Hi all...

I ordered a Pentium 4-M from PC Connection, and it arrived.
The thing is, it arrived, in an Intel box, but without the fan
and heat-sync it was supposed to come with.

I called PC Connection, and they said, yes, it was supposed to come
with one. But they didn't know why it didn't.

I called Intel, and they quickly told me that only OEM versions come
without fan and heatsink, so I should tel PC Connection they sold me
an OEM chip.

I did a bit of research, and, supposedly, OEM versions don't come in
Intel boxes.

So I'm confused... I've got an Intel box, unopened, but it contains
a chip and manual, but no fan nor heatsink.

What's going on here? Anyone have any experience with this kind of thing?

Also, I want to replace my IBM Thinkpad A31's P4M 1.8Ghz with this new
P4M 2.4Ghz chip. Can I use the fan and heatsink it already has, or are
the ones that come with a Retail version of the P4M 2.4Ghz chip
beefier somehow?

- Tim


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"Spammay Blockay" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:cibfcl$u69$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Also, I want to replace my IBM Thinkpad A31's P4M 1.8Ghz with this new
> P4M 2.4Ghz chip. Can I use the fan and heatsink it already has, or are
> the ones that come with a Retail version of the P4M 2.4Ghz chip
> beefier somehow?

Call Intel again or check the power consumption specs for both CPUs. The new
ones should dissipate less heat, but it's still 2.4 GHz against 1.8 so
check..

Spammay Blockay wrote:

> I ordered a Pentium 4-M from PC Connection, and it arrived.
> The thing is, it arrived, in an Intel box, but without the fan
> and heat-sync it was supposed to come with.

Is it an OEM CPU? Only intel boxed CPUs come with heat sink...

But then, I wonder what kind of heat sink should come with an P4-M CPU as
these CPUs are usually used in notebooks, and notebooks have very customized
heatsink/fan constructions...

> Also, I want to replace my IBM Thinkpad A31's P4M 1.8Ghz with this new
> P4M 2.4Ghz chip. Can I use the fan and heatsink it already has, or
> are the ones that come with a Retail version of the P4M 2.4Ghz chip
> beefier somehow?

I upgraded my IBM A31 recently from P4-M 1.4 to P4-M 2.2GHz, and I re-used
the original fan/heat sink. It works fine, the temperature didn't raise any
higher than with the old CPU even under full load. SO the 2.4GHz CPU should
be fine, too.

As to the heatsink/fan, You have to use the original heatsink/fan because
notebooks have customized constructions, and standard fans/heatsinks don't
fit. So it doesn't matter if Your CPU would come with heatsink or not,
simply because this heatsink won't fit...

Benjamin

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:29:26 GMT, (E-Mail Removed)
(Spammay Blockay) wrote:

>Hi all...
>
>I ordered a Pentium 4-M from PC Connection, and it arrived.
>The thing is, it arrived, in an Intel box, but without the fan
>and heat-sync it was supposed to come with.
>
>I called PC Connection, and they said, yes, it was supposed to come
>with one. But they didn't know why it didn't.
>
>I called Intel, and they quickly told me that only OEM versions come
>without fan and heatsink, so I should tel PC Connection they sold me
>an OEM chip.

I wasn't aware that retail versions of mobile CPUs existed - laptop buyers
are not expected to even be capable of opening them up. If it really was
supposed to come with a heatsink, you may have been sold an "open box"
where a previous buyer kept the heatsink - PC Connection should make good
on this.

>I did a bit of research, and, supposedly, OEM versions don't come in
>Intel boxes.
>
>So I'm confused... I've got an Intel box, unopened, but it contains
>a chip and manual, but no fan nor heatsink.
>
>What's going on here? Anyone have any experience with this kind of thing?
>
>Also, I want to replace my IBM Thinkpad A31's P4M 1.8Ghz with this new
>P4M 2.4Ghz chip. Can I use the fan and heatsink it already has, or are
>the ones that come with a Retail version of the P4M 2.4Ghz chip
>beefier somehow?

Have you already downloaded the hardware manual for the A31:
http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site...IGR-39298.html ? You might find
something in there about possible different types of heatsinks for the
different processor models.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

In article <cibi4n$qf2$(E-Mail Removed)>, agh <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>"Spammay Blockay" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:cibfcl$u69$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Also, I want to replace my IBM Thinkpad A31's P4M 1.8Ghz with this new
>> P4M 2.4Ghz chip. Can I use the fan and heatsink it already has, or are
>> the ones that come with a Retail version of the P4M 2.4Ghz chip
>> beefier somehow?
>
>Call Intel again or check the power consumption specs for both CPUs. The new
>ones should dissipate less heat, but it's still 2.4 GHz against 1.8 so
>check..

I called them, and they said I can reuse my current fan and heatsync.
THIS time, they also told me that that chip DOESN'T come with a fan
and heatsync. So I heard both things from two different guys...
Oh well, I'll just use the damn chip. :-)

- Tim

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Benjamin Gawert wrote:

> I upgraded my IBM A31 recently from P4-M 1.4 to P4-M 2.2GHz, and I
> re-used the original fan/heat sink. It works fine, the temperature
> didn't raise any higher than with the old CPU even under full load. SO
> the 2.4GHz CPU should be fine, too.

