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bala
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      26th Oct 2010
Hi,

I am using CopyFile (Scripting.FileSystemObject) to copy file from one
location to another. The naming convention followed makes the file
names (+ the path) lenghty and the total characters can exceed 260
characters.

I would appreciate if you can let me know if there is any solution to
bypass max limit (Filename + Path) of 260 characters.

The copying of file from one location to another happens on the click
of a button in MS Access Forms.

Thanks in Advance.

Regards
Bala
 
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bala
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      26th Oct 2010
Access Version : Access 2003

The files (can be any type of files like .xls, .doc, .pdf etc..) is
copied from local Computer to network drive.

 
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Stuart McCall
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      27th Oct 2010
"bala" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:7836c18b-b7b6-4470-bab6-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi,
>
> I am using CopyFile (Scripting.FileSystemObject) to copy file from one
> location to another. The naming convention followed makes the file
> names (+ the path) lenghty and the total characters can exceed 260
> characters.
>
> I would appreciate if you can let me know if there is any solution to
> bypass max limit (Filename + Path) of 260 characters.
>
> The copying of file from one location to another happens on the click
> of a button in MS Access Forms.
>
> Thanks in Advance.
>
> Regards
> Bala


Well you can use short file names instead:

http://www.smccall.demon.co.uk/Strings.htm#ShortPath


 
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bala
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      27th Oct 2010
On Oct 26, 10:42*pm, "Stuart McCall" <smcc...@myunrealbox.com> wrote:
> "bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7836c18b-b7b6-4470-bab6-(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi,

>
> > I am using CopyFile (Scripting.FileSystemObject) to copy file from one
> > location to another. The naming convention followed makes the file
> > names (+ the path) lenghty and the total characters can exceed 260
> > characters.

>
> > I would appreciate if you can let me know if there is any solution to
> > bypass max limit (Filename + Path) of 260 characters.

>
> > The copying of file from one location to another happens on the click
> > of a button in MS Access Forms.

>
> > Thanks in Advance.

>
> > Regards
> > Bala

>
> Well you can use short file names instead:
>
> http://www.smccall.demon.co.uk/Strings.htm#ShortPath- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


There lies the problem, the clients wants the naming convention to be
followed and the naming convention does creates long names. Any work
around?
 
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bala
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      27th Oct 2010
On Oct 27, 9:35*am, "Jon Lewis" <jon.le...@cutthespambtinternet.com>
wrote:
> Can't you get the short file name at runtime to pass to your CopyFile
> procedure whilst keeping the full name stored/displayed?
>
> Jon
>
> "bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:45a6e5b9-9c49-4e07-af9d-(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Oct 26, 10:42 pm, "Stuart McCall" <smcc...@myunrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> >news:7836c18b-b7b6-4470-bab6-(E-Mail Removed)....

>
> > > Hi,

>
> > > I am using CopyFile (Scripting.FileSystemObject) to copy file from one
> > > location to another. The naming convention followed makes the file
> > > names (+ the path) lenghty and the total characters can exceed 260
> > > characters.

>
> > > I would appreciate if you can let me know if there is any solution to
> > > bypass max limit (Filename + Path) of 260 characters.

>
> > > The copying of file from one location to another happens on the click
> > > of a button in MS Access Forms.

>
> > > Thanks in Advance.

>
> > > Regards
> > > Bala

>
> > Well you can use short file names instead:

>
> >http://www.smccall.demon.co.uk/Strin...ShortPath-Hide quoted text -

>
> > - Show quoted text -

>
> There lies the problem, the clients wants the naming convention to be
> followed and the naming convention does creates long names. Any work
> around?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


That is a good suggestion but the client wants the files to be named
according to the naming convention (translated : long name). According
to them they want to identify the nature of the file by glancing at
the name.

What I also tried is using the short dummy name to copy file using
CopyFile and then tried to rename it with the long name but it didn't
work out.

