Never used a SATA drive, can it be attached master/slave on the same cable
with an IDE optical drive or no?

In article <nuTsg.7272$(E-Mail Removed)>, "HiC"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Never used a SATA drive, can it be attached master/slave on the same cable
> with an IDE optical drive or no?

No.

PATA (ribbon cable) drives, go two to a cable. One is
master, one is slave.

SATA (thin cable) drives go one to a cable. There is no
master/slave jumper. The BIOS may refer to them as master
and slave in the BIOS screen showing the drives, but that
is purely a bookkeeping notion (i.e. "pretending" to be
like the older drives).

PATA and SATA use different electrical interfaces and
are not interchangable.

If your motherboard has four SATA connectors, then you
can connect four SATA drives.

If you have no SATA connectors, then tell us that first.
There are a few solutions, some better than others.
Knowing your motherboard brand and model number, will help
with suggesting a solution.

******
There is also an option, which is available with some
SATA chips, to handle more drives from one interface.
But support for that feature is not something that
would be commonly found in a motherboard, so there is
no need to know anything about it yet.

This is some silicon to support five drives from a
single SATA port. A box with this costs about $100.
But the motherboard port may not support the feature,
and may not know what to do when such a device is
plugged in. Presumably driver support is needed to
talk to devices like this. To boot from it, the BIOS
would have to know a thing or to. But some day, this
option will be marketed a bit more strongly. Right now,
this chip would be connected to a RAID controller,
something like a SIL3132.

"SATALink SATA II Port Multiplier"
http://www.siliconimage.com/products...x?id=26&ptid=1

"SiI 3132"
http://www.siliconimage.com/products/product.aspx?id=32

Paul

No.

--
DaveW

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"HiC" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Never used a SATA drive, can it be attached master/slave on the same cable
> with an IDE optical drive or no?
>
>

"DaveW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> No.

Look, can you just get to the point and give me a straight answer without
all the embellishment?

;-)

"HiC" <(E-Mail Removed)> blabbered in news:OhYsg.6681$PE1.5621
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> "DaveW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> No.
>
> Look, can you just get to the point and give me a straight answer without
> all the embellishment?
>
> ;-)

LOL! How else can you reply to a basically dumb question? I mean ...
combining an IDE and an SATA device in the same chain? Duhhhhhhh.....

"HiC" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:nuTsg.7272$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Never used a SATA drive, can it be attached master/slave on the same cable
> with an IDE optical drive or no?

http://www.cooldrives.com/native-sat...cron-chip.html

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:03:31 +0000, HiC wrote:

> Never used a SATA drive, can it be attached master/slave on the same cable
> with an IDE optical drive or no?

I also have never used a SATA drive before, although the motherboard on my
latest now 3 year old computer is SATA ready. I am about to build a new
computer, which I will equip with 1 SATA hard drive for starters, but I
will also want to install at least one of the IDE hard drives from the
older computer in the machine. The idea being, to use the older IDE drives
as long as they last as sort of a backup (yes, I know about RAID, etc.,
but I got the older drives, they are still good, so for now this is what I
will do), as the newer SATA drives with >200 GB is sufficient for our
storage needs.

So in view of my current state of hardware knowledge, I can perhaps better
understand what the original poster is trying to ask here. He probably has
as little knowledge of the mechanics of a SATA drive as I did about two
weeks ago.

I think from the replies so far it must be clear that the SATA drive is
attached with its own cables and does not share the same cabling as the
optical drives. What I would like to know (and maybe the o.p. as well) is
what needs to be done to set up a PC with, say, one SATA drive as the boot
drive, one or two IDE drives, one CD read/writer and one DVD reader?

What needs to be done to tell the BIOS to boot from the SATA (I think I
just need to specify this in the BIOS menu)?

How should the two IDE hard drives and the two optical drives be connected
on the two available cables - two hard drives together and two optical
drives together? or 1 hard drive and one optical on each. And in the later
case, does it make a difference which device is on the end? And what about
the jumper settings for the IDE hard drives - set as slave, as master, or
something else?

Thanks!

