It's a good thing that you trying to construct the DB from scratch; as this
will give an opportunity to grasp the amount of work required. Here's the
bemol: when you will think that you have probably 90% of the work done, then
probably the real number will be closer to 10% instead of 90%.
As for the fact of paying or not the consultant; why should he or she work
for you for free? Will you do the same, working for someone else for free?
If youe ask your dentist if he can make a root treatment, the answer will be
free; however, if you're asking him if one of your teeth need a root
treatment, then the exam will not be free. Same thing for the consultant.
Probably that casual phone call of a few minutes will be free; however, I
don't see why one (or many) professional phone call over a length of many
hours should also be free.
For Excel, it's a free format: you can put anything anywhere you want.
There lies its strength but also its weakness. You cannot use these free
format worksheets to generate any useful reports/trends/historical data over
many projects, months, etc. You cannot also guarantee that there is no
error: the process of copying worksheets from an old project then update
them to a new project is probably very time consuming and source of a great
number of errors each time this process is repeated.
--
Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
E-mail: sylvain aei ca (fill the blanks, no spam please)
"Ernesto" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> First off thank you to all for replying so quickly...second off...i'm
> not talking down on excel...i love excel, its one of my fave
> software...so i dont know where that comment came off...ok.
>
> to try to answer some questions,
>
> "The only question Is whether your application too big in terms of
> potential
> file size or transaction size - - not sure from your description but it
>
> doesn't sound like it would be..... "
>
> I think its more about transaction size. The amount of details that
> needs to be taken into consideration is BIG!! We have mulitple part #s
> which make up a kit which goes into one product with multiple
> iterations. If that makes any sense congrats!! =)
>
> I'm trying to construct a dB from scratch...to try to encompass all
> needs...but our needs are changing on a daily basis. So i need to build
> something that is almost "bullet-proof".
>
> How would I go about finding a consultant. And would I need to pay from
> posing the question/problem to him/her (generally speaking)?
>
> Thanks again!
> Ernesto
>
>
> Sylvain Lafontaine (fill the blanks, no spam please) wrote:
>> The easiest way of buying a failure is to buy it for cheap (you can also
>> buy
>> one for a high price but that's another story).
>>
>> If your people find the database difficult to use in comparaison to Excel
>> then it's because it has been badly designed. A weel designed database
>> should not only be as easy as Excel but even be easier. It should also
>> offers you functionalities that you can't have actually with Excel, like
>> an
>> history over the years and lot of useful reports.
>>
>> However, a database is not some big calculator like Excel where you can
>> put
>> everything everywhere you want (and by the same occasion, create new
>> bugs,
>> errors and problems anytime): in a database, everything that you want to
>> do
>> must be precisely determined and taken into account; down to the last
>> minute
>> detail. So it's many times more difficult to design and create a
>> database
>> than to simply use Excel. However, when the database is finished and
>> debugged, then it's finished for good. It will not be a roller-coaster
>> like
>> Excel where the results might be good one week but the following week,
>> will
>> require many days of work before findind the *error* that someone has
>> created when editing some formula on some obscur datasheet (if you ever
>> find
>> it).
>>
>> You must evaluate how much time your teams are passing each week working
>> with Excel to know if your company will benefit from paying the necessary
>> $
>> to upgrade the whole system to a database. In my opinion, anyone trying
>> to
>> use Excel for any long term tracking of data always finish to burry
>> himself
>> below a big pile of spreadsheets. When you pass many days per week
>> fighting
>> with Excel, then it's time to pass to something else.(And to pay for it:
>> like a good car, a good consultant is not free. You always get what you
>> pay
>> for. Sometime you might get less but you will never get more.)
>>
>> For the possibility of having a connection between Access and Excel, it's
>> possible; however, it's probably a bad solution to a badly defined
>> problem.
>>
>> --
>> Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
>> MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
>> E-mail: sylvain aei ca (fill the blanks, no spam please)
>>
>>
>> "Ernesto" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > I have been reading and using this group for a while now and for most
>> > of my questions I usually find my answer by searching through the
>> > threads. So, thank you to all.
>> >
>> > That is why I'm asking this question.
>> >
>> > I have a business need. And I don't know whether I can use MS software
>> > or should I look at a different software (which would not be ideal, due
>> > to company security practices).
>> >
>> > In our business, we purchasing a large amount of items. We work with
>> > vendors to identify an appropriate initial piece price, initial tooling
>> > costs, and initial development costs (there are a variety of other
>> > costs which we also track). These prices and costs can and WILL change
>> > multiple times during the development period of that product. We have
>> > approximately five teams which develop products (with outside vendors).
>> > Each team can have up to or exceed 40 sub-products during any given
>> > time. Which means tracking becomes some what of a problem, when we have
>> > an MS Access dB for each team, each team's sub-products, and each
>> > sub-products products.
>> >
>> > Reporting and data editing becomes a mission...
>> >
>> > In the past, teams have used excel to produce pricing. But that meant
>> > that when a new price came along (i.e. tooling cost increase/decreases)
>> > the previous cost would be deleted. No historic tracking. So, a dB was
>> > created...basically, bad design has allowed for the same problem. Plus,
>> > the fact that Access has a negative appeal within our department. No
>> > one wants to use Access because it's "difficult" to use; they are
>> > comfortable with Excel.
>> >
>> > With that said, it leads me to my question; We basically want to be
>> > able to give our teams the ability to continue using Excel (because
>> > they are comfortable with it), but we want to gather that data (which
>> > is ALWAYS in a different format depending on the team, product, and/or
>> > vendor). We basically want a real time connection between Excel and
>> > Access, going both ways. If anyone is brave enough to use Access and
>> > make a change, we would like the appropriate worksheet (which I have no
>> > idea how to ID) to be updated with the change. And at the same time we
>> > want Access to track those changes over time.
>> >
>> > Do you all think this is something that I can do? Or do you think its
>> > something where we need a consultant? If so, what kind of price are we
>> > looking at to solve this issue?
>> >
>> > Any and all help is greatly appreciated!!
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> > Ernesto
>> >
>