THis is the response I got from someone from whose web site I wanted to copy
photos and use them on my web site. My single page website has the first 2
sections used for non profit Christian information and copied photos and the
bottom 1/3 of the web page I put inforamation about contact regarding a low
price computer cleaning and service home based business.

When I want to use a photo from someone else web site and stating "The
photos used on this website are used through "Fair Use" - to use Copyrighted
Material for educational and/or on-profit use." Is this enough for me to use
the copied photos legally?


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umwhat wrote:
> THis is the response I got from someone from whose web site I wanted to copy
> photos and use them on my web site. My single page website has the first 2
> sections used for non profit Christian information and copied photos and the
> bottom 1/3 of the web page I put inforamation about contact regarding a low
> price computer cleaning and service home based business.
>
> When I want to use a photo from someone else web site and stating "The
> photos used on this website are used through "Fair Use" - to use Copyrighted
> Material for educational and/or on-profit use." Is this enough for me to use
> the copied photos legally?
>
>


No, not even close. You need the copyright owner's express permission
to use his/her intellectual property for any such advertising purposes.
"Fair Use" is a very narrowly defined legal term, and you're no where
close to meeting any of the criteria.

Stanford Copyright & Fair Use Center
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/

U.S. Copyright Office - Fair Use
http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html



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The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

I'm sure you'd get many responses to that question.However,in basic
law standards,you would be in violation because youre "distributing" to
the genral public "in one way or another"..Copying photos,articles,etc, for
personal use only,would be ok..

"umwhat" wrote:

> THis is the response I got from someone from whose web site I wanted to copy
> photos and use them on my web site. My single page website has the first 2
> sections used for non profit Christian information and copied photos and the
> bottom 1/3 of the web page I put inforamation about contact regarding a low
> price computer cleaning and service home based business.
>
> When I want to use a photo from someone else web site and stating "The
> photos used on this website are used through "Fair Use" - to use Copyrighted
> Material for educational and/or on-profit use." Is this enough for me to use
> the copied photos legally?
>
>
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> ...scribble scribble scribble...

Thank you for replying to my post.
What I have done is copy photos taken of the discovery of the Noah's Ark.
Recently I came to know God in an enlightened mode.....and I have experienced
an instant sensation of a physical healing recently and my time is now
beginning to fill with Christian this and Christian that and there is not a
moment I am not experiencing a Holy Spirit time.
Having seen the photos of Noah's Ark and understanding the relevence of the
find, which has really never gone unnoticed since it was built if you look at
the numbers of people who have recorded something about it throughout
recorded history in the Bible and including the time after the birth and
death of Jesus Christ, you may begin to understand how I would really be
pleased to have access to legal use of the photos I copied and even use them
anywhere really.
At the moment they are all on my now commercial web site and the original
copies I made are still onmy computer. I think my web site is a commercial
website although my original intent was to use the website for a local
computer servicing contact point for possible future clients.
So I put my computer business information at the bottom of that web site
page and put all the Christian information at the top.
But I think once I have added anything commercial on the same webpage as
the Christian photos I copied the photos may be getting classified as for
commercial gain.
What can you advise me about this?
I could move all the Christian information to my Microsoft's free web site
MySpaces but what about the photos I could copy to there. Would the MySpaces
website still make my use of any copied photos illegal?
I have found the website I copied the photos from and will do my very best
to ask the owner what legal rights I am entitled to or what the owner can
grant me but if I can not find the owner I suppose I should just show off the
photos to friends and aquaintances.
What about using links to other peoples websites such as to the website the
original photos are?
Thank you for your help already.

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"Andrew E." wrote:

> I'm sure you'd get many responses to that question.However,in basic
> law standards,you would be in violation because youre "distributing" to
> the genral public "in one way or another"..Copying photos,articles,etc, for
> personal use only,would be ok..
>
> "umwhat" wrote:
>
> > THis is the response I got from someone from whose web site I wanted to copy
> > photos and use them on my web site. My single page website has the first 2
> > sections used for non profit Christian information and copied photos and the
> > bottom 1/3 of the web page I put inforamation about contact regarding a low
> > price computer cleaning and service home based business.
> >
> > When I want to use a photo from someone else web site and stating "The
> > photos used on this website are used through "Fair Use" - to use Copyrighted
> > Material for educational and/or on-profit use." Is this enough for me to use
> > the copied photos legally?
> >
> >
> > --
> > ...scribble scribble scribble...

You are in violation of the law when you take any content from another
website without express permission. Many sites have their images digitally
watermarked, so they can track where they are.



