With Windows XP color management set to "Automatic" and using Windows XP
Photoprinting Wizard, I get prints with brownish/palish flesh tones. If I
set Windows XP color management to "Manual" (say sRGB), I get good colors.
Any idea why?

Thanks
--
Fred J.

--
Fred J.


"Fred J." wrote:

> With Windows XP color management set to "Automatic" and using Windows XP
> Photoprinting Wizard, I get prints with brownish/palish flesh tones. If I
> set Windows XP color management to "Manual" (say sRGB), I get good colors.
> Any idea why?
>
> Thanks
> --
> Fred J.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Further to my post:

When I state "Windows XP color management set to "Automatic" ", I mean: "
Start-Printer&Faxes-HP Officejet-Properties- Color Management - Automatic".
All the necessary color profiles associated with my HP printer (such as sRGB,
Adobe RGB1998, etc) are correctly listed in the Color Management screen.

My printer is a HP Officejet G55 xi. The printer driver comes from Windows
XP.

This printer can only use sRGB.

What is the "Default color profile listed under Manual" and does it match
the highlighted one listed for "Automatic"? Maybe this is where the problem
is.



"Fred J." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news09263B8-7557-4543-A633-(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> --
> Fred J.
>
>
> "Fred J." wrote:
>
>> With Windows XP color management set to "Automatic" and using Windows XP
>> Photoprinting Wizard, I get prints with brownish/palish flesh tones. If
>> I
>> set Windows XP color management to "Manual" (say sRGB), I get good
>> colors.
>> Any idea why?
>>
>> Thanks
>> --
>> Fred J.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Further to my post:
>
> When I state "Windows XP color management set to "Automatic" ", I mean: "
> Start-Printer&Faxes-HP Officejet-Properties- Color Management -
> Automatic".
> All the necessary color profiles associated with my HP printer (such as
> sRGB,
> Adobe RGB1998, etc) are correctly listed in the Color Management screen.
>
> My printer is a HP Officejet G55 xi. The printer driver comes from
> Windows
> XP.
>
>
>

What is the source of the prints.
Have you considered that the printer settings may be involved.

sRGB is the usual "default" color space, and is supposedly the common
standard between the display, printer, scanner, etc.
It may or may not be the color space used by a digital camera. (Usually is,
but--)
Have you "calibrated" the display.
Printer driver settings may be involved-- Selected paper type, Quality,
Color compensation settings, etc.

Note also that it is possible to "double correct" without realizing it.
System level settings, Display driver settings, Printer driver settings,
application settings can interact or not.
In some cases, the interaction may be erratic in terms of the display
suddenly visually changing color compensation.

A references "standard" picture is usually the best way to get a handle on
what is where.
One of many sources of such an image is:
http://creative.gettyimages.com/sour...Resources.aspx

Note: Due to images are displayed in applications such as Internet Explorer,
the image will seem darker than it really is.
You will need to use the floating expand icon to see the true image. Pay
particular attention to the grey scale in the upper right hand corner.
When the display and video card are set properly, you should see each of the
grey scale steps. Occasionally, you may find that he brightest and darkest
steps blend together or appear to be the same shade. This often occurs with
inexpensive monitors and LCD displays.

The idea is to first adjust so that the displayed grey scale is optimized,
and is --well --grey.
Next, what does a printed copy of the picture look like. Do NOT use the
downloaded copy of the picture for anything or in an application that might
change it. Instead, use a duplicate copy. Change the printer settings to
change the print, not the reference picture file.


"Fred J." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:E2EDA6AC-2BFC-4247-B720-(E-Mail Removed)...
> With Windows XP color management set to "Automatic" and using Windows XP
> Photoprinting Wizard, I get prints with brownish/palish flesh tones. If I
> set Windows XP color management to "Manual" (say sRGB), I get good colors.
> Any idea why?
>
> Thanks
> --
> Fred J.

--
Fred J.


