I have been using IE-6 and OE-6 so long.Keeping in mind the problem of
security have switched to Firefox and am extremely pleased by it.
The same unfortunately can't be said about T-Bird specially as a
newsreader.
Would you please give your opinions comparing the various mail clients as
regards both mail handling as well as aNewsreader with offline capabilities.
I would prefer a single client to do both jobs.
Keeping in mind that I am a newbie,opinion from the experts would be
welcome.
Thanks in advance,
Jaycee

Jaycee wrote:
> I have been using IE-6 and OE-6 so long.Keeping in mind the problem of
> security have switched to Firefox and am extremely pleased by it.
> The same unfortunately can't be said about T-Bird specially as a
> newsreader.

> Would you please give your opinions comparing the various mail clients as
> regards both mail handling as well as aNewsreader with offline capabilities.
> I would prefer a single client to do both jobs.
> Keeping in mind that I am a newbie,opinion from the experts would be

Incidently, I'm testing Thunderbird now as a replacement of Pegasus and
Xnews. I intend to post my impressions this weekend comparing the 2.

> welcome.
> Thanks in advance,
> Jaycee
>
>
>
>

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:48:20 +0530, Jaycee wrote:

> The same unfortunately can't be said about T-Bird specially as a
> newsreader.

I use TBird for IMAP and its great. As a newsreader, it sucks.

> Would you please give your opinions comparing the various mail clients as
> regards both mail handling as well as aNewsreader with offline capabilities.
> I would prefer a single client to do both jobs.

40tude Dialog

Jaycee wrote:

>Would you please give your opinions comparing the various mail clients as
>regards both mail handling as well as aNewsreader with offline capabilities.
>I would prefer a single client to do both jobs.
>Keeping in mind that I am a newbie,opinion from the experts would be
>welcome.

Ideally you should be looking at different clients for mail, usenet
text, and usenet binaries.
The best all in one compromise might be Dialog.

I would suggest you ask yourself what features you require in a mail
client, what features in a usenet text client, and what features in a
usenet binary client. And take it from there.

The all in one approach often leads to bloat and inefficiency.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:11:53 +0100, jo wrote:

> Jaycee wrote:
>
>>Would you please give your opinions comparing the various mail clients as
>>regards both mail handling as well as aNewsreader with offline capabilities.
>>I would prefer a single client to do both jobs.
>>Keeping in mind that I am a newbie,opinion from the experts would be
>>welcome.
>
> Ideally you should be looking at different clients for mail, usenet
> text, and usenet binaries.
> The best all in one compromise might be Dialog.
>
> I would suggest you ask yourself what features you require in a mail
> client, what features in a usenet text client, and what features in a
> usenet binary client. And take it from there.
>
> The all in one approach often leads to bloat and inefficiency.

However, the all in one approach does offer the feature of a common address
book, a single interface to deal with, etc.

I'm currently using Dialog for my newsgroup reading, and look forward
anxiously to the day when I can use it every day for e-mail. The lack of a
trash bin is a real problem for me. And the inability to import an
existing address book is a problem.

I like the all in one approach, even if the software is a bit bloated.


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Jeff Needle
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Jaycee wrote:
> I have been using IE-6 and OE-6 so long.Keeping in mind the problem of
> security have switched to Firefox and am extremely pleased by it.
> The same unfortunately can't be said about T-Bird specially as a
> newsreader.
> Would you please give your opinions comparing the various mail clients as
> regards both mail handling as well as aNewsreader with offline capabilities.
> I would prefer a single client to do both jobs.
> Keeping in mind that I am a newbie,opinion from the experts would be
> welcome.
> Thanks in advance,
> Jaycee
>
>
>
>
Firefox is a good browser, as an email client/newsreader, Thunderbird
almost works.

I've been using Thunderbird as my email client for several months now.
The last update to 0.8 was no step forward, two steps back.
In combining three email accounts into the Global Inbox
(one inbox for all accounts), my mail filters were disabled.
In going back to multiple inboxes, some of the filters work all of the time,
most of the filters work some of the time, but all of the filters don't
work all of the time.

Occasionally a message is dragged and dropped into oblivion.

As a newsreader it gets confused at random times,
the little dot cluster in the upper right rotating to no effect.
If I unsubscribe/resubscribe it behaves, for a while.

I like a combined email client/newsreader.
I like to download email and newsgroups I follow,
at the same time, in the same format.

I use XNews and, to a certain extent, XanaNews, to read groups I don't
follow.
To me, XNews is the best reader, but no offline capability.
If you like the OE format, try XanaNews for Usenet.

--
Dave S

Posting with freaking TBird,
If they keep trying, so will I ;-)

Dave S wrote:
> Jaycee wrote:
> > I have been using IE-6 and OE-6 so long.Keeping in mind the problem
of
> > security have switched to Firefox and am extremely pleased by it.
> > The same unfortunately can't be said about T-Bird specially as a
> > newsreader.
> > Would you please give your opinions comparing the various mail
clients as
> > regards both mail handling as well as aNewsreader with offline
capabilities.
> > I would prefer a single client to do both jobs.
> > Keeping in mind that I am a newbie,opinion from the experts would
be
> > welcome.
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Jaycee
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Firefox is a good browser, as an email client/newsreader, Thunderbird

> almost works.
>
/snip

Firefox is fantastic, but the new web-based email, news and rss
services have gotten so good that I find I no longer need an email and
newsreading client at all!