"umwhat" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:F5099120-5FC5-4947-8194-(E-Mail Removed)...
: Thank you for replying to my post.
: What I have done is copy photos taken of the discovery of the Noah's Ark.
: Recently I came to know God in an enlightened mode.....and I have
experienced
: an instant sensation of a physical healing recently and my time is now
: beginning to fill with Christian this and Christian that and there is not
a
: moment I am not experiencing a Holy Spirit time.
: Having seen the photos of Noah's Ark and understanding the relevence of
the
: find, which has really never gone unnoticed since it was built if you look
at
: the numbers of people who have recorded something about it throughout
: recorded history in the Bible and including the time after the birth and
: death of Jesus Christ, you may begin to understand how I would really be
: pleased to have access to legal use of the photos I copied and even use
them
: anywhere really.
: At the moment they are all on my now commercial web site and the original
: copies I made are still onmy computer. I think my web site is a commercial
: website although my original intent was to use the website for a local
: computer servicing contact point for possible future clients.
: So I put my computer business information at the bottom of that web site
: page and put all the Christian information at the top.
: But I think once I have added anything commercial on the same webpage as
: the Christian photos I copied the photos may be getting classified as for
: commercial gain.
: What can you advise me about this?
: I could move all the Christian information to my Microsoft's free web site
: MySpaces but what about the photos I could copy to there. Would the
MySpaces
: website still make my use of any copied photos illegal?
: I have found the website I copied the photos from and will do my very best
: to ask the owner what legal rights I am entitled to or what the owner can
: grant me but if I can not find the owner I suppose I should just show off
the
: photos to friends and aquaintances.
: What about using links to other peoples websites such as to the website
the
: original photos are?
: Thank you for your help already.
:
: --
: ...scribble scribble scribble...
:
:
: "Andrew E." wrote:
:
: > I'm sure you'd get many responses to that question.However,in basic
: > law standards,you would be in violation because youre "distributing" to
: > the genral public "in one way or another"..Copying photos,articles,etc,
for
: > personal use only,would be ok..
: >
: > "umwhat" wrote:
: >
: > > THis is the response I got from someone from whose web site I wanted
to copy
: > > photos and use them on my web site. My single page website has the
first 2
: > > sections used for non profit Christian information and copied photos
and the
: > > bottom 1/3 of the web page I put inforamation about contact regarding
a low
: > > price computer cleaning and service home based business.
: > >
: > > When I want to use a photo from someone else web site and stating "The
: > > photos used on this website are used through "Fair Use" - to use
Copyrighted
: > > Material for educational and/or on-profit use." Is this enough for me
to use
: > > the copied photos legally?
: > >
: > >
: > > --
: > > ...scribble scribble scribble...

umwhat wrote:

<snip - bunch of unrelated stuff trying to use a "religious" excuse>
> ... I would really be
> pleased to have access to legal use of the photos I copied and even use them
> anywhere really. ...

So if you were the Christian you profess then you wish to do no harm or
injury to others. What is so hard about ASKING the source if you can
*duplicate* their pictures (since you are obviously not linking to
them)? When you had to borrow your Dad's car before you got your own,
you actually just took it without permission, or did you ask? Even if
you clean it up afterward, do you wander into your neighbor's garage and
steal their yard rake and then return it later, and all without
permission by its owner?

umwhat wrote:

> ... copied the photos may be getting classified as for commercial gain.

Copyright does not limit itself to just gain. You may receive
absolutely no gain from your copyright infringement. It may even cost
you money for which you receive no remuneration. Doesn't matter.
Copyright laws are not just about you making money on stealing other
people's property. Stealing your neighbor's lawn mower and not selling
it afforded you no gain but doesn't obviate the theft.

It seems the Microsoft "Notify me of replies" is not working.
Ok, I understand. It is not enough for me to write a note on my
website..... "The photos used on this website are used through "Fair Use" -
ie: to use Copyrighted Material for educational and or non profit use." until
the owners consent to my use of their material.
I have sent an email to the webmaster where I snatched the photos and
pictures but have had no reply from them. I sent the email about 3 weeks ago.
I will remove all the snatched pictures and photos today and wait for
responses.
I was cheeky enough to say in my email, "I may have thought that Christian
material and especially shared Christian material amongst Christians for non
profit purposes may be legal" and ried to suggest with my bad english it
owuld be a good thing for Christians to do anyway.....but I did suggest in
the email that was only a personal thought.
Thank you all.