"Yves Alarie" wrote:

> This printer can only use sRGB.
>
> What is the "Default color profile listed under Manual" and does it match
> the highlighted one listed for "Automatic"? Maybe this is where the problem
> is.
>
>
>
> "Fred J." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news09263B8-7557-4543-A633-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> > --
> > Fred J.
> >
> >
> > "Fred J." wrote:
> >
> >> With Windows XP color management set to "Automatic" and using Windows XP
> >> Photoprinting Wizard, I get prints with brownish/palish flesh tones. If
> >> I
> >> set Windows XP color management to "Manual" (say sRGB), I get good
> >> colors.
> >> Any idea why?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> --
> >> Fred J.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Further to my post:
> >
> > When I state "Windows XP color management set to "Automatic" ", I mean: "
> > Start-Printer&Faxes-HP Officejet-Properties- Color Management -
> > Automatic".
> > All the necessary color profiles associated with my HP printer (such as
> > sRGB,
> > Adobe RGB1998, etc) are correctly listed in the Color Management screen.
> >
> > My printer is a HP Officejet G55 xi. The printer driver comes from
> > Windows
> > XP.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

"This printer can only use sRGB."

Not really. This printer also works with Adobe 1998, and ColormatchRGB
profiles. I found this out by trial and error. It works with those either
from Windows XP Photoprinting Wizard or from Photoshop 6.0. But Windows XP
color management must be set to "Manual" and the appropriate color profile.

HP does not limit the printer to the sRGB profile, see:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...=61740&lang=en

“What is the "Default color profile listed under Manual" and does it match
the highlighted one listed for "Automatic"? Maybe this is where the problem
is. “

There is no color profile listed on “Automatic”. On “Automatic”, Windows
automatically selects the best color profile from the list of associated
color profiles. My list includes a dozen profiles such as sRGB, Adobe1998,
ColormatchRGB, etc.

--
Fred J.


"Yves Alarie" wrote:

> This printer can only use sRGB.
>
> What is the "Default color profile listed under Manual" and does it match
> the highlighted one listed for "Automatic"? Maybe this is where the problem
> is.
>
>
>
> "Fred J." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news09263B8-7557-4543-A633-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> > --
> > Fred J.
> >
> >
> > "Fred J." wrote:
> >
> >> With Windows XP color management set to "Automatic" and using Windows XP
> >> Photoprinting Wizard, I get prints with brownish/palish flesh tones. If
> >> I
> >> set Windows XP color management to "Manual" (say sRGB), I get good
> >> colors.
> >> Any idea why?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> --
> >> Fred J.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Further to my post:
> >
> > When I state "Windows XP color management set to "Automatic" ", I mean: "
> > Start-Printer&Faxes-HP Officejet-Properties- Color Management -
> > Automatic".
> > All the necessary color profiles associated with my HP printer (such as
> > sRGB,
> > Adobe RGB1998, etc) are correctly listed in the Color Management screen.
> >
> > My printer is a HP Officejet G55 xi. The printer driver comes from
> > Windows
> > XP.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

The sources of the prints are either photos from a Sony DSC-F828 camera
(sRGB) or Gettyimages from
http://creative.gettyimages.com/sour...Resources.aspx . I get
the same results with both.

I have calibrated the display using the Windows Adobe built-in procedure.
The gray scale looks OK, except for the last 4 black squares. The first 29
squares look very good, becoming progressively darker. I don’t think I can
calibrate any better.

I did not change the Gettyimages picture with any application.

Thanks for your answer.

--
Fred J.


"Chuck" wrote:

> What is the source of the prints.
> Have you considered that the printer settings may be involved.
>
> sRGB is the usual "default" color space, and is supposedly the common
> standard between the display, printer, scanner, etc.
> It may or may not be the color space used by a digital camera. (Usually is,
> but--)
> Have you "calibrated" the display.
> Printer driver settings may be involved-- Selected paper type, Quality,
> Color compensation settings, etc.
>
> Note also that it is possible to "double correct" without realizing it.
> System level settings, Display driver settings, Printer driver settings,
> application settings can interact or not.
> In some cases, the interaction may be erratic in terms of the display
> suddenly visually changing color compensation.
>
> A references "standard" picture is usually the best way to get a handle on
> what is where.
> One of many sources of such an image is:
> http://creative.gettyimages.com/sour...Resources.aspx
>
> Note: Due to images are displayed in applications such as Internet Explorer,
> the image will seem darker than it really is.
> You will need to use the floating expand icon to see the true image. Pay
> particular attention to the grey scale in the upper right hand corner.
> When the display and video card are set properly, you should see each of the
> grey scale steps. Occasionally, you may find that he brightest and darkest
> steps blend together or appear to be the same shade. This often occurs with
> inexpensive monitors and LCD displays.
>
> The idea is to first adjust so that the displayed grey scale is optimized,
> and is --well --grey.
> Next, what does a printed copy of the picture look like. Do NOT use the
> downloaded copy of the picture for anything or in an application that might
> change it. Instead, use a duplicate copy. Change the printer settings to
> change the print, not the reference picture file.
>
>
> "Fred J." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:E2EDA6AC-2BFC-4247-B720-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > With Windows XP color management set to "Automatic" and using Windows XP
> > Photoprinting Wizard, I get prints with brownish/palish flesh tones. If I
> > set Windows XP color management to "Manual" (say sRGB), I get good colors.
> > Any idea why?
> >
> > Thanks
> > --
> > Fred J.
>
>
>