May we assume that it now kicks-ass compared to the old CPU? I was
looking at the R41, but if the A31 takes the upgrade it may be fine for
what I want, and even available used if I look.

--
-bill davidsen ((E-Mail Removed))
"The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the
last possible moment - but no longer" -me

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
Benjamin Gawert <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>Spammay Blockay wrote:
>
>> I ordered a Pentium 4-M from PC Connection, and it arrived.
>> The thing is, it arrived, in an Intel box, but without the fan
>> and heat-sync it was supposed to come with.
>
>Is it an OEM CPU? Only intel boxed CPUs come with heat sink...
>
>But then, I wonder what kind of heat sink should come with an P4-M CPU as
>these CPUs are usually used in notebooks, and notebooks have very customized
>heatsink/fan constructions...

It was in a retail box... but today at Intel, the guy I talked
to told me it did NOT come with heatsink and fan. Weird to hear
these opposite bits of info.

The chip has these little metal pegs coming out of one side, which
I suspect are built-in heatsinks (not to be confused with the pins on
the other side).

>> Also, I want to replace my IBM Thinkpad A31's P4M 1.8Ghz with this new
>> P4M 2.4Ghz chip. Can I use the fan and heatsink it already has, or
>> are the ones that come with a Retail version of the P4M 2.4Ghz chip
>> beefier somehow?
>
>I upgraded my IBM A31 recently from P4-M 1.4 to P4-M 2.2GHz, and I re-used
>the original fan/heat sink. It works fine, the temperature didn't raise any
>higher than with the old CPU even under full load. SO the 2.4GHz CPU should
>be fine, too.
>
>As to the heatsink/fan, You have to use the original heatsink/fan because
>notebooks have customized constructions, and standard fans/heatsinks don't
>fit. So it doesn't matter if Your CPU would come with heatsink or not,
>simply because this heatsink won't fit...

Wow, thanks for all the information! I believe I can rest easier
now that I won't have an opened-up notebook with screws all over and
not be able to put the new chip in!

- Tim

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In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:29:26 GMT, (E-Mail Removed)
>(Spammay Blockay) wrote:
>
>>Hi all...
>>
>>I ordered a Pentium 4-M from PC Connection, and it arrived.
>>The thing is, it arrived, in an Intel box, but without the fan
>>and heat-sync it was supposed to come with.
>>
>>I called PC Connection, and they said, yes, it was supposed to come
>>with one. But they didn't know why it didn't.
>>
>>I called Intel, and they quickly told me that only OEM versions come
>>without fan and heatsink, so I should tel PC Connection they sold me
>>an OEM chip.
>
>I wasn't aware that retail versions of mobile CPUs existed - laptop buyers
>are not expected to even be capable of opening them up. If it really was
>supposed to come with a heatsink, you may have been sold an "open box"
>where a previous buyer kept the heatsink - PC Connection should make good
>on this.
>
>>I did a bit of research, and, supposedly, OEM versions don't come in
>>Intel boxes.
>>
>>So I'm confused... I've got an Intel box, unopened, but it contains
>>a chip and manual, but no fan nor heatsink.
>>
>>What's going on here? Anyone have any experience with this kind of thing?
>>
>>Also, I want to replace my IBM Thinkpad A31's P4M 1.8Ghz with this new
>>P4M 2.4Ghz chip. Can I use the fan and heatsink it already has, or are
>>the ones that come with a Retail version of the P4M 2.4Ghz chip
>>beefier somehow?
>
>Have you already downloaded the hardware manual for the A31:
>http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site...IGR-39298.html ? You might find
>something in there about possible different types of heatsinks for the
>different processor models.

I've downloaded the manual, haven't looked at it in detail yet.
But I think everything will work out fine now. Thanks!

- Tim

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Bill Davidsen wrote:

>> I upgraded my IBM A31 recently from P4-M 1.4 to P4-M 2.2GHz, and I
>> re-used the original fan/heat sink. It works fine, the temperature
>> didn't raise any higher than with the old CPU even under full load.
>> SO the 2.4GHz CPU should be fine, too.
>
> May we assume that it now kicks-ass compared to the old CPU?

Yes, it's ass-kicking. It felt like a complete new notebook...

> I was
> looking at the R41, but if the A31 takes the upgrade it may be fine
> for what I want, and even available used if I look.

I like the A31, and certainly never will give it away. It's now ~2.5yrs old
but runs over 8hrs/day and doesn't get handled very carefully, and always
served me without problems...

Benjamin

Spammay Blockay wrote:

> It was in a retail box... but today at Intel, the guy I talked
> to told me it did NOT come with heatsink and fan. Weird to hear
> these opposite bits of info.

Maybe the first guy didn't notice You were talking about a mobile chip...

> The chip has these little metal pegs coming out of one side, which
> I suspect are built-in heatsinks (not to be confused with the pins on
> the other side).

No, that's the CPU die ccover. P4-M doesn't have a heat spreader but only a
die cover like the old FCPGA P3s or the AMD Athlons...

> Wow, thanks for all the information! I believe I can rest easier
> now that I won't have an opened-up notebook with screws all over and
> not be able to put the new chip in!

You don't have to open much, replacing the CPU at the A31 is very easy...

Benjamin