,
> I won't even consider any other inkjet.

Great post! My cost estimate was only a rough guess. Yes, I would
definitely save even more by buying the quart/litre size, a saving
of a further $18 (CDN) per colour (that's like getting 4 free 250 ml
bottles). I don't know if it's true, but I seem to recall reading
somewhere that Formulabs supplied one or more of the Big 4 printer
makers. Is this possible?

I also like your method of rotating complete sets of cartridges. This
way you don't have to stop 4 times to fill an individual cartridge. By
the way, I use tiny 2-56 x 1/8 stainless steel set screws (about the
size of this letter "I") to seal the holes. They seem to work great and
look attractive... A lot better looking than a gob of glue from a glue
gun.

-Taliesyn

Ron Cohen <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Actually your cost estimate may be a little on the high side, but by all
> means it is vastly better than OEM ink prices or even the cost of third
> party tanks. I have an s820 which has 6 tanks vs. the 4 in an i850.

Very exhaustive post, thanks.

--
Gigi

Relax, none of the prints I've created on the s820 since last fall have
shown any sign of fading and some are in not the best places for print
longevity. FWIW, I also have an older BJC-3000 which uses the BCI-3
cartridges (same as the i850). Prints made several years ago still look like
they did the day they were printed. Be sure to use a decent photo paper. In
the US, Red River and Office Depot are priced way less than Canon paper and
give outstanding results. Ilford Gallerie is now available at Sam's for less
than $25/100 sheets.

--
Ron Cohen
(E-Mail Removed)
"GigiVega" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:NHuQa.44005$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Taliesyn <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > It's costing me maybe a couple of pennies for a 4x6, so I really
> > couldn't care if it fades in 2, 5, 10 or 20 years from now. All my
> > photos are saved on CD. If I ever want to reprint any, it certainly
> > won't cost me an arm and a leg. And no one guarantees all life
> > colors. I had a genuine Canon ink and paper photo on my wall and
> > it lost half its color in 3 months.
>
> 3 mounth??? That's pretty soon! Are you trying to scarry me? :-)
> I have for sure prints (Epson 870) of 2 years ago which seem (I say SEEM)
> the same as when I printed them.
> I had almost choose... now you put me back in the limbo!!! tell me you was
> joking! ;-)
>
> --
> Vitor
> (discontinuo è meglio di "continuamente mediocre")
> (Dortmund on my mind)
>
>

The canons will definitely be cheaper than the epsons from my experience
based on the single-cartridge vs. multiple cartridge systems.

I know the Epson 2100 uses separate cartridges, but I don't know about their
cost or how long they last. I just know my i950 has been far, far cheaper
to use than my Epson 1270 or 820.

-Larry

"GigiVega" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:k2kQa.25896$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Does anyone is so expert to know how much does it cost (about) a full
color
> A4 print with these printers:
> Canon i950
> Epson 950
> Epson 2100
>
> I'm going to buy one of that and I would like to know how if I will spend
> more or less with the printers up here, compared whit my old epson 870.
> Thanks
>
> --
> Gigi
>
>

Damn, Ron. Been thinking about this, have you?



-Larry

"Ron Cohen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:bet7hg$gbn$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Actually your cost estimate may be a little on the high side, but by all
> means it is vastly better than OEM ink prices or even the cost of third
> party tanks. I have an s820 which has 6 tanks vs. the 4 in an i850. Both
the
> s820 and the i950 use the same BCI-6 tanks. BCI-3 as in the i850 and BCI-6
> tanks are identical in size and capacity. The only difference is ink
> formulations which are different for the two types of printers. Both the
> supplier you reference and the one I use appear to use bulk ink from
> Formulabs which is one of, if not, the best maker of inks. Because I
> purchased my ink in 1 pint bottles (480 cc's) that works out to 2880 cc's
> for a set of six bottles. I can usually print about 40 full coverage 8.5 x
> 11 sheets before needing to refill when the first low ink warning pops up.
> At that time I install my entire #2 set of cartridges and then refill the
> entire set #1. Two of the cartridges will usually take 5cc's to top off
the
> ink reservoir, 3 will take 3 cc's and one takes 2 cc's. This is a total
> consumption of 21 cc's. I paid less than $70 U.S. incl shipping for the
six
> pints which works out to about 50¢ per refilling session after printing 40
> sheets. My net cost is approx. 1.2¢ per sheet. Ink purchased in smaller
> quantities will cost more per ounce, but by any estimate it is a great
cost
> savings. I do a very large amount of printing and have easily saved the
cost
> of several printers since the first of the year. The i950 should be
> equivalent in consumption to the s820, so the original poster can easily
get
> an idea that even buying some of the most expensive bulk refill inks, his
> costs per page will be extremely low. I know he was asking for comparisons
> on Canon and Epson models, but because of my total satisfaction with
Canon,
> I won't even consider any other inkjet.
> --
> Ron Cohen
> (E-Mail Removed)
> "Taliesyn" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > GigiVega wrote:
> > > Does anyone is so expert to know how much does it cost (about) a full
> color
> > > A4 print with these printers:
> > > Canon i950
> > > Epson 950
> > > Epson 2100
> > >
> > > I'm going to buy one of that and I would like to know how if I will
> spend
> > > more or less with the printers up here, compared whit my old epson
870.
> > > Thanks
> > >
> >
> > Your English is 100% better than my Italian!
> >
> > Have you considered refilling? With the money you'll save you can
> > buy all three printers in a couple of years. :-)
> >
> > I refill my Canon i850 cartridges with quality bulk ink and figure it
> > costs me about 5 cents (an estimate) to print an A4 size picture. With
> > the money I'm saving I should be able to move up to an i950, or later
> > model, next year. (I don't need 3 printers!)
> >
> > I use bulk ink from Atlantic Inkjet. I honestly cannot see a difference
> > in photos between Canon ink and ink from Atlantic Inkjet.
> >
> > http://www.atlanticinkjet.com/
> >
> > -Taliesyn
> >
>
>

I'll almost guarantee the 2100 will be the most expensive. So much so I bought an i850 because the
2100 costs so much to print I now ONLY use it for DVD printing now (I have little need for A3 and
archival printing, I just wanted a DVD printer for my video productions). I swear a full A3 photo
print would have cost about US $10-15 based on the carts drop after the first one (I couldn't afford
to continue to test).

It may have high quality ink, and be A3 capable, but after one A3 photo, 2-3 A4's and a few other
misc test prints the carts were around 3/4 empty. That's 7 carts at AUS$25 for a total cost of
AUS$175 or US$115. I'm sure its a bit better elsewhere but I can only source the carts full retail
at the moment :-(

I think it is quite obvious that while the carts are large, they contain little ink. I've seen one
taken apart, and most of it is plastic and anti refill design.

shame on Epson

"Larry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:z5ZRa.12568$N%3.12367@lakeread01...
> The canons will definitely be cheaper than the epsons from my experience
> based on the single-cartridge vs. multiple cartridge systems.
>
> I know the Epson 2100 uses separate cartridges, but I don't know about their
> cost or how long they last. I just know my i950 has been far, far cheaper
> to use than my Epson 1270 or 820.
>
> -Larry
>
> "GigiVega" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:k2kQa.25896$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Does anyone is so expert to know how much does it cost (about) a full
> color
> > A4 print with these printers:
> > Canon i950
> > Epson 950
> > Epson 2100
> >
> > I'm going to buy one of that and I would like to know how if I will spend
> > more or less with the printers up here, compared whit my old epson 870.
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > Gigi
> >
> >
>
>