A friend has just bought a laptop with Vista Home Premium 64-bit. I'll be
helping him get it set up and install some programs. Installation of one
program will require that I copy four updated .dll files to its home folder a
couple of levels down under Program Files when Vista is not running (the files
are running when Windows is and can't be copied over then). I can handle that
in systems with 32-bit XP by using inuse.exe from Win2K, but I have no idea how
to go about it with 64-bit Vista.

Any help will be very much appreciated.

Larc

Larc <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>A friend has just bought a laptop with Vista Home Premium 64-bit. I'll be
>helping him get it set up and install some programs. Installation of one
>program will require that I copy four updated .dll files to its home folder a
>couple of levels down under Program Files when Vista is not running (the files
>are running when Windows is and can't be copied over then). I can handle that
>in systems with 32-bit XP by using inuse.exe from Win2K, but I have no idea how
>to go about it with 64-bit Vista.

Try booting from the installation CD.

--
Tim Slattery
MS MVP(Shell/User)
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http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:11:06 -0000, "Dave-UK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

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|
| "Larc" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
| > A friend has just bought a laptop with Vista Home Premium 64-bit. I'll be
| > helping him get it set up and install some programs. Installation of one
| > program will require that I copy four updated .dll files to its home folder a
| > couple of levels down under Program Files when Vista is not running (the files
| > are running when Windows is and can't be copied over then). I can handle that
| > in systems with 32-bit XP by using inuse.exe from Win2K, but I have no idea how
| > to go about it with 64-bit Vista.
| >
| > Any help will be very much appreciated.
| >
| > Larc
|
| Can't you just stop the program from being run when Vista boots?
| Or boot into safe mode and copy the files over.
| Or boot from a BartPE type disk and copy them.

Thanks, but the .dll files are running in the background in safe mode as well.

BartPE says it's not for 64-bit, which this Vista is.

Larc

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:17:48 -0500, Tim Slattery <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

| Larc <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
|
| >A friend has just bought a laptop with Vista Home Premium 64-bit. I'll be
| >helping him get it set up and install some programs. Installation of one
| >program will require that I copy four updated .dll files to its home folder a
| >couple of levels down under Program Files when Vista is not running (the files
| >are running when Windows is and can't be copied over then). I can handle that
| >in systems with 32-bit XP by using inuse.exe from Win2K, but I have no idea how
| >to go about it with 64-bit Vista.
|
| Try booting from the installation CD.

I run XP on my computer so am not up on Vista specifics. But Recovery Console
in XP won't allow file copying to File Manager subfolders. Is there something
like Recovery Console on the Vista install disc that does allow that kind of
copying?

Of course, any talk about an install disc may be moot since no discs came with
the laptop and burning a clone of the hidden installation partition may not
result in anything that works like a regular Vista install disc. Actual discs
came with my XP laptop, but I can't use them to do anything except load all the
original data on the HDD.

Larc

Vista strenuously objects to users playing around with system files. It
protects files in the Program Files area with additional access controls
that may make it very difficult to make the changes and may even 'fix' some
of them after they are made.

I don't recommend that you do such things by hand, rather acquire the
program installation package from the original source of the program.

Be that as it may, there are a couple of things that you might try. (My
system is Windows Home Premium 32).
Use msconfig to set up for a 'diagnostic setup' that will load just the very
basic software. If your dlls are used in this mode I REALLY suggest you
rethink modifying them. As the other dlls will not be in use you may be able
to modify them now.
Much of the Program files area is protected by being owned by 'Trusted
Installer' if you change owner then things may not work as expected, but if
you don't you may not be able to change security controls for the programs.