Jaycee wrote:
> I have been using IE-6 and OE-6 so long.Keeping in mind the problem of
> security have switched to Firefox and am extremely pleased by it.
> The same unfortunately can't be said about T-Bird specially as a
> newsreader.
> Would you please give your opinions comparing the various mail
> clients as regards both mail handling as well as aNewsreader with
> offline capabilities. I would prefer a single client to do both jobs.
> Keeping in mind that I am a newbie,opinion from the experts would be
> welcome.
> Thanks in advance,
> Jaycee

My experience has been that I am unable to find a suitable replacement
for Outlook Express. I have become used to its interface and ability to
set up the views and/or toolbars to my taste. I like the way it handles
messages and newsgroups much better than the other programs I
continuously try to replace it with. Viewing HTML is easy and security
concerns can be alleviated with a few option changes and common sense.
No doubt there are limitations to OE's newsgroup capabilities (yENC,
graphics), but it does not affect the text only forums I visit.

If you are satisfied with the functionality of OE then you can enhance
its performance with OE-Quotefix or use Fidolook as an alternative.

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:37:22 -0400, badgolferman wrote:

> My experience has been that I am unable to find a suitable replacement
> for Outlook Express. I have become used to its interface and ability to
> set up the views and/or toolbars to my taste. I like the way it handles
> messages and newsgroups much better than the other programs I
> continuously try to replace it with.

You're serious, aren't you?

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I that hIJaycee wrote:
> I have been using IE-6 and OE-6 so long.Keeping in mind the problem of
> security have switched to Firefox and am extremely pleased by it.
> The same unfortunately can't be said about T-Bird specially as a
> newsreader.
> Would you please give your opinions comparing the various mail clients as
> regards both mail handling as well as aNewsreader with offline capabilities.
> I would prefer a single client to do both jobs.
> Keeping in mind that I am a newbie,opinion from the experts would be
> welcome.
> Thanks in advance,
> Jaycee
>
>
I use Pegasus mail as my main email client. Xnews for News.

My main concern was how well Thunderbird handled multiple POP3 and SMTP
accounts since I have quite a few.

Prior to 0.8, TB forced you to use several different Accounts for each
POP3 definition, nothing wrong with this, until I realized, each account
would have it's own separate hierarchy of folders. This meant having
multiple inbox, junk, deleted ,sent etc folders -one for each account.

Talk about complicated.

I read that 0.8, now has this option of a global inbox and this tempted
me to try again. Now when you set up a account, you can choose to use
the global inbox, and you can do this multiple times for each account,
so everything goes into one folder set. Perfect!

Even though TB now as only one global inbox and one set of folders for
all accounts, it still is very accounts/ID oriented.

If "Work" and "Home" Identities/Accounts are placed in the global inbox,
TB still maintains separate filter sets for the mail downloaded by these
2 identities. That threw me off for a while.

You can also customize TB to show a column indicating which Identity
downloaded the mail.

Pro : You can easily tell the identity that downloaded each mail. That
is not possible in Pegasus mail. Sure , one identity polls all the rest,
but it's not easy to figure out which email identity downloaded each
mail. Looking at headers will help or using filter rules based on the
stmp header to color-code mail might be even better, but these are rough
workarounds.

Con: There is no global filter in Thunderbird that works across all
Identities! It's cool that you can have TB handle Spam (found by a
suitable filter rule) downloaded from the work folder different from the
Spam downloaded from the Home account, but what if you want to handle
all Spam in the same way? Quite time consuming to manually enter each
rule 6 times (say).

SMTP.

Another nice feature about Thunderbird is that when you reply to a email
, it will use the SMTP ID associated with the ID/Account that downloaded
it automatically.

Seems obvious, but Pegasus doesn't do it. Coupled with the fact that
it's often hard to figure out which account downloaded the mail,
figuring out which SMTP id to use to reply can be a struggle sometimes.

What if you don't want to use the SMTP settings configured? Here the
extensions "Virtual Identity" and "Show SMTP server" helps.

The interface for configuring SMTP needs to be improved though. By
default when setting up a identity, all identities use the default SMTP
server. You can't change it, until you finish the setup, go to
tools--->account settings, then scroll right to the bottom to the single
line that says "Outgoing server(SMTP)". It's tucked right at the bottom
below all the accounts, instead of being together with each Account
settings.

I'm quite happy with other aspects of Thunderbird

It's much cooler looking. The search bar at the top is very useful, in
fact it reminds me a bit of gmail. Being able to define "views" is all
very good

It lacks many of the more powerful features of Pegasus mail, for example
Tb's filter rules is much more limited, no regular expressions and
limited actions set, ability to associate filter sets when
opening/closing folders, filter set for read mail in the inbox etc.

Similarly, you can customise each Indentity a lot more in Pegasus mail
(eg to say "poll no more than once every x minutes" for example,
selective download of mail based on age of mail or size of mail, to use
server site filtering to name just a few). For basic users the ability
to check mail every once x minutes is more than sufficient however I
suspect.

The bayesian filter is not as good (in terms of missing lots of spam) as
what you can get from a standalone, so if you really need strong
antispam protection you probably will use a seperate spam solution.

There are a few other quirks I'm used to from Pmail that I hope to see
in TB, and I was hoping TB extension range would be as wide as Firefox,
but sadly there are probably no more than 50 extensions for TB. Most of
them, minor ones.

Things I hope to see sometime include

1) Ability to highlight folders which last received mail with a
different color. Making folders bold for unread mail is well and good,
but when you get a notification of a new mail, and your filters kick in
and move them to a folder, you wouldn't know where it went if you have
unread mail in several folders.

2) Being able to right click and select "Select all" or "invert
selection in the folder

3) Blocking of all remote objects not just images

No doubt, I will find more.

I'm going to try it for a while more, it's draws you in, with it's
beautiful UI, simple options, and it's handling of multiple accounts is
already better than pegasus mails! Migration of old mail is also not a
problem with Thunderbird, since you can easily convert pegasus mailboxes
to mbx format and just move it to the thunderbird folders.

Still, I just wish the community of developers of thunderbird extension
was more active......






























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