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Michael Roberts
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      16th Oct 2003

Hello group. I posted this message in the alt search engines group but the
replies I received tried to be helpful but were far too technical and did
not explain the consequences of putting incorrect code validation
information at the beginning of a page. So I hope I can get a clearer answer
here!
I've managed for ages with no text at the beginning of the html
page saying something like doc type public etc. I hear that some engines /
crawlers like to read this so that the code can be validated. I use
MSfrontpage (version 4.02 right now, but earlier pages were made with an
earlier version of FP) - what exactly should I write at the start of the
code and where
can I find from the frontpage programme what the form of code actually is
(it doe not show it when looking at the html tab) ?
Thanks in advance. Mike Roberts

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Kathleen Anderson [MVP- FP]
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      16th Oct 2003
Mike:
Take a look at the resources at the bottom of this page:
http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/tutori...pesolution.asp then you can
follow the tutorial to add them to your new pages.

If you upgrade to FP2002; there's a free add-in that will add the DOCTYPE to
all your existing pages:
http://www.solution-shelf.com/FrontP...Omi/EO_FAQ.htm

If you upgrade to FP2003, there's a new feature called Code Snippets that
will help.

--
~ Kathleen Anderson
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
Spider Web Woman Designs
http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/

Michael Roberts <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Hello group. I posted this message in the alt search engines group
> but the replies I received tried to be helpful but were far too
> technical and did not explain the consequences of putting incorrect
> code validation information at the beginning of a page. So I hope I
> can get a clearer answer here!
> I've managed for ages with no text at the beginning of the html
> page saying something like doc type public etc. I hear that some
> engines / crawlers like to read this so that the code can be
> validated. I use MSfrontpage (version 4.02 right now, but earlier
> pages were made with an earlier version of FP) - what exactly should
> I write at the start of the code and where
> can I find from the frontpage programme what the form of code
> actually is (it doe not show it when looking at the html tab) ?
> Thanks in advance. Mike Roberts



 
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Michael Roberts
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      16th Oct 2003
Thanks for your help Kathleen. So, if I upgrade to FP2002 it will sort these
things automatically or do I have to insert the doctype manually to all the
pages?
regards Michael Roberts

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"Kathleen Anderson [MVP- FP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%23$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Mike:
> Take a look at the resources at the bottom of this page:
> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/tutori...pesolution.asp then you can
> follow the tutorial to add them to your new pages.
>
> If you upgrade to FP2002; there's a free add-in that will add the DOCTYPE

to
> all your existing pages:
> http://www.solution-shelf.com/FrontP...Omi/EO_FAQ.htm
>
> If you upgrade to FP2003, there's a new feature called Code Snippets that
> will help.
>
> --
> ~ Kathleen Anderson
> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> Spider Web Woman Designs
> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
>
> Michael Roberts <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > Hello group. I posted this message in the alt search engines group
> > but the replies I received tried to be helpful but were far too
> > technical and did not explain the consequences of putting incorrect
> > code validation information at the beginning of a page. So I hope I
> > can get a clearer answer here!
> > I've managed for ages with no text at the beginning of the html
> > page saying something like doc type public etc. I hear that some
> > engines / crawlers like to read this so that the code can be
> > validated. I use MSfrontpage (version 4.02 right now, but earlier
> > pages were made with an earlier version of FP) - what exactly should
> > I write at the start of the code and where
> > can I find from the frontpage programme what the form of code
> > actually is (it doe not show it when looking at the html tab) ?
> > Thanks in advance. Mike Roberts

>
>



 
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Kathleen Anderson [MVP- FP]
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      17th Oct 2003
Mike:
You can use the steps in my tutorial to automatically have a DOCTYPE in any
new pages that you create. The tutorial works in FP2000, FP2002 and FP2003.

If you upgrade to FP2002, you can use the feature in the add-in to add a
DOCTYPE to the existing pages in your web. If you stick with FP2000, you can
use the feature in the add-in that tells you which pages are missing a
DOCTYPE and then add them manually yourself.