I have search web and couldn't find any solution for it as Windows XP
as a max limit of 260 characters when NTFS file system can handle upto
32,000 char.

To be honest I think the bottom line is as per Stuart and your
suggestion the File Name (inclusive of the Path) have to be restricted
to less than 240 chars (to be on a safer side). A file name (including
Path) with lenght of 253 Chars also created problem.

If there is any work around well it would be nice if not have to start
the long never ending process of convincing the Client.
 
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bala
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      27th Oct 2010
On Oct 27, 4:25*pm, Salad <sa...@oilandvinegar.com> wrote:
> bala wrote:
> > On Oct 27, 9:35 am, "Jon Lewis" <jon.le...@cutthespambtinternet.com>
> > wrote:

>
> >>Can't you get the short file name at runtime to pass to your CopyFile
> >>procedure whilst keeping the full name stored/displayed?

>
> >>Jon

>
> >>"bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> >>news:45a6e5b9-9c49-4e07-af9d-(E-Mail Removed)....
> >>On Oct 26, 10:42 pm, "Stuart McCall" <smcc...@myunrealbox.com> wrote:

>
> >>>"bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> >>>news:7836c18b-b7b6-4470-bab6-(E-Mail Removed)....

>
> >>>>Hi,

>
> >>>>I am using CopyFile (Scripting.FileSystemObject) to copy file from one
> >>>>location to another. The naming convention followed makes the file
> >>>>names (+ the path) lenghty and the total characters can exceed 260
> >>>>characters.

>
> >>>>I would appreciate if you can let me know if there is any solution to
> >>>>bypass max limit (Filename + Path) of 260 characters.

>
> >>>>The copying of file from one location to another happens on the click
> >>>>of a button in MS Access Forms.

>
> >>>>Thanks in Advance.

>
> >>>>Regards
> >>>>Bala

>
> >>>Well you can use short file names instead:

>
> >>>http://www.smccall.demon.co.uk/Strin...ath-Hidequoted text -

>
> >>>- Show quoted text -

>
> >>There lies the problem, the clients wants the naming convention to be
> >>followed and the naming convention does creates long names. Any work
> >>around?- Hide quoted text -

>
> >>- Show quoted text -

>
> > That is a good suggestion but the client wants the files to be named
> > according to the naming convention (translated : long name). According
> > to them they want to identify the nature of the file by glancing at
> > the name.

>
> > What I also tried is using the short dummy name to copy file using
> > CopyFile and *then tried to rename it with the long name but it didn't
> > work out.

>
> > I have search web and couldn't find any solution for it as Windows XP
> > as a max limit of 260 characters when NTFS file system can handle upto
> > 32,000 char.

>
> > To be honest I think the bottom line is as per Stuart and your
> > suggestion the File Name (inclusive of the Path) have to be restricted
> > to less than 240 chars (to be on a safer side). A file name (including
> > Path) with lenght of 253 Chars also created problem.

>
> > If there is any work around well it would be nice if not have to start
> > the long never ending process of convincing the Client.

>
> Where are you copying the file to; network or C: drive?
>
> What is so long; the filename or the folder name? *If folder name, you
> can map a drive letter
> * *Set WshNetwork = CreateObject("WScript.Network")
> * *WshNetwork.MapNetworkDrive "L:", "\\mydrive\share"
>
> Then you'd copy the file to drive L:
>
> If your filename is 250 chars+, wow!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I am copying the file to network drive and yes it is 250 Chars +. That
is problem. Sometimes there maybe one subfolder or 2 at the max. The
name of the file (following the naming convention) tends to be
long.That is the killer here.
 
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Stuart McCall
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      27th Oct 2010
"bala" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:106f1fbf-d6f2-423c-9edd-(E-Mail Removed)...
On Oct 27, 4:25 pm, Salad <sa...@oilandvinegar.com> wrote:
> bala wrote:
> > On Oct 27, 9:35 am, "Jon Lewis" <jon.le...@cutthespambtinternet.com>
> > wrote:

>
> >>Can't you get the short file name at runtime to pass to your CopyFile
> >>procedure whilst keeping the full name stored/displayed?

