There is this system partition 1 with deleted mbr,both Fat tables
probably and possibly some files possibly fragmented .However in
norton disk editor/advanced recovery when you play with sectors per
fat and other numbers you get to see a root directory and folders in
it along with starting cluster and size.Is it possible to enter to see
inside those folders and what is the procedure to copy the individual
folder to say fat32 partition 2 which is ok
thanks in advance and if possible please copy the reply to my email as
well

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poster wrote:

> There is this system partition 1 with deleted mbr,both Fat tables

Sorry Poster,
but a system partition with deleted MBR is *NOT BOOTABLE* !
What failure message do you see under what Operating system?
You posted in an incorrect group.
Identify your operating system and post in that group.

> probably and possibly some files possibly fragmented .However in
> norton disk editor/advanced recovery when you play with sectors per
> fat and other numbers you get to see a root directory and folders in
> it along with starting cluster and size.Is it possible to enter to see
> inside those folders and what is the procedure to copy the individual
> folder to say fat32 partition 2 which is ok

Nothing! You need to provide a bootable partition incl. MBR!
Try "fixmbr" = check Windows HELP for your personal system!

Also FAT32 is no longer up to date for a current Windows system!
NTFS should be preferred.

WHAT OS are you using?
Linux requires other settings than Windows!

> thanks in advance and if possible please copy the reply to my email as
> well
NO! Your name is obscure! Look into this NG for a response.
Horst

On 5 авг, 07:18, "Horst Franke" <nospam@invalid> wrote:
> Innews:d68c3cae-d865-48aa-9ddb-(E-Mail Removed)
>
> poster wrote:
> > There is this system partition 1 with deleted mbr,both Fat tables
>
> Sorry Poster,
> but a system partition with deleted MBR is *NOT BOOTABLE* !
> What failure message do you see under what Operating system?
> You posted in an incorrect group.
> Identify your operating system and post in that group.
>
> > probably and possibly some files possibly fragmented .However in
> >nortondiskeditor/advanced recovery when you play with sectors per
> > fat and other numbers you get to see a root directory and folders in
> > it along with starting cluster and size.Is it possible to enter to see
> > inside Â*those folders and what is the procedure to copy the individual
> > folder to say fat32 partition 2 which is ok
>
> Nothing! You need to provide a bootable partition incl. MBR!
> Try "fixmbr" = check Windows HELP for your personal system!
>
> Also FAT32 is no longer up to date for a current Windows system!
> NTFS should be preferred.
>
> WHAT OS are you using?
> Linux requires other settings than Windows!
>
> > thanks in advance and if possible please copy the reply to my email as
> > well
>
> NO! Your name is obscure! Look into this NG for a response.
> Horst

thanks
it is windows PC and in Norton editor I did fill out first partition
mbr entry ok based on 2d partition data but still not visible in dos
ok
(I do not need 1st partition to be bootable just acessible so I could
use undelete software, although I did try one program that tackles bad
partitions as well
but most of word documents it undeleted were full of garbage-
illegible!)

On Aug 6, 5:56Â*pm, poster <anglom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 5 авг, 07:18, "Horst Franke" <nospam@invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Innews:d68c3cae-d865-48aa-9ddb-(E-Mail Removed)
>
> > poster wrote:
> > > There is this system partition 1 with deleted mbr,both Fat tables
>
> > Sorry Poster,
> > but a system partition with deleted MBR is *NOT BOOTABLE* !
> > What failure message do you see under what Operating system?
> > You posted in an incorrect group.
> > Identify your operating system and post in that group.
>
> > > probably and possibly some files possibly fragmented .However in
> > >nortondiskeditor/advanced recovery when you play with sectors per
> > > fat and other numbers you get to see a root directory and folders in
> > > it along with starting cluster and size.Is it possible to enter to see
> > > inside Â*those folders and what is the procedure to copy the individual
> > > folder to say fat32 partition 2 which is ok
>
> > Nothing! You need to provide a bootable partition incl. MBR!
> > Try "fixmbr" = check Windows HELP for your personal system!
>
> > Also FAT32 is no longer up to date for a current Windows system!
> > NTFS should be preferred.
>
> > WHAT OS are you using?
> > Linux requires other settings than Windows!
>
> > > thanks in advance and if possible please copy the reply to my email as
> > > well
>
> > NO! Your name is obscure! Look into this NG for a response.
> > Horst
>
> thanks
> it is windows PC and in Norton editor I did fill out first partition
> mbr entry ok based on 2d partition data but still not visible in dos
> ok
> (I do not need 1st partition to be bootable just acessible so I could
> use undelete software, although I did try one program that tackles bad
> partitions as well
> but most of word documents it undeleted were full of garbage-
> illegible!)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Did the Word documents have a valid signature, ie start 0xD0 0xCF. If
not, then you have hit the FAT32 cluster problem I highlighter
earlier. If the files start correctly, then you probably have a
fragmentation problem.

