I noticed a strange problem with Minolta Scan Elite 5400 and VueScan
(8.0.7, Linux): the colors in the dark parts of a scanned slide have a
reddish cast in one end (top?) of the ccd, while the other end tends
toward green.

The effect is very subtle and would not be seen in most real scans, but
I did notice it in a photo with a lot of dark sky, which prompted me to
do some more testing... I put two test scans here temporarily:

<http://www.hut.fi/u/jkoivist/se5400/color.html>

Granted, the test is a bit artificial, as no-one would want to scan pure
black slides with colors boosted to the level of the first example, but
nevertheless, the problem is there and (like said) can sometimes be seen
in real photos as well.

The colors are not in the film - this is quite clear, but just to be
methodical about it, I flipped the film around and scanned it again,
with identical results.

The problem seems to affect only dark colours, and (as far as I could
tell with some quick testing) the Minolta software does not suffer from
it. It also seems that the colors may shift slightly more toward green
as the scanner warms up, but I'm not sure about this yet.

I have two theories about the cause: Either it's because of temperature-
dependent dark current in the ccd (after all, it's mounted vertically,
and heat rises up - but then why are red and green channels affected
differently?), or it could also be due to uneven lamp color which would
be properly compensated for in the "clear end" but the algorithm would
somehow overcompensate in the dark end.

The problem may be worse with negatives, as it would then affect bright
colors which are more visible. I don't have any photos with evenly
illuminated white background so I couldn't test it much (though I did
some scans of fully exposed film and the colors were there) - I'll try
to include some test shots on the next roll.

In any case the effect seems predictable enough that it should be easy
to fix. I'll be happy to do further testing if needed.

Could some other VueScan users also try scanning dark slide film? Do
you get similar results?

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Yes, I do have the similar problem. Not only the dark slides, but also
other color like pure white looks a little bit of pink ...



Juha Koivisto <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<(E-Mail Removed)>...
> I noticed a strange problem with Minolta Scan Elite 5400 and VueScan
> (8.0.7, Linux): the colors in the dark parts of a scanned slide have a
> reddish cast in one end (top?) of the ccd, while the other end tends
> toward green.
>
> The effect is very subtle and would not be seen in most real scans, but
> I did notice it in a photo with a lot of dark sky, which prompted me to
> do some more testing... I put two test scans here temporarily:
>
> <http://www.hut.fi/u/jkoivist/se5400/color.html>
>
> Granted, the test is a bit artificial, as no-one would want to scan pure
> black slides with colors boosted to the level of the first example, but
> nevertheless, the problem is there and (like said) can sometimes be seen
> in real photos as well.
>
> The colors are not in the film - this is quite clear, but just to be
> methodical about it, I flipped the film around and scanned it again,
> with identical results.
>
> The problem seems to affect only dark colours, and (as far as I could
> tell with some quick testing) the Minolta software does not suffer from
> it. It also seems that the colors may shift slightly more toward green
> as the scanner warms up, but I'm not sure about this yet.
>
> I have two theories about the cause: Either it's because of temperature-
> dependent dark current in the ccd (after all, it's mounted vertically,
> and heat rises up - but then why are red and green channels affected
> differently?), or it could also be due to uneven lamp color which would
> be properly compensated for in the "clear end" but the algorithm would
> somehow overcompensate in the dark end.
>
> The problem may be worse with negatives, as it would then affect bright
> colors which are more visible. I don't have any photos with evenly
> illuminated white background so I couldn't test it much (though I did
> some scans of fully exposed film and the colors were there) - I'll try
> to include some test shots on the next roll.
>
> In any case the effect seems predictable enough that it should be easy
> to fix. I'll be happy to do further testing if needed.
>
> Could some other VueScan users also try scanning dark slide film? Do
> you get similar results?

(E-Mail Removed) (xphoto) writes:

> Yes, I do have the similar problem. Not only the dark slides, but also
> other color like pure white looks a little bit of pink ...

I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing here... My problem is
not an overall color cast (which would be relatively easy to correct) but
that the colors are different in the right and left edge of the film.
Does your scanner also do this?