>
> >>Jon

>
> >>"bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> >>news:45a6e5b9-9c49-4e07-af9d-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >>On Oct 26, 10:42 pm, "Stuart McCall" <smcc...@myunrealbox.com> wrote:

>
> >>>"bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> >>>news:7836c18b-b7b6-4470-bab6-(E-Mail Removed)...

>
> >>>>Hi,

>
> >>>>I am using CopyFile (Scripting.FileSystemObject) to copy file from one
> >>>>location to another. The naming convention followed makes the file
> >>>>names (+ the path) lenghty and the total characters can exceed 260
> >>>>characters.

>
> >>>>I would appreciate if you can let me know if there is any solution to
> >>>>bypass max limit (Filename + Path) of 260 characters.

>
> >>>>The copying of file from one location to another happens on the click
> >>>>of a button in MS Access Forms.

>
> >>>>Thanks in Advance.

>
> >>>>Regards
> >>>>Bala

>
> >>>Well you can use short file names instead:

>
> >>>http://www.smccall.demon.co.uk/Strin...ath-Hidequoted text -

>
> >>>- Show quoted text -

>
> >>There lies the problem, the clients wants the naming convention to be
> >>followed and the naming convention does creates long names. Any work
> >>around?- Hide quoted text -

>
> >>- Show quoted text -

>
> > That is a good suggestion but the client wants the files to be named
> > according to the naming convention (translated : long name). According
> > to them they want to identify the nature of the file by glancing at
> > the name.

>
> > What I also tried is using the short dummy name to copy file using
> > CopyFile and then tried to rename it with the long name but it didn't
> > work out.

>
> > I have search web and couldn't find any solution for it as Windows XP
> > as a max limit of 260 characters when NTFS file system can handle upto
> > 32,000 char.

>
> > To be honest I think the bottom line is as per Stuart and your
> > suggestion the File Name (inclusive of the Path) have to be restricted
> > to less than 240 chars (to be on a safer side). A file name (including
> > Path) with lenght of 253 Chars also created problem.

>
> > If there is any work around well it would be nice if not have to start
> > the long never ending process of convincing the Client.

>
> Where are you copying the file to; network or C: drive?
>
> What is so long; the filename or the folder name? If folder name, you
> can map a drive letter
> Set WshNetwork = CreateObject("WScript.Network")
> WshNetwork.MapNetworkDrive "L:", "\\mydrive\share"
>
> Then you'd copy the file to drive L:
>
> If your filename is 250 chars+, wow!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


> I am copying the file to network drive and yes it is 250 Chars +. That
> is problem. Sometimes there maybe one subfolder or 2 at the max. The
> name of the file (following the naming convention) tends to be
> long.That is the killer here.


Well if your client insists on sticking with FAT32 file system then the only
(sensible) solution is to redesign the naming convention. They've
overstepped the mark, unfortunately.


 
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bala
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      27th Oct 2010
On Oct 27, 5:18*pm, "Stuart McCall" <smcc...@myunrealbox.com> wrote:
> "bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:106f1fbf-d6f2-423c-9edd-(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Oct 27, 4:25 pm, Salad <sa...@oilandvinegar.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > bala wrote:
> > > On Oct 27, 9:35 am, "Jon Lewis" <jon.le...@cutthespambtinternet.com>
> > > wrote:

>
> > >>Can't you get the short file name at runtime to pass to your CopyFile
> > >>procedure whilst keeping the full name stored/displayed?

>
> > >>Jon

>
> > >>"bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> > >>news:45a6e5b9-9c49-4e07-af9d-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >>On Oct 26, 10:42 pm, "Stuart McCall" <smcc...@myunrealbox.com> wrote:

>
> > >>>"bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> > >>>news:7836c18b-b7b6-4470-bab6-(E-Mail Removed)...