Michael

"Larc" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:17:48 -0500, Tim Slattery <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
> | Larc <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> |
> | >A friend has just bought a laptop with Vista Home Premium 64-bit. I'll
> be
> | >helping him get it set up and install some programs. Installation of
> one
> | >program will require that I copy four updated .dll files to its home
> folder a
> | >couple of levels down under Program Files when Vista is not running
> (the files
> | >are running when Windows is and can't be copied over then). I can
> handle that
> | >in systems with 32-bit XP by using inuse.exe from Win2K, but I have no
> idea how
> | >to go about it with 64-bit Vista.
> |
> | Try booting from the installation CD.
>
> I run XP on my computer so am not up on Vista specifics. But Recovery
> Console
> in XP won't allow file copying to File Manager subfolders. Is there
> something
> like Recovery Console on the Vista install disc that does allow that kind
> of
> copying?
>
> Of course, any talk about an install disc may be moot since no discs came
> with
> the laptop and burning a clone of the hidden installation partition may
> not
> result in anything that works like a regular Vista install disc. Actual
> discs
> came with my XP laptop, but I can't use them to do anything except load
> all the
> original data on the HDD.
>
> Larc

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:59:19 -0500, "Michael Walraven"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

| Vista strenuously objects to users playing around with system files. It
| protects files in the Program Files area with additional access controls
| that may make it very difficult to make the changes and may even 'fix' some
| of them after they are made.

That's one of the big reasons I've stayed with XP. I like to customize a lot of
things including Start menus that Vista doesn't allow me to access. Nor does
Win 7 Beta I'm sorry to say. Also, I can't get classic folder view. 7 won't
even give me the choice of classic Start menu.

| I don't recommend that you do such things by hand, rather acquire the
| program installation package from the original source of the program.

That's the problem. The copies of the program (PowerDesk Pro) I bought had some
very bothersome bugs that were later corrected by on-line updates that installed
directly. The program was sold to another company, so those free updates are no
longer available. Since I don't want to plunk down $40 per for multiple copies
of a program I've already paid for, the only solution seems to be to copy all
files from an existing up-to-date installation over newly installed files (the
buggy files are in the main program folder).

| Be that as it may, there are a couple of things that you might try. (My
| system is Windows Home Premium 32).
| Use msconfig to set up for a 'diagnostic setup' that will load just the very
| basic software. If your dlls are used in this mode I REALLY suggest you
| rethink modifying them. As the other dlls will not be in use you may be able
| to modify them now.
| Much of the Program files area is protected by being owned by 'Trusted
| Installer' if you change owner then things may not work as expected, but if
| you don't you may not be able to change security controls for the programs.

Thanks very much for that, but I was kindly linked to a copy of BartPE that I've
downloaded, burned to CD and checked out on a box I installed Win 7 Beta on. I
copied some files to a similar location with that, so I'm sure it will work OK.

Larc

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:09:58 -0000, "Dave-UK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

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|
| "Larc" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
| > On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:11:06 -0000, "Dave-UK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
| >
| > |
| > |
| > | "Larc" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
| > | > A friend has just bought a laptop with Vista Home Premium 64-bit. I'll be
| > | > helping him get it set up and install some programs. Installation of one
| > | > program will require that I copy four updated .dll files to its home folder a
| > | > couple of levels down under Program Files when Vista is not running (the files
| > | > are running when Windows is and can't be copied over then). I can handle that
| > | > in systems with 32-bit XP by using inuse.exe from Win2K, but I have no idea how
| > | > to go about it with 64-bit Vista.
| > | >
| > | > Any help will be very much appreciated.
| > | >
| > | > Larc
| > |
| > | Can't you just stop the program from being run when Vista boots?
| > | Or boot into safe mode and copy the files over.
| > | Or boot from a BartPE type disk and copy them.
| >
| > Thanks, but the .dll files are running in the background in safe mode as well.
| >
| > BartPE says it's not for 64-bit, which this Vista is.
| >
| > Larc
|
| A BartPE boot disk is for booting a computer without starting the installed version of Windows.
| The boot disk contains an operating system based on XP.
| You can create a BartPE boot disk on your XP machine.
| If you don't want to create your own boot disk I have created one with basic functions, here's the iso image:
| http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HTIGTU5P
| It's a 79 M/B zip file. Extract and burn to cd then boot from it.

A very huge thank you for that, Dave. I downloaded and burned it and have
already checked it out on a box with Win 7 Beta. It works like a charm!

Thanks again.

Larc