--
~ Kathleen Anderson
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
Spider Web Woman Designs
http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/




Michael Roberts <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Thanks for your help Kathleen. So, if I upgrade to FP2002 it will
> sort these things automatically or do I have to insert the doctype
> manually to all the pages?
> regards Michael Roberts
>
>> Mike:
>> Take a look at the resources at the bottom of this page:
>> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/tutori...pesolution.asp then
>> you can follow the tutorial to add them to your new pages.
>>
>> If you upgrade to FP2002; there's a free add-in that will add the
>> DOCTYPE to all your existing pages:
>> http://www.solution-shelf.com/FrontP...Omi/EO_FAQ.htm
>>
>> If you upgrade to FP2003, there's a new feature called Code Snippets
>> that will help.
>>
>> --
>> ~ Kathleen Anderson
>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
>> Spider Web Woman Designs
>> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
>>
>> Michael Roberts <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>> Hello group. I posted this message in the alt search engines group
>>> but the replies I received tried to be helpful but were far too
>>> technical and did not explain the consequences of putting incorrect
>>> code validation information at the beginning of a page. So I hope I
>>> can get a clearer answer here!
>>> I've managed for ages with no text at the beginning of the html
>>> page saying something like doc type public etc. I hear that some
>>> engines / crawlers like to read this so that the code can be
>>> validated. I use MSfrontpage (version 4.02 right now, but earlier
>>> pages were made with an earlier version of FP) - what exactly
>>> should I write at the start of the code and where
>>> can I find from the frontpage programme what the form of code
>>> actually is (it doe not show it when looking at the html tab) ?
>>> Thanks in advance. Mike Roberts



 
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Michael Roberts
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      17th Oct 2003
I have to stick to FP2000 because upgrading appears not to be possible with
windowsMe.
trouble is I still cannot find out exactly what doc type I should enter
manually. Err Omi says "it cannot insert DOCTYPE when using FP2000 ". I've
looked at your tutorial ....OK, so I'm thick. But I still cannot work out
exactly HOW to establish the correct doc type. Can you please help?
*************************************************
take the dog out to reply direct to me
*************************************************


"Kathleen Anderson [MVP- FP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Mike:
> You can use the steps in my tutorial to automatically have a DOCTYPE in

any
> new pages that you create. The tutorial works in FP2000, FP2002 and

FP2003.
>
> If you upgrade to FP2002, you can use the feature in the add-in to add a
> DOCTYPE to the existing pages in your web. If you stick with FP2000, you

can
> use the feature in the add-in that tells you which pages are missing a
> DOCTYPE and then add them manually yourself.
>
>
>
>
> --
> ~ Kathleen Anderson
> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> Spider Web Woman Designs
> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
>
>
>
>
> Michael Roberts <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > Thanks for your help Kathleen. So, if I upgrade to FP2002 it will
> > sort these things automatically or do I have to insert the doctype
> > manually to all the pages?
> > regards Michael Roberts
> >
> >> Mike:
> >> Take a look at the resources at the bottom of this page:
> >> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/tutori...pesolution.asp then
> >> you can follow the tutorial to add them to your new pages.
> >>
> >> If you upgrade to FP2002; there's a free add-in that will add the
> >> DOCTYPE to all your existing pages:
> >> http://www.solution-shelf.com/FrontP...Omi/EO_FAQ.htm
> >>
> >> If you upgrade to FP2003, there's a new feature called Code Snippets
> >> that will help.
> >>
> >> --
> >> ~ Kathleen Anderson
> >> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> >> Spider Web Woman Designs
> >> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
> >>
> >> Michael Roberts <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >>> Hello group. I posted this message in the alt search engines group
> >>> but the replies I received tried to be helpful but were far too
> >>> technical and did not explain the consequences of putting incorrect
> >>> code validation information at the beginning of a page. So I hope I
> >>> can get a clearer answer here!
> >>> I've managed for ages with no text at the beginning of the html
> >>> page saying something like doc type public etc. I hear that some
> >>> engines / crawlers like to read this so that the code can be
> >>> validated. I use MSfrontpage (version 4.02 right now, but earlier
> >>> pages were made with an earlier version of FP) - what exactly
> >>> should I write at the start of the code and where
> >>> can I find from the frontpage programme what the form of code
> >>> actually is (it doe not show it when looking at the html tab) ?
> >>> Thanks in advance. Mike Roberts

>
>



 
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Kathleen Anderson [MVP- FP]
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      17th Oct 2003
Mike:
Unless you are using frames, you want to use this DOCTYPE:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

If you are using frames, you want to use this DOCTYPE:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Frameset//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/frameset.dtd">

Do a View | Source in your browser on this page:
http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/ to see exactly where to put it.

P.S. I don't know of any reason why you can't upgrade to FP2002 on Windows
Me.