>
> > >>>>Hi,

>
> > >>>>I am using CopyFile (Scripting.FileSystemObject) to copy file from one
> > >>>>location to another. The naming convention followed makes the file
> > >>>>names (+ the path) lenghty and the total characters can exceed 260
> > >>>>characters.

>
> > >>>>I would appreciate if you can let me know if there is any solution to
> > >>>>bypass max limit (Filename + Path) of 260 characters.

>
> > >>>>The copying of file from one location to another happens on the click
> > >>>>of a button in MS Access Forms.

>
> > >>>>Thanks in Advance.

>
> > >>>>Regards
> > >>>>Bala

>
> > >>>Well you can use short file names instead:

>
> > >>>http://www.smccall.demon.co.uk/Strin...Hidequotedtext -

>
> > >>>- Show quoted text -

>
> > >>There lies the problem, the clients wants the naming convention to be
> > >>followed and the naming convention does creates long names. Any work
> > >>around?- Hide quoted text -

>
> > >>- Show quoted text -

>
> > > That is a good suggestion but the client wants the files to be named
> > > according to the naming convention (translated : long name). According
> > > to them they want to identify the nature of the file by glancing at
> > > the name.

>
> > > What I also tried is using the short dummy name to copy file using
> > > CopyFile and then tried to rename it with the long name but it didn't
> > > work out.

>
> > > I have search web and couldn't find any solution for it as Windows XP
> > > as a max limit of 260 characters when NTFS file system can handle upto
> > > 32,000 char.

>
> > > To be honest I think the bottom line is as per Stuart and your
> > > suggestion the File Name (inclusive of the Path) have to be restricted
> > > to less than 240 chars (to be on a safer side). A file name (including
> > > Path) with lenght of 253 Chars also created problem.

>
> > > If there is any work around well it would be nice if not have to start
> > > the long never ending process of convincing the Client.

>
> > Where are you copying the file to; network or C: drive?

>
> > What is so long; the filename or the folder name? If folder name, you
> > can map a drive letter
> > Set WshNetwork = CreateObject("WScript.Network")
> > WshNetwork.MapNetworkDrive "L:", "\\mydrive\share"

>
> > Then you'd copy the file to drive L:

>
> > If your filename is 250 chars+, wow!- Hide quoted text -

>
> > - Show quoted text -
> > I am copying the file to network drive and yes it is 250 Chars +. That
> > is problem. Sometimes there maybe one subfolder or 2 at the max. The
> > name of the file (following the naming convention) tends to be
> > long.That is the killer here.

>
> Well if your client insists on sticking with FAT32 file system then the only
> (sensible) solution is to redesign the naming convention. They've
> overstepped the mark, unfortunately.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Sorry for the confusion, what the client as is NTFS File System even
then the limitation (Max Lenght of 260) comes into play because of
Windows XP.
 
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Stuart McCall
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      27th Oct 2010
"bala" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:9938d961-6015-4e55-b3ad-(E-Mail Removed)...
On Oct 27, 5:18 pm, "Stuart McCall" <smcc...@myunrealbox.com> wrote:
> "bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:106f1fbf-d6f2-423c-9edd-(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Oct 27, 4:25 pm, Salad <sa...@oilandvinegar.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > bala wrote:
> > > On Oct 27, 9:35 am, "Jon Lewis" <jon.le...@cutthespambtinternet.com>
> > > wrote:

>
> > >>Can't you get the short file name at runtime to pass to your CopyFile
> > >>procedure whilst keeping the full name stored/displayed?

>
> > >>Jon

>
> > >>"bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> > >>news:45a6e5b9-9c49-4e07-af9d-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >>On Oct 26, 10:42 pm, "Stuart McCall" <smcc...@myunrealbox.com> wrote:

>
> > >>>"bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> > >>>news:7836c18b-b7b6-4470-bab6-(E-Mail Removed)...