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"Bruce Chambers" wrote:

> umwhat wrote:
> > THis is the response I got from someone from whose web site I wanted to copy
> > photos and use them on my web site. My single page website has the first 2
> > sections used for non profit Christian information and copied photos and the
> > bottom 1/3 of the web page I put inforamation about contact regarding a low
> > price computer cleaning and service home based business.
> >
> > When I want to use a photo from someone else web site and stating "The
> > photos used on this website are used through "Fair Use" - to use Copyrighted
> > Material for educational and/or on-profit use." Is this enough for me to use
> > the copied photos legally?
> >
> >
>
>
> No, not even close. You need the copyright owner's express permission
> to use his/her intellectual property for any such advertising purposes.
> "Fair Use" is a very narrowly defined legal term, and you're no where
> close to meeting any of the criteria.
>
> Stanford Copyright & Fair Use Center
> http://fairuse.stanford.edu/
>
> U.S. Copyright Office - Fair Use
> http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
>
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell
>
> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
> killed a great many philosophers.
> ~ Denis Diderot
> .
>

"umwhat" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:2AF3E352-06DF-43D5-A57C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> It seems the Microsoft "Notify me of replies" is not working.
> Ok, I understand. It is not enough for me to write a note on my
> website..... "The photos used on this website are used through "Fair
> Use" -
> ie: to use Copyrighted Material for educational and or non profit use."
> until
> the owners consent to my use of their material.
> I have sent an email to the webmaster where I snatched the photos and
> pictures but have had no reply from them. I sent the email about 3 weeks
> ago.
> I will remove all the snatched pictures and photos today and wait for
> responses.

Well, I was going to say good on you for trying to do the right thing, but
why on earth have you left it three weeks before thinking about taking the
pictures down?

What will you do if you haven't heard back in another three weeks? Three
months?

Perhaps look for other contact details on the website to try.

> I was cheeky enough to say in my email, "I may have thought that Christian
> material and especially shared Christian material amongst Christians for
> non
> profit purposes may be legal"

a) It would be jolly nice, yes, but that's up to the holder of the
copyright. As VanguardLH said, it's not about profit or not, it's about
ownership.

b) What is this "shared Christian material" status?

c) You said they were "photos taken of the discovery of the Noah's Ark" -
not specifically Christian, then... Oy vey, as has already been said :-).


and ried to suggest with my bad english it
> owuld be a good thing for Christians to do anyway.....but I did suggest in
> the email that was only a personal thought.
> Thank you all.
>
>
> --
> ...scribble scribble scribble...
>
>
> "Bruce Chambers" wrote:
>
>> umwhat wrote:
>> > THis is the response I got from someone from whose web site I wanted to
>> > copy
>> > photos and use them on my web site. My single page website has the
>> > first 2
>> > sections used for non profit Christian information and copied photos
>> > and the
>> > bottom 1/3 of the web page I put inforamation about contact regarding a
>> > low
>> > price computer cleaning and service home based business.
>> >
>> > When I want to use a photo from someone else web site and stating "The
>> > photos used on this website are used through "Fair Use" - to use
>> > Copyrighted
>> > Material for educational and/or on-profit use." Is this enough for me
>> > to use
>> > the copied photos legally?
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> No, not even close. You need the copyright owner's express permission
>> to use his/her intellectual property for any such advertising purposes.
>> "Fair Use" is a very narrowly defined legal term, and you're no where
>> close to meeting any of the criteria.
>>
>> Stanford Copyright & Fair Use Center
>> http://fairuse.stanford.edu/
>>
>> U.S. Copyright Office - Fair Use
>> http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bruce Chambers
>>
>> Help us help you:
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375
>>
>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>
>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>> Russell
>>
>> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
>> killed a great many philosophers.
>> ~ Denis Diderot
>> .
>>

"umwhat" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:04A90D37-CAF3-48B2-BC60-(E-Mail Removed)...
> THis is the response I got from someone from whose web site I wanted to
> copy
> photos and use them on my web site. My single page website has the first 2
> sections used for non profit Christian information and copied photos and
> the
> bottom 1/3 of the web page I put inforamation about contact regarding a
> low
> price computer cleaning and service home based business.
>
> When I want to use a photo from someone else web site and stating "The
> photos used on this website are used through "Fair Use" - to use
> Copyrighted
> Material for educational and/or on-profit use." Is this enough for me to
> use
> the copied photos legally?
>
>
> --
> ...scribble scribble scribble...

Certainly NOT, you need to get written permission for each photo to use it
on your website.
If I was the copyright holder I would say 'no'.
Mike.