--
~ Kathleen Anderson
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
Spider Web Woman Designs
http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/




Michael Roberts <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> I have to stick to FP2000 because upgrading appears not to be
> possible with windowsMe.
> trouble is I still cannot find out exactly what doc type I should
> enter manually. Err Omi says "it cannot insert DOCTYPE when using
> FP2000 ". I've looked at your tutorial ....OK, so I'm thick. But I
> still cannot work out exactly HOW to establish the correct doc type.
> Can you please help? *************************************************
> take the dog out to reply direct to me
> *************************************************
>
>
> "Kathleen Anderson [MVP- FP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Mike:
>> You can use the steps in my tutorial to automatically have a DOCTYPE
>> in any new pages that you create. The tutorial works in FP2000,
>> FP2002 and FP2003.
>>
>> If you upgrade to FP2002, you can use the feature in the add-in to
>> add a DOCTYPE to the existing pages in your web. If you stick with
>> FP2000, you can use the feature in the add-in that tells you which
>> pages are missing a DOCTYPE and then add them manually yourself.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~ Kathleen Anderson
>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
>> Spider Web Woman Designs
>> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Roberts <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>> Thanks for your help Kathleen. So, if I upgrade to FP2002 it will
>>> sort these things automatically or do I have to insert the doctype
>>> manually to all the pages?
>>> regards Michael Roberts
>>>
>>>> Mike:
>>>> Take a look at the resources at the bottom of this page:
>>>> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/tutori...pesolution.asp then
>>>> you can follow the tutorial to add them to your new pages.
>>>>
>>>> If you upgrade to FP2002; there's a free add-in that will add the
>>>> DOCTYPE to all your existing pages:
>>>> http://www.solution-shelf.com/FrontP...Omi/EO_FAQ.htm
>>>>
>>>> If you upgrade to FP2003, there's a new feature called Code
>>>> Snippets that will help.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ~ Kathleen Anderson
>>>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
>>>> Spider Web Woman Designs
>>>> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
>>>>
>>>> Michael Roberts <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>> Hello group. I posted this message in the alt search engines group
>>>>> but the replies I received tried to be helpful but were far too
>>>>> technical and did not explain the consequences of putting
>>>>> incorrect code validation information at the beginning of a page.
>>>>> So I hope I can get a clearer answer here!
>>>>> I've managed for ages with no text at the beginning of the html
>>>>> page saying something like doc type public etc. I hear that some
>>>>> engines / crawlers like to read this so that the code can be
>>>>> validated. I use MSfrontpage (version 4.02 right now, but earlier
>>>>> pages were made with an earlier version of FP) - what exactly
>>>>> should I write at the start of the code and where
>>>>> can I find from the frontpage programme what the form of code
>>>>> actually is (it doe not show it when looking at the html tab) ?
>>>>> Thanks in advance. Mike Roberts



 
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Thomas A. Rowe
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      17th Oct 2003
Mike,

You have to decide which DOCTYPE to add to your page, (and you can add them
manually in HTML View), once you have studied the DOCTYPEs and then you
decided which to use. After that you must make sure that you HTML matches
the requirements of the chosen DOCTYPE as the browser will try to render
your page based on the specified DOCTYPE.

DOCTYPE Overview:
http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/doctype.html

BTW, DOCTYPEs are only used by browsers and HTML validation
sites/application, in general there is no reason search engines, etc. would
have a need to index this info, since they are only providing a link to the
sites indexed.

You should be able to install FP2002 on Windows ME.

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"Michael Roberts" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:_qQjb.11593$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I have to stick to FP2000 because upgrading appears not to be possible

with
> windowsMe.
> trouble is I still cannot find out exactly what doc type I should enter
> manually. Err Omi says "it cannot insert DOCTYPE when using FP2000 ". I've
> looked at your tutorial ....OK, so I'm thick. But I still cannot work out
> exactly HOW to establish the correct doc type. Can you please help?
> *************************************************
> take the dog out to reply direct to me
> *************************************************
>
>
> "Kathleen Anderson [MVP- FP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Mike:
> > You can use the steps in my tutorial to automatically have a DOCTYPE in

> any
> > new pages that you create. The tutorial works in FP2000, FP2002 and

> FP2003.
> >
> > If you upgrade to FP2002, you can use the feature in the add-in to add a
> > DOCTYPE to the existing pages in your web. If you stick with FP2000, you