>
> > >>>>Hi,

>
> > >>>>I am using CopyFile (Scripting.FileSystemObject) to copy file from
> > >>>>one
> > >>>>location to another. The naming convention followed makes the file
> > >>>>names (+ the path) lenghty and the total characters can exceed 260
> > >>>>characters.

>
> > >>>>I would appreciate if you can let me know if there is any solution
> > >>>>to
> > >>>>bypass max limit (Filename + Path) of 260 characters.

>
> > >>>>The copying of file from one location to another happens on the
> > >>>>click
> > >>>>of a button in MS Access Forms.

>
> > >>>>Thanks in Advance.

>
> > >>>>Regards
> > >>>>Bala

>
> > >>>Well you can use short file names instead:

>
> > >>>http://www.smccall.demon.co.uk/Strin...Hidequotedtext -

>
> > >>>- Show quoted text -

>
> > >>There lies the problem, the clients wants the naming convention to be
> > >>followed and the naming convention does creates long names. Any work
> > >>around?- Hide quoted text -

>
> > >>- Show quoted text -

>
> > > That is a good suggestion but the client wants the files to be named
> > > according to the naming convention (translated : long name). According
> > > to them they want to identify the nature of the file by glancing at
> > > the name.

>
> > > What I also tried is using the short dummy name to copy file using
> > > CopyFile and then tried to rename it with the long name but it didn't
> > > work out.

>
> > > I have search web and couldn't find any solution for it as Windows XP
> > > as a max limit of 260 characters when NTFS file system can handle upto
> > > 32,000 char.

>
> > > To be honest I think the bottom line is as per Stuart and your
> > > suggestion the File Name (inclusive of the Path) have to be restricted
> > > to less than 240 chars (to be on a safer side). A file name (including
> > > Path) with lenght of 253 Chars also created problem.

>
> > > If there is any work around well it would be nice if not have to start
> > > the long never ending process of convincing the Client.

>
> > Where are you copying the file to; network or C: drive?

>
> > What is so long; the filename or the folder name? If folder name, you
> > can map a drive letter
> > Set WshNetwork = CreateObject("WScript.Network")
> > WshNetwork.MapNetworkDrive "L:", "\\mydrive\share"

>
> > Then you'd copy the file to drive L:

>
> > If your filename is 250 chars+, wow!- Hide quoted text -

>
> > - Show quoted text -
> > I am copying the file to network drive and yes it is 250 Chars +. That
> > is problem. Sometimes there maybe one subfolder or 2 at the max. The
> > name of the file (following the naming convention) tends to be
> > long.That is the killer here.

>
> Well if your client insists on sticking with FAT32 file system then the
> only
> (sensible) solution is to redesign the naming convention. They've
> overstepped the mark, unfortunately.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


> Sorry for the confusion, what the client as is NTFS File System even
> then the limitation (Max Lenght of 260) comes into play because of
> Windows XP.


OIC. Well they've still overstepped. IMO they need to see if there's a way
to abbreviate at least part(s) of the name while leaving it still
recognisable. After all, as Salad says, it can hardly be 'glanced' as it
stands.


 
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bala
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      27th Oct 2010
On Oct 27, 5:59*pm, "Stuart McCall" <smcc...@myunrealbox.com> wrote:
> "bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:9938d961-6015-4e55-b3ad-(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Oct 27, 5:18 pm, "Stuart McCall" <smcc...@myunrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> >news:106f1fbf-d6f2-423c-9edd-(E-Mail Removed)....
> > On Oct 27, 4:25 pm, Salad <sa...@oilandvinegar.com> wrote:

>
> > > bala wrote:
> > > > On Oct 27, 9:35 am, "Jon Lewis" <jon.le...@cutthespambtinternet.com>
> > > > wrote:

>
> > > >>Can't you get the short file name at runtime to pass to your CopyFile
> > > >>procedure whilst keeping the full name stored/displayed?