Michael
www.cnwrecovery.com

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poster wrote:

>> poster wrote:
>>> There is this system partition 1 with deleted mbr,both Fat tables

>> but a system partition with deleted MBR is *NOT BOOTABLE* !
>> What failure message do you see under what Operating system?
>> You posted in an incorrect group.
>> Identify your operating system and post in that group.

>>> probably and possibly some files possibly fragmented .However in
>>> nortondiskeditor/advanced recovery when you play with sectors per
>>> fat and other numbers you get to see a root directory and folders in
>>> it along with starting cluster and size.Is it possible to enter to
>>> see inside those folders and what is the procedure to copy the
>>> individual folder to say fat32 partition 2 which is ok

NO! You will only see data - but no chance to boot!

>> You need to provide a bootable partition incl. MBR!
>> Try "fixmbr" = check Windows HELP for your personal system!

>> Also FAT32 is no longer up to date for a current Windows system!
>> NTFS should be preferred.
>> WHAT OS are you using?
>> Linux requires other settings than Windows!

> thanks
> it is windows PC and in Norton editor I did fill out first partition
> mbr entry ok based on 2d partition data but still not visible in dos

NO! You only provided access to a data partition w/o a BOOT chance!

> (I do not need 1st partition to be bootable just acessible so I could
> use undelete software, although I did try one program that tackles bad
> partitions as well

Sorry, if You are not able to boot any system, then there is also NO
chance to control any data.
You just manipulate any disk data but besides any OS access.

> but most of word documents it undeleted were full of garbage-
> illegible!)

Shure, You did access the data offsite any OS system!

As far as I understand Your problem: You accessed a disk besides using
any OS system FileSystem routines.
But the FS is related on any OS - so changing any values besides the OS
will never guarantee controlled access.

With Norton Disk Editor You may corrupt any system.

Come back to your previous used OS system and start again.
Otherwise you work on a byte basis which is very difficult to control.
Horst

Horst Franke wrote:
>
> In news:d68c3cae-d865-48aa-9ddb-(E-Mail Removed)
> poster wrote:
>
> > There is this system partition 1 with deleted mbr,both Fat tables
>
> Sorry Poster,
> but a system partition with deleted MBR is *NOT BOOTABLE* !
> What failure message do you see under what Operating system?
> You posted in an incorrect group.
> Identify your operating system and post in that group.
>
> > probably and possibly some files possibly fragmented .However in
> > norton disk editor/advanced recovery when you play with sectors per
> > fat and other numbers you get to see a root directory and folders in
> > it along with starting cluster and size.Is it possible to enter to see
> > inside those folders and what is the procedure to copy the individual
> > folder to say fat32 partition 2 which is ok
>
> Nothing! You need to provide a bootable partition incl. MBR!
> Try "fixmbr" = check Windows HELP for your personal system!
>
> Also FAT32 is no longer up to date for a current Windows system!
> NTFS should be preferred.
>
> WHAT OS are you using?
> Linux requires other settings than Windows!
>
> > thanks in advance and if possible please copy the reply to my email as
> > well
> NO! Your name is obscure! Look into this NG for a response.
> Horst