I did look at the hp site you cited. Nothing there about color profile.
Nothing. Can you tell me where on this site there is a mention of color
profile when printing?
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...=61740&lang=en

Sure your list includes a dozen profiles. This means nothing. This list is
not provided by HP for your printer.

"Fred J." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:56AB9260-FCAB-43CB-8C65-(E-Mail Removed)...
> "This printer can only use sRGB."
>
> Not really. This printer also works with Adobe 1998, and ColormatchRGB
> profiles. I found this out by trial and error. It works with those
> either
> from Windows XP Photoprinting Wizard or from Photoshop 6.0. But Windows
> XP
> color management must be set to "Manual" and the appropriate color
> profile.
>
> HP does not limit the printer to the sRGB profile, see:
> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...=61740&lang=en
>
> "What is the "Default color profile listed under Manual" and does it match
> the highlighted one listed for "Automatic"? Maybe this is where the
> problem
> is. "
>
> There is no color profile listed on "Automatic". On "Automatic", Windows
> automatically selects the best color profile from the list of associated
> color profiles. My list includes a dozen profiles such as sRGB,
> Adobe1998,
> ColormatchRGB, etc.
>
> --
> Fred J.
>
>
> "Yves Alarie" wrote:
>
>> This printer can only use sRGB.
>>
>> What is the "Default color profile listed under Manual" and does it match
>> the highlighted one listed for "Automatic"? Maybe this is where the
>> problem
>> is.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Fred J." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news09263B8-7557-4543-A633-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Fred J.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Fred J." wrote:
>> >
>> >> With Windows XP color management set to "Automatic" and using Windows
>> >> XP
>> >> Photoprinting Wizard, I get prints with brownish/palish flesh tones.
>> >> If
>> >> I
>> >> set Windows XP color management to "Manual" (say sRGB), I get good
>> >> colors.
>> >> Any idea why?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> --
>> >> Fred J.
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Further to my post:
>> >
>> > When I state "Windows XP color management set to "Automatic" ", I
>> > mean: "
>> > Start-Printer&Faxes-HP Officejet-Properties- Color Management -
>> > Automatic".
>> > All the necessary color profiles associated with my HP printer (such as
>> > sRGB,
>> > Adobe RGB1998, etc) are correctly listed in the Color Management
>> > screen.
>> >
>> > My printer is a HP Officejet G55 xi. The printer driver comes from
>> > Windows
>> > XP.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

This is the only HP site I could find adressing Windows XP AND the Officejet
G55xi. I would think that if the printer was restricted to sRGB, HP would
state it - and they don't. Where did you find out that this printer is
restricted to sRGB?

If the list means nothing, why does it print OK in "Manual" with the
Adobe1998 profile selected?
--
Fred J.


"Yves Alarie" wrote:

