Conroe (or Core Duo) is the new CPU coming out next month. Broadwater is a
chipset. Is Broadwater a chip on the Core Duo CPU? Or does it have to do
with a chip on the mobo?

Thanks!!

Eddie

On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:26:25 -0400, "Eddie G"
<mickeddie@(removeme)comcast.net> wrote:

>Conroe (or Core Duo) is the new CPU coming out next month. Broadwater is a
>chipset. Is Broadwater a chip on the Core Duo CPU? Or does it have to do
>with a chip on the mobo?

If it's a chipset it'll be a combination of two chips: 1) a Memory
Controller Hub which connects to the host CPU and has a memory controller
and PCI-E x16 (1 or 2 ?) interface for video; 2) an I/O Hub which contains
most of the other I/O functions of a system.

It's not unusual for I/O hub devices to cross generations of "chipsets" so
when Intel talks of a chipset, the key focus is on the MCH.

--
Rgds, George Macdonald

"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:26:25 -0400, "Eddie G"
> <mickeddie@(removeme)comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Conroe (or Core Duo) is the new CPU coming out next month. Broadwater is
>>a
>>chipset. Is Broadwater a chip on the Core Duo CPU? Or does it have to do
>>with a chip on the mobo?
>
> If it's a chipset it'll be a combination of two chips: 1) a Memory
> Controller Hub which connects to the host CPU and has a memory controller
> and PCI-E x16 (1 or 2 ?) interface for video; 2) an I/O Hub which contains
> most of the other I/O functions of a system.
>
> It's not unusual for I/O hub devices to cross generations of "chipsets" so
> when Intel talks of a chipset, the key focus is on the MCH.

I'm not sure if you answered my question as I have no knowledge of this part
of computing (aside from the basics, although I didn't know that PCI-E
interface was on the MCH...I thought it was just a slot on the mobo) and
because of this I don't understand your answer. The chipset is the
Northbridge and Southbridge, right? What is the relationship between Core 2
Duo and Broadwater? Will the CPU run on a mob with OUT the Broadwater
chipset?

Thanks!!

Eddie

On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:41:20 -0400, "Eddie G"
<mickeddie@(removeme)comcast.net> wrote:

>
>"George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:26:25 -0400, "Eddie G"
>> <mickeddie@(removeme)comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Conroe (or Core Duo) is the new CPU coming out next month. Broadwater is
>>>a
>>>chipset. Is Broadwater a chip on the Core Duo CPU? Or does it have to do
>>>with a chip on the mobo?
>>
>> If it's a chipset it'll be a combination of two chips: 1) a Memory
>> Controller Hub which connects to the host CPU and has a memory controller
>> and PCI-E x16 (1 or 2 ?) interface for video; 2) an I/O Hub which contains
>> most of the other I/O functions of a system.
>>
>> It's not unusual for I/O hub devices to cross generations of "chipsets" so
>> when Intel talks of a chipset, the key focus is on the MCH.
>
>I'm not sure if you answered my question as I have no knowledge of this part
>of computing (aside from the basics, although I didn't know that PCI-E
>interface was on the MCH...I thought it was just a slot on the mobo) and
>because of this I don't understand your answer.

Well yes, it *is* a slot on the mbrd but it has to connect to somewhere -
for video that needs to be a fast connection for memory burst transfers,
therefore to the MCH.

> The chipset is the
>Northbridge and Southbridge, right? What is the relationship between Core 2
>Duo and Broadwater? Will the CPU run on a mob with OUT the Broadwater
>chipset?

Northbridge and southbridge are sort of obsolete terminology for desktop
chipsets... still used by Intel in their server chipsets though. Intel
uses MCH and ICH now - see the diagram here:
http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/975x/index.htm. If I'm not mistaken
The Core 2 CPU has been demoed on mbrds with a i975X chipset - Broadwater
is no doubt some new iteration on that familiar theme.

