On 1/26/2012 8:10 PM, Dustin wrote:
> Bear<bearbottoms1+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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>
>> On 1/26/2012 5:17 PM, Dustin wrote:
>>> Bear<bearbottoms1+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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>>>
>>>> On 1/25/2012 6:48 PM, Dustin wrote:
>>>>> I'm sorry, but general joe public is about as smart as a bucket of
>>>>> rocks when it comes to doing many things.
>>>>
>>>> And there are just as many things you are ignorant of.
>>>
>>> Sure, but, unlike general joe public, I'm willing to learn.
>>>
>>>
>> How do you know. I've taught many many many a Joe Public. They all
>> learn at about the same average rate as anyone except the extremely
>> motivated on the subject.
>
> I deal with the public on a daily basis. Not the "online" public Bear.
> Real people.


So have I for 45 years.
>
>> You are simply a bigot and wrong Dustin. People learn what they want
>> to know. Some aren't interested in what you want them to know. That
>> is where you miss the boat.
>
> A bigot? I was responding to the OP's question why editing the registry
> isn't always mentioned. Ask any tech, they'll tell you the same thing.
> If you doubt them or think it's a money racket and they're hiding the
> information for themselves, ask Microsoft. It's to prevent more serious
> harm if the user (general joe) doesn't know what they are doing.

Your attempt to change the subject at hand is noted...for good reason.
>
> Many people in real life just want the computer to work, and they tend
> to concentrate on whatever aspect they use the machine(s) for. They
> don't go poking around under the preverbial hood. In many cases, even if
> you provide written instructions-- They still won't follow them. They'll
> call someone instead.

Many people in life have numerous reasons for learning what they want to
know...or aren't interested in.
>
> Would you want to accept responsibility for really mucking a machine up
> because somebody followed your instructions and they made a mistake?
> People will sue for just about anything now.
>

I've likely fixed as many if not more machines than you have hands on.
You have no clue as to my background or experience...yet coding was
never an interest of mine...I've hired those people for meager wages.

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Bear <bearbottoms1+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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>> I deal with the public on a daily basis. Not the "online" public
>> Bear. Real people.
>
>
> So have I for 45 years.

None of them have punched you in the nose?

>> A bigot? I was responding to the OP's question why editing the
>> registry isn't always mentioned. Ask any tech, they'll tell you the
>> same thing. If you doubt them or think it's a money racket and
>> they're hiding the information for themselves, ask Microsoft. It's
>> to prevent more serious harm if the user (general joe) doesn't know
>> what they are doing.
>
> Your attempt to change the subject at hand is noted...for good
> reason.

Wait just a minute, Sir. I've attempted to change nothing, I have no
reason to evade anything during our discussion. You're not my superior
in any sense of the word. You jumped the gun and declared me a Bigot
with NOTHING to back the absurd claim up with.

Bear, it's worth noting, I'm not some punkass teenager who's using
daddies computer.

>> Many people in real life just want the computer to work, and they
>> tend to concentrate on whatever aspect they use the machine(s) for.
>> They don't go poking around under the preverbial hood. In many
>> cases, even if you provide written instructions-- They still won't
>> follow them. They'll call someone instead.
>
> Many people in life have numerous reasons for learning what they want
> to know...or aren't interested in.

Alas, the point I made above stands firm. No wiggle room.

>> Would you want to accept responsibility for really mucking a machine
>> up because somebody followed your instructions and they made a
>> mistake? People will sue for just about anything now.
>>
>
> I've likely fixed as many if not more machines than you have hands
> on. You have no clue as to my background or experience...yet coding
> was never an interest of mine...I've hired those people for meager
> wages.

I seriously doubt it. I'm a certified technician. I've built more boxes
than I can remember. I'm sure you've resorted to wiping many more
machines than I've had to. I'm good with recovering data and actually
repairing systems. People like you, are called Jake legs in my trade.

You *think* you know more than you do. A coder is always going to have
the advantage here Bear, we know the hardware better; We talk directly
to it. You, you are limited by the tools you have available to you. I'm
not.

I don't need to know your background to make educated and reasonable
guesses based on your activities, correspondence and own claims.

Do you still want to play games with me, or have you had enough?

I can be a good friend Bear, or your worst enemy. The decision is yours.




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On 1/26/2012 9:57 PM, Dustin wrote:
> I can be a good friend Bear, or your worst enemy. The decision is yours.

I'm not the one attacking you. That decision is yours. We can continue
in a civil manner or you will drop out of my world. The choice is yours.

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On 1/26/2012 7:27 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
> Bear wrote:
>> On 1/26/2012 8:21 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> eric x wrote:
>>>> On Jan 19, 11:14 pm, FromTheRafters<erra...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>> eric x wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please do not be too particular on trojan jargon workable solution
>>>>>> is what an infected and helpless pc user wish for , anything that
>>>>>> help although phrasing may be different but all are done with the
>>>>>> same objective , we are all trying our best to help them.
>>>>>
>>>>> While this is true, it is also true that getting users to use correct
>>>>> terminology also helps. "Help me, my computer is sick" will get
>>>>> different answers than "Help me my computer has a virus".
>>>>>
>>>>> Please do not insist that experts 'dumb down' their responses in the
>>>>> face of such illogical resistance to the use of correct terminology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you ever searched a machine to see what is being started from the
>>>>> registry or any of the many other autostart methods? Many times
>>>>> this is
>>>>> done so that one can disable the startup of the malware so that
>>>>> investigation can proceed without interference from the malware still
>>>>> running. This could be a monumental waste of time if you are dealing
>>>>> with a virus, as a virus will start when its host program is run and
>>>>> doesn't need the other autostart methods that you can search for in
>>>>> that
>>>>> manner.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, the 'victim' doesn't care - but they *should*. If it weren't for
>>>>> antivirus scanners being able to find known viruses within infected
>>>>> files, the standard answer to victims of viral attack would be to
>>>>> flatten and rebuild and *do not* reload your image or any backed up
>>>>> *programs* you may have. This is not so for most other malware types
>>>>> because they don't infect preexisting programs with copies of
>>>>> themselves
>>>>> and insinuate themselves into your backups.
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I agree , I think the most important is to help the victim and educate
>>>> them about the offline registry editing method to resolve the
>>>> malwares or trojan depending to what extend the window registry is
>>>> being corrupted.
>>>
>>> I disagree. It is best to educate the great unwashed in
>>> defensive/preventative techniques where malware is concerned. They
>>> should already have been educated in backup/recovery schemes to cover
>>> them in case of disaster. The two schemes should be separate.Removal of
>>> malware after the fact of infestation can be well beyond their *ability*
>>> to comprehend and is best left to professionals.
>>>
>>> ...but yes, the ability to access the dormant registry on a drive in a
>>> surrogate computer is definitely a plus.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>
>> I agree with you raft.
>>
> I was expecting to have to explain that the lack of comprehension was
> not due to an intellectual disability, but a motivational one. Most
> users don't care to learn stuff, they just want their appliance fixed.
>
Again I agree. People choose what they wish to learn that pleases them.
Most computer users simply want a medium to access the Internet and
perform various computer functions that works.

Most people know little about repairing a car and maintenance is done by
blue collar workers...same with computers.

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Bear <bearbottoms1+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> On 1/26/2012 9:57 PM, Dustin wrote:
>> I can be a good friend Bear, or your worst enemy. The decision is
>> yours.
>
> I'm not the one attacking you. That decision is yours. We can
> continue in a civil manner or you will drop out of my world. The
> choice is yours.

I have no control over your killfile. I don't netcop, but I will give my
opinion.




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