Steve, Denmark

coolsti <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:03:31 +0000, HiC wrote:
>
>> Never used a SATA drive, can it be attached master/slave on the same
>> cable with an IDE optical drive or no?
>
> I also have never used a SATA drive before, although the motherboard
> on my latest now 3 year old computer is SATA ready. I am about to
> build a new computer, which I will equip with 1 SATA hard drive for
> starters, but I will also want to install at least one of the IDE
> hard drives from the older computer in the machine. The idea being,
> to use the older IDE drives as long as they last as sort of a backup
> (yes, I know about RAID, etc., but I got the older drives, they are
> still good, so for now this is what I will do), as the newer SATA
> drives with >200 GB is sufficient for our storage needs.
>
> So in view of my current state of hardware knowledge, I can perhaps
> better understand what the original poster is trying to ask here. He
> probably has as little knowledge of the mechanics of a SATA drive as
> I did about two weeks ago.
>
> I think from the replies so far it must be clear that the SATA drive
> is attached with its own cables and does not share the same cabling
> as the optical drives. What I would like to know (and maybe the o.p.
> as well) is what needs to be done to set up a PC with, say, one SATA
> drive as the boot drive, one or two IDE drives, one CD read/writer
> and one DVD reader?

> What needs to be done to tell the BIOS to boot from the SATA
> (I think I just need to specify this in the BIOS menu)?

Yep.

> How should the two IDE hard drives and the two optical drives be
> connected on the two available cables - two hard drives together and
> two optical drives together? or 1 hard drive and one optical on each.

Its usually best to have the optical drives on one cable and the
hard drives on one cable, just because the cabling is more
practical that way with IDE hard drives and optical drives just
because the hard drives are in the 3.5" drive bay stack and the
optical drives are in the 5.25" drive bay stack and there isnt
that much distance between the drive connectors on IDE cables.

> And in the later case, does it make a
> difference which device is on the end?

Not when there are two drives on the cable. Its best
to have the single drive on the end if there is only one.

> And what about the jumper settings for the IDE hard
> drives - set as slave, as master, or something else?

New systems should work fine with cable select and master/slave.
Cable select has the advantage that the drive jumpers dont ever
need changing but master/slave works fine too, just make sure
that one is jumpered master and the other slave on one ribbon cable.

"Ben Dover" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> LOL! How else can you reply to a basically dumb question? I mean ...
> combining an IDE and an SATA device in the same chain? Duhhhhhhh.....

Well, I can think of a couple of ways one could potentially reply to such a
question. You could take the attitude of the stereoptypically smug, smarmy,
"I'm so ****ing brilliant I was born knowing everything why weren't you?"
geek.

Or like several have done here, you can offer an answer without editorial
comment, realizing that you in fact *weren't* born knowing it all and only
twerps with self-esteem issues pretend otherwise.

Oh well, now wouldja lookee there, someone from the latter category posted a
link to a piece that does in fact let you use a SATA drive on an IDE cable.
Gee, did you know about this? I mean, having been born knowing all that was,
is and shall be, I guess you just forgot, huh.

"HiC" <brassplyer xyahoo.com> wrote:

> "Ben Dover" <bendme shakeme.net> wrote in message
> news:r5Zsg.513$W%2.143 fe09.lga...
>
>> LOL! How else can you reply to a basically dumb question? I mean
>> ... combining an IDE and an SATA device in the same chain?
>> Duhhhhhhh.....
>
> Well, I can think of a couple of ways one could potentially reply
> to such a question. You could take the attitude of the
> stereoptypically smug, smarmy, "I'm so ****ing brilliant I was
> born knowing everything why weren't you?" geek.

You asked a simple question and you got a simple answer.

> Or like several have done here, you can offer an answer without
> editorial comment,

Welcome to USENET.

> realizing that you in fact *weren't* born knowing it all and only
> twerps with self-esteem issues pretend otherwise.
> Oh well, now wouldja lookee there, someone from the latter
> category posted a link to a piece that does in fact let you use a
> SATA drive on an IDE cable.

So we can expect you to go for it and let us know how it turns out?

> Gee, did you know about this? I mean, having been born knowing all
> that was, is and shall be, I guess you just forgot, huh.

Sound like a troll to me.





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