--
Rgds, George Macdonald

"Eddie G" <mickeddie@(removeme)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:26:25 -0400, "Eddie G"
>> <mickeddie@(removeme)comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Conroe (or Core Duo) is the new CPU coming out next month. Broadwater is
>>>a
>>>chipset. Is Broadwater a chip on the Core Duo CPU? Or does it have to
>>>do
>>>with a chip on the mobo?
>>
>> If it's a chipset it'll be a combination of two chips: 1) a Memory
>> Controller Hub which connects to the host CPU and has a memory controller
>> and PCI-E x16 (1 or 2 ?) interface for video; 2) an I/O Hub which
>> contains
>> most of the other I/O functions of a system.
>>
>> It's not unusual for I/O hub devices to cross generations of "chipsets"
>> so
>> when Intel talks of a chipset, the key focus is on the MCH.
>
> I'm not sure if you answered my question as I have no knowledge of this
> part of computing (aside from the basics, although I didn't know that
> PCI-E interface was on the MCH...I thought it was just a slot on the mobo)
> and because of this I don't understand your answer. The chipset is the
> Northbridge and Southbridge, right? What is the relationship between Core
> 2 Duo and Broadwater? Will the CPU run on a mob with OUT the Broadwater
> chipset?
>

See for example

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2643

Apparently current chipsets are compatible with Conroe, but they need to
make an adjustment of the voltage regulator or something, so older versions
of the motherboard may not be. You just need to make sure that the
motherboard you are getting is a newer version that is Conroe compatible.

> Thanks!!
>
> Eddie
>

"Mark" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Eddie G" <mickeddie@(removeme)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:26:25 -0400, "Eddie G"
>>> <mickeddie@(removeme)comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Conroe (or Core Duo) is the new CPU coming out next month. Broadwater
>>>>is a
>>>>chipset. Is Broadwater a chip on the Core Duo CPU? Or does it have to
>>>>do
>>>>with a chip on the mobo?
>>>
>>> If it's a chipset it'll be a combination of two chips: 1) a Memory
>>> Controller Hub which connects to the host CPU and has a memory
>>> controller
>>> and PCI-E x16 (1 or 2 ?) interface for video; 2) an I/O Hub which
>>> contains
>>> most of the other I/O functions of a system.
>>>
>>> It's not unusual for I/O hub devices to cross generations of "chipsets"
>>> so
>>> when Intel talks of a chipset, the key focus is on the MCH.
>>
>> I'm not sure if you answered my question as I have no knowledge of this
>> part of computing (aside from the basics, although I didn't know that
>> PCI-E interface was on the MCH...I thought it was just a slot on the
>> mobo) and because of this I don't understand your answer. The chipset is
>> the Northbridge and Southbridge, right? What is the relationship between
>> Core 2 Duo and Broadwater? Will the CPU run on a mob with OUT the
>> Broadwater chipset?
>>
>
> See for example
>
> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2643

After reading the specs I am curious about the cooling. Does this mean case
fans won't be necessary?

"Eddie G" <mickeddie@(removeme)comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Mark" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> "Eddie G" <mickeddie@(removeme)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "George Macdonald" <fammacd=!SPAM^(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>>> message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:26:25 -0400, "Eddie G"
>>>> <mickeddie@(removeme)comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Conroe (or Core Duo) is the new CPU coming out next month. Broadwater
>>>>>is a
>>>>>chipset. Is Broadwater a chip on the Core Duo CPU? Or does it have to
>>>>>do
>>>>>with a chip on the mobo?
>>>>
>>>> If it's a chipset it'll be a combination of two chips: 1) a Memory
>>>> Controller Hub which connects to the host CPU and has a memory
>>>> controller
>>>> and PCI-E x16 (1 or 2 ?) interface for video; 2) an I/O Hub which
>>>> contains
>>>> most of the other I/O functions of a system.
>>>>
>>>> It's not unusual for I/O hub devices to cross generations of "chipsets"
>>>> so
>>>> when Intel talks of a chipset, the key focus is on the MCH.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if you answered my question as I have no knowledge of this
>>> part of computing (aside from the basics, although I didn't know that
>>> PCI-E interface was on the MCH...I thought it was just a slot on the
>>> mobo) and because of this I don't understand your answer. The chipset
>>> is the Northbridge and Southbridge, right? What is the relationship
>>> between Core 2 Duo and Broadwater? Will the CPU run on a mob with OUT
>>> the Broadwater chipset?
>>>
>>
>> See for example
>>
>> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2643
>
> After reading the specs I am curious about the cooling. Does this mean
> case fans won't be necessary?
>

In some ways, the dependence on passive cooling means that case fans will be
even more important, although whether they are necessary depends on a lot of
factors including just how hot the ambient air temperature where you have
your computer will be. The good thing about case fans is that they can be
quite efficient even at low speeds, so they can be practically noiseless.