> can
> > use the feature in the add-in that tells you which pages are missing a
> > DOCTYPE and then add them manually yourself.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ~ Kathleen Anderson
> > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> > Spider Web Woman Designs
> > http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael Roberts <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > > Thanks for your help Kathleen. So, if I upgrade to FP2002 it will
> > > sort these things automatically or do I have to insert the doctype
> > > manually to all the pages?
> > > regards Michael Roberts
> > >
> > >> Mike:
> > >> Take a look at the resources at the bottom of this page:
> > >> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/tutori...pesolution.asp then
> > >> you can follow the tutorial to add them to your new pages.
> > >>
> > >> If you upgrade to FP2002; there's a free add-in that will add the
> > >> DOCTYPE to all your existing pages:
> > >> http://www.solution-shelf.com/FrontP...Omi/EO_FAQ.htm
> > >>
> > >> If you upgrade to FP2003, there's a new feature called Code Snippets
> > >> that will help.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> ~ Kathleen Anderson
> > >> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> > >> Spider Web Woman Designs
> > >> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
> > >>
> > >> Michael Roberts <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > >>> Hello group. I posted this message in the alt search engines group
> > >>> but the replies I received tried to be helpful but were far too
> > >>> technical and did not explain the consequences of putting incorrect
> > >>> code validation information at the beginning of a page. So I hope I
> > >>> can get a clearer answer here!
> > >>> I've managed for ages with no text at the beginning of the html
> > >>> page saying something like doc type public etc. I hear that some
> > >>> engines / crawlers like to read this so that the code can be
> > >>> validated. I use MSfrontpage (version 4.02 right now, but earlier
> > >>> pages were made with an earlier version of FP) - what exactly
> > >>> should I write at the start of the code and where
> > >>> can I find from the frontpage programme what the form of code
> > >>> actually is (it doe not show it when looking at the html tab) ?
> > >>> Thanks in advance. Mike Roberts

> >
> >

>
>



 
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Andrew Murray
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      18th Oct 2003
Yes, FP2002 does work with ME - I use it myself. FP2003 OTOH works only in XP
pro and home.


"Kathleen Anderson [MVP- FP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Mike:
> Unless you are using frames, you want to use this DOCTYPE:
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
>
> If you are using frames, you want to use this DOCTYPE:
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Frameset//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/frameset.dtd">
>
> Do a View | Source in your browser on this page:
> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/ to see exactly where to put it.
>
> P.S. I don't know of any reason why you can't upgrade to FP2002 on Windows
> Me.
>
> --
> ~ Kathleen Anderson
> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> Spider Web Woman Designs
> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
>
>
>
>
> Michael Roberts <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > I have to stick to FP2000 because upgrading appears not to be
> > possible with windowsMe.
> > trouble is I still cannot find out exactly what doc type I should
> > enter manually. Err Omi says "it cannot insert DOCTYPE when using
> > FP2000 ". I've looked at your tutorial ....OK, so I'm thick. But I
> > still cannot work out exactly HOW to establish the correct doc type.
> > Can you please help? *************************************************
> > take the dog out to reply direct to me
> > *************************************************
> >
> >
> > "Kathleen Anderson [MVP- FP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> > message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> Mike:
> >> You can use the steps in my tutorial to automatically have a DOCTYPE
> >> in any new pages that you create. The tutorial works in FP2000,
> >> FP2002 and FP2003.
> >>
> >> If you upgrade to FP2002, you can use the feature in the add-in to
> >> add a DOCTYPE to the existing pages in your web. If you stick with
> >> FP2000, you can use the feature in the add-in that tells you which
> >> pages are missing a DOCTYPE and then add them manually yourself.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> ~ Kathleen Anderson
> >> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> >> Spider Web Woman Designs
> >> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael Roberts <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >>> Thanks for your help Kathleen. So, if I upgrade to FP2002 it will
> >>> sort these things automatically or do I have to insert the doctype
> >>> manually to all the pages?
> >>> regards Michael Roberts
> >>>
> >>>> Mike:
> >>>> Take a look at the resources at the bottom of this page:
> >>>> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/tutori...pesolution.asp then
> >>>> you can follow the tutorial to add them to your new pages.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you upgrade to FP2002; there's a free add-in that will add the
> >>>> DOCTYPE to all your existing pages:
> >>>> http://www.solution-shelf.com/FrontP...Omi/EO_FAQ.htm