Hello, Horst:

Please...stop "shouting," man. :-P

--
Cordially,
John Turco <(E-Mail Removed)>

Paintings Pain and Pun <http://laughatthepain.blogspot.com>

On 10 ÐÒÓ, 07:58, John Turco <j...@concentric.net> wrote:
> Horst Franke wrote:
>
> > Innews:d68c3cae-d865-48aa-9ddb-(E-Mail Removed)
> > poster wrote:
>
> > > There is this system partition 1 with deletedmbr,both Fat tables
>
> > Sorry Poster,
> > but a system partition with deletedMBRis *NOT BOOTABLE* !
> > What failure message do you see under what Operating system?
> > You posted in an incorrect group.
> > Identify your operating system and post in that group.
>
> > > probably and possibly some files possibly fragmented .However in
> > > norton disk editor/advanced recovery when you play with sectors per
> > > fat and other numbers you get to see a root directory and folders in
> > > it along with starting cluster and size.Is it possible to enter to see
> > > inside *those folders and what is the procedure to copy the individual
> > > folder to say fat32 partition 2 which is ok
>
> > Nothing! You need to provide a bootable partition incl.MBR!
> > Try "fixmbr" = check Windows HELP for your personal system!
>
> > Also FAT32 is no longer up to date for a current Windows system!
> > NTFS should be preferred.
>
> > WHAT OS are you using?
> > Linux requires other settings than Windows!
>
> > > thanks in advance and if possible please copy the reply to my email as
> > > well
> > NO! Your name is obscure! Look into this NG for a response.
> > Horst
>
> Hello, Horst:
>
> Please...stop "shouting," man. :-P
>
> --
> Cordially,
> * * * * * *John Turco <j...@concentric.net>
>
> Paintings Pain and Pun <http://laughatthepain.blogspot.com>- ÁÐÚàØø ÝÐÒÕÔÕÝØ âÕÚáâ -
>
> - ¿àØÚÐÖØ âÕÚáâ Ø×ÜÕòã ÝÐÒÞÔÝØÚÐ -

I m going to boot off a recovery cd but software on it needs to have
working partition(visible in dos) so if I understand ok in addition to
partition table entry i made i need to do sys to fix boot sector and
that is not going to touch-overwrite any data files.Now all I need is
some tool instead of sys because for it you need a destination drive
Anyway mscotgrove can you suggest recovery-undelete software that
takes care of both problems you mention , I tried R-undelete how about
Norton unerase command?

poster wrote:
> On 10 ÐÒÓ, 07:58, John Turco <j...@concentric.net> wrote:
>> Horst Franke wrote:
>>
>>> Innews:d68c3cae-d865-48aa-9ddb-(E-Mail Removed)
>>> poster wrote:
>>
>>>> There is this system partition 1 with deletedmbr,both Fat tables
>>
>>> Sorry Poster,
>>> but a system partition with deletedMBRis *NOT BOOTABLE* !
>>> What failure message do you see under what Operating system?
>>> You posted in an incorrect group.
>>> Identify your operating system and post in that group.
>>
>>>> probably and possibly some files possibly fragmented .However in
>>>> norton disk editor/advanced recovery when you play with sectors per
>>>> fat and other numbers you get to see a root directory and folders
>>>> in it along with starting cluster and size.Is it possible to enter
>>>> to see inside those folders and what is the procedure to copy the
>>>> individual folder to say fat32 partition 2 which is ok
>>
>>> Nothing! You need to provide a bootable partition incl.MBR!
>>> Try "fixmbr" = check Windows HELP for your personal system!
>>
>>> Also FAT32 is no longer up to date for a current Windows system!
>>> NTFS should be preferred.
>>
>>> WHAT OS are you using?
>>> Linux requires other settings than Windows!
>>
>>>> thanks in advance and if possible please copy the reply to my
>>>> email as well
>>> NO! Your name is obscure! Look into this NG for a response.
>>> Horst
>>
>> Hello, Horst:
>>
>> Please...stop "shouting," man. :-P
>>
>> --
>> Cordially,
>> John Turco <j...@concentric.net>
>>
>> Paintings Pain and Pun <http://laughatthepain.blogspot.com>- ÁÐÚàØø
>> ÝÐÒÕÔÕÝØ âÕÚáâ -
>>
>> - ¿àØÚÐÖØ âÕÚáâ Ø×ÜÕòã ÝÐÒÞÔÝØÚÐ -