> I did look at the hp site you cited. Nothing there about color profile.
> Nothing. Can you tell me where on this site there is a mention of color
> profile when printing?
> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...=61740&lang=en
>
> Sure your list includes a dozen profiles. This means nothing. This list is
> not provided by HP for your printer.
>
> "Fred J." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:56AB9260-FCAB-43CB-8C65-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > "This printer can only use sRGB."
> >
> > Not really. This printer also works with Adobe 1998, and ColormatchRGB
> > profiles. I found this out by trial and error. It works with those
> > either
> > from Windows XP Photoprinting Wizard or from Photoshop 6.0. But Windows
> > XP
> > color management must be set to "Manual" and the appropriate color
> > profile.
> >
> > HP does not limit the printer to the sRGB profile, see:
> > http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...=61740&lang=en
> >
> > "What is the "Default color profile listed under Manual" and does it match
> > the highlighted one listed for "Automatic"? Maybe this is where the
> > problem
> > is. "
> >
> > There is no color profile listed on "Automatic". On "Automatic", Windows
> > automatically selects the best color profile from the list of associated
> > color profiles. My list includes a dozen profiles such as sRGB,
> > Adobe1998,
> > ColormatchRGB, etc.
> >
> > --
> > Fred J.
> >
> >
> > "Yves Alarie" wrote:
> >
> >> This printer can only use sRGB.
> >>
> >> What is the "Default color profile listed under Manual" and does it match
> >> the highlighted one listed for "Automatic"? Maybe this is where the
> >> problem
> >> is.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Fred J." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news09263B8-7557-4543-A633-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Fred J.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Fred J." wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> With Windows XP color management set to "Automatic" and using Windows
> >> >> XP
> >> >> Photoprinting Wizard, I get prints with brownish/palish flesh tones.
> >> >> If
> >> >> I
> >> >> set Windows XP color management to "Manual" (say sRGB), I get good
> >> >> colors.
> >> >> Any idea why?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> --
> >> >> Fred J.
> >> >
> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > Further to my post:
> >> >
> >> > When I state "Windows XP color management set to "Automatic" ", I
> >> > mean: "
> >> > Start-Printer&Faxes-HP Officejet-Properties- Color Management -
> >> > Automatic".
> >> > All the necessary color profiles associated with my HP printer (such as
> >> > sRGB,
> >> > Adobe RGB1998, etc) are correctly listed in the Color Management
> >> > screen.
> >> >
> >> > My printer is a HP Officejet G55 xi. The printer driver comes from
> >> > Windows
> >> > XP.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Some have reported less than optimum results with "Windows Adobe built-in
procedure"

Forgetting that for the moment-- Is Adobe setting an active color profile?
If so, this might be part of what causes your rsults.

"Fred J." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:A6B6D4B7-848D-4D26-B261-(E-Mail Removed)...
> The sources of the prints are either photos from a Sony DSC-F828 camera
> (sRGB) or Gettyimages from
> http://creative.gettyimages.com/sour...Resources.aspx . I
get
> the same results with both.
>
> I have calibrated the display using the Windows Adobe built-in procedure.
> The gray scale looks OK, except for the last 4 black squares. The first
29
> squares look very good, becoming progressively darker. I don't think I
can
> calibrate any better.
>
> I did not change the Gettyimages picture with any application.
>
> Thanks for your answer.
>
> --
> Fred J.
>
>
> "Chuck" wrote:
>
> > What is the source of the prints.
> > Have you considered that the printer settings may be involved.
> >
> > sRGB is the usual "default" color space, and is supposedly the common
> > standard between the display, printer, scanner, etc.
> > It may or may not be the color space used by a digital camera. (Usually
is,
> > but--)
> > Have you "calibrated" the display.
> > Printer driver settings may be involved-- Selected paper type, Quality,
> > Color compensation settings, etc.
> >
> > Note also that it is possible to "double correct" without realizing it.
> > System level settings, Display driver settings, Printer driver settings,
> > application settings can interact or not.
> > In some cases, the interaction may be erratic in terms of the display
> > suddenly visually changing color compensation.
> >
> > A references "standard" picture is usually the best way to get a handle
on
> > what is where.
> > One of many sources of such an image is:
> > http://creative.gettyimages.com/sour...Resources.aspx
> >
> > Note: Due to images are displayed in applications such as Internet
Explorer,
> > the image will seem darker than it really is.
> > You will need to use the floating expand icon to see the true image. Pay
> > particular attention to the grey scale in the upper right hand corner.
> > When the display and video card are set properly, you should see each of
the
> > grey scale steps. Occasionally, you may find that he brightest and
darkest
> > steps blend together or appear to be the same shade. This often occurs
with
> > inexpensive monitors and LCD displays.
> >
> > The idea is to first adjust so that the displayed grey scale is
optimized,
> > and is --well --grey.
> > Next, what does a printed copy of the picture look like. Do NOT use the
> > downloaded copy of the picture for anything or in an application that
might
> > change it. Instead, use a duplicate copy. Change the printer settings to
> > change the print, not the reference picture file.
> >
> >
> > "Fred J." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:E2EDA6AC-2BFC-4247-B720-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > With Windows XP color management set to "Automatic" and using Windows
XP
> > > Photoprinting Wizard, I get prints with brownish/palish flesh tones.
If I
> > > set Windows XP color management to "Manual" (say sRGB), I get good
colors.
> > > Any idea why?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > --
> > > Fred J.
> >
> >
> >