>
> > > >>Jon

>
> > > >>"bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> > > >>news:45a6e5b9-9c49-4e07-af9d-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > >>On Oct 26, 10:42 pm, "Stuart McCall" <smcc...@myunrealbox.com> wrote:

>
> > > >>>"bala" <balk...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> > > >>>news:7836c18b-b7b6-4470-bab6-(E-Mail Removed)..com...

>
> > > >>>>Hi,

>
> > > >>>>I am using CopyFile (Scripting.FileSystemObject) to copy file from
> > > >>>>one
> > > >>>>location to another. The naming convention followed makes the file
> > > >>>>names (+ the path) lenghty and the total characters can exceed 260
> > > >>>>characters.

>
> > > >>>>I would appreciate if you can let me know if there is any solution
> > > >>>>to
> > > >>>>bypass max limit (Filename + Path) of 260 characters.

>
> > > >>>>The copying of file from one location to another happens on the
> > > >>>>click
> > > >>>>of a button in MS Access Forms.

>
> > > >>>>Thanks in Advance.

>
> > > >>>>Regards
> > > >>>>Bala

>
> > > >>>Well you can use short file names instead:

>
> > > >>>http://www.smccall.demon.co.uk/Strin...idequotedtext-

>
> > > >>>- Show quoted text -

>
> > > >>There lies the problem, the clients wants the naming convention to be
> > > >>followed and the naming convention does creates long names. Any work
> > > >>around?- Hide quoted text -

>
> > > >>- Show quoted text -

>
> > > > That is a good suggestion but the client wants the files to be named
> > > > according to the naming convention (translated : long name). According
> > > > to them they want to identify the nature of the file by glancing at
> > > > the name.

>
> > > > What I also tried is using the short dummy name to copy file using
> > > > CopyFile and then tried to rename it with the long name but it didn't
> > > > work out.

>
> > > > I have search web and couldn't find any solution for it as Windows XP
> > > > as a max limit of 260 characters when NTFS file system can handle upto
> > > > 32,000 char.

>
> > > > To be honest I think the bottom line is as per Stuart and your
> > > > suggestion the File Name (inclusive of the Path) have to be restricted
> > > > to less than 240 chars (to be on a safer side). A file name (including
> > > > Path) with lenght of 253 Chars also created problem.

>
> > > > If there is any work around well it would be nice if not have to start
> > > > the long never ending process of convincing the Client.

>
> > > Where are you copying the file to; network or C: drive?

>
> > > What is so long; the filename or the folder name? If folder name, you
> > > can map a drive letter
> > > Set WshNetwork = CreateObject("WScript.Network")
> > > WshNetwork.MapNetworkDrive "L:", "\\mydrive\share"

>
> > > Then you'd copy the file to drive L:

>
> > > If your filename is 250 chars+, wow!- Hide quoted text -

>
> > > - Show quoted text -
> > > I am copying the file to network drive and yes it is 250 Chars +. That
> > > is problem. Sometimes there maybe one subfolder or 2 at the max. The
> > > name of the file (following the naming convention) tends to be
> > > long.That is the killer here.

>
> > Well if your client insists on sticking with FAT32 file system then the
> > only
> > (sensible) solution is to redesign the naming convention. They've
> > overstepped the mark, unfortunately.- Hide quoted text -

>
> > - Show quoted text -
> > Sorry for the confusion, what the client as is NTFS File System even
> > then the limitation (Max Lenght of 260) comes into play because of
> > Windows XP.

>
> OIC. Well they've still overstepped. IMO they need to see if there's a way
> to abbreviate at least part(s) of the name while leaving it still
> recognisable. After all, as Salad says, it can hardly be 'glanced' as it
> stands.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Yeah you are right. ). I have started the long process of convincing
the Client to use short name for files and have both the short name
and long name stored in a table for mapping purpose. I can seethe
Quality Control and Audit team creating a ruckus.

Thanks Stuart. Thanks to Jon and Salad too.

Note: if at all there is a work around found (anytime down the line) I
would definitely appreciate if the solution is posted here.
 
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