> I m going to boot off a recovery cd but software
> on it needs to have working partition(visible in dos)

You dont need that if you have a linux live CD.

> so if I understand ok in addition to partition table entry i made i need to do sys to fix boot sector

A sys doesnt fix the boot sector, it makes the partition bootable, a different matter entirely.

> and that is not going to touch-overwrite any data files.

Yes a sys does.

> Now all I need is some tool instead of sys because for it you need
> a destination drive Anyway mscotgrove can you suggest recovery-undelete
> software that takes care of both problems you mention , I tried R-undelete
> how about Norton unerase command?

Its very dangerous with a partition you dont want to write to.

On Aug 11, 6:52*pm, poster <anglom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 10 ÐÒÓ, 07:58, John Turco <j...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Horst Franke wrote:
>
> > > Innews:d68c3cae-d865-48aa-9ddb-(E-Mail Removed)
> > > poster wrote:
>
> > > > There is this system partition 1 with deletedmbr,both Fat tables
>
> > > Sorry Poster,
> > > but a system partition with deletedMBRis *NOT BOOTABLE* !
> > > What failure message do you see under what Operating system?
> > > You posted in an incorrect group.
> > > Identify your operating system and post in that group.
>
> > > > probably and possibly some files possibly fragmented .However in
> > > > norton disk editor/advanced recovery when you play with sectors per
> > > > fat and other numbers you get to see a root directory and folders in
> > > > it along with starting cluster and size.Is it possible to enter to see
> > > > inside *those folders and what is the procedure to copy the individual
> > > > folder to say fat32 partition 2 which is ok
>
> > > Nothing! You need to provide a bootable partition incl.MBR!
> > > Try "fixmbr" = check Windows HELP for your personal system!
>
> > > Also FAT32 is no longer up to date for a current Windows system!
> > > NTFS should be preferred.
>
> > > WHAT OS are you using?
> > > Linux requires other settings than Windows!
>
> > > > thanks in advance and if possible please copy the reply to my emailas
> > > > well
> > > NO! Your name is obscure! Look into this NG for a response.
> > > Horst
>
> > Hello, Horst:
>
> > Please...stop "shouting," man. :-P
>
> > --
> > Cordially,
> > * * * * * *John Turco <j...@concentric.net>
>
> > Paintings Pain and Pun <http://laughatthepain.blogspot.com>- ÁÐÚàØø ÝÐÒÕÔÕÝØ âÕÚáâ -
>
> > - ¿àØÚÐÖØ âÕÚáâ Ø×ÜÕòã ÝÐÒÞÔÝØÚÐ -
>
> I m going to boot off a recovery cd *but software on it needs to have
> working partition(visible in dos) so if I understand ok in addition to
> partition table entry i made i need to do sys to fix boot sector and
> that is not going to touch-overwrite any data files.Now all I need is
> some tool instead of sys because for it you need a destination drive
> Anyway mscotgrove can you suggest recovery-undelete software that
> takes care of both problems you mention , I tried R-undelete how about
> Norton unerase command?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I am biased, but I like to think the software I wrote will help you.

www.cnwrecovery.com

The software (true of any safe recovery software) must be loaded onto
a sperate PC, and the problem drive should be a slave drive. I
normally use USB caddy.

As I said earlier, never try and fix a problem drive - you can
overwrite all your good files for ever.

The demo of my software will indicate if files can be recovered, and
JPEGs can be views. Other files can be viewed as a hex dump. The
demo does not save files.

Michael