Could you (or someone else) try a simple test, scanning a piece of
exposed negative or unexposed slide film with Vuescan, and see if there
is a color shift across the width of the scan?

It seemed to me that the Minolta software did not have this problem,
though I'm not absolutely sure (I'm running linux so I can't test that
as easily).

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Juha Koivisto <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

> Could you (or someone else) try a simple test, scanning a piece of
> exposed negative or unexposed slide film with Vuescan, and see if there
> is a color shift across the width of the scan?

Anyone... please? Or is really no-one interested to see if their scanner
suffers from this problem?

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I have experienced the same problem scanning negatives on my Epson 2450
using Vuescan.


"Juha Koivisto" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I noticed a strange problem with Minolta Scan Elite 5400 and VueScan
> (8.0.7, Linux): the colors in the dark parts of a scanned slide have a
> reddish cast in one end (top?) of the ccd, while the other end tends
> toward green.
>
> The effect is very subtle and would not be seen in most real scans, but
> I did notice it in a photo with a lot of dark sky, which prompted me to
> do some more testing... I put two test scans here temporarily:
>
> <http://www.hut.fi/u/jkoivist/se5400/color.html>
>
> Granted, the test is a bit artificial, as no-one would want to scan pure
> black slides with colors boosted to the level of the first example, but
> nevertheless, the problem is there and (like said) can sometimes be seen
> in real photos as well.
>
> The colors are not in the film - this is quite clear, but just to be
> methodical about it, I flipped the film around and scanned it again,
> with identical results.
>
> The problem seems to affect only dark colours, and (as far as I could
> tell with some quick testing) the Minolta software does not suffer from
> it. It also seems that the colors may shift slightly more toward green
> as the scanner warms up, but I'm not sure about this yet.
>
> I have two theories about the cause: Either it's because of temperature-
> dependent dark current in the ccd (after all, it's mounted vertically,
> and heat rises up - but then why are red and green channels affected
> differently?), or it could also be due to uneven lamp color which would
> be properly compensated for in the "clear end" but the algorithm would
> somehow overcompensate in the dark end.
>
> The problem may be worse with negatives, as it would then affect bright
> colors which are more visible. I don't have any photos with evenly
> illuminated white background so I couldn't test it much (though I did
> some scans of fully exposed film and the colors were there) - I'll try
> to include some test shots on the next roll.
>
> In any case the effect seems predictable enough that it should be easy
> to fix. I'll be happy to do further testing if needed.
>
> Could some other VueScan users also try scanning dark slide film? Do
> you get similar results?
>
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Juha Koivisto <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

> I noticed a strange problem with Minolta Scan Elite 5400 and VueScan
> (8.0.7, Linux): the colors in the dark parts of a scanned slide have a
> reddish cast in one end (top?) of the ccd, while the other end tends
> toward green.

I did some more testing and discovered that if I initialize the scanner
with the Minolta software and then reconnect to the linux machine running
Vuescan, the problem is gone! Two more test scans at

> <http://www.hut.fi/u/jkoivist/se5400/color.html>

What's more, the effect seems to persist after briefly powering off the
scanner (but not powering off overnight or unplugging the power cord,
and apparently not powering off with the USB cable disconnected either).

Also, after running the Minolta software, scans in Vuescan are more alike
with grain dissolver off as with grain dissolver on, while before GD on
was darker and the color balance a bit different as well. I'm not sure
why this is or how important it is, but I'm starting to wonder if there's
something wrong with SE5400 initialization/calibration in Vuescan.

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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:29:45 +0300, Juha Koivisto

>why this is or how important it is, but I'm starting to wonder if there's
>something wrong with SE5400 initialization/calibration in Vuescan.

I agree. I have similar problems, with odd, uneven casts that are very
difficult to correct even with a custom profile (because of the
unevenness). I too think that there's some kind of calibration issue
with the 5400 and Vuescan, for Minolta Scan does not shows those
problems (but I don't like it: too little control over some
parameters, and I hate GD while loving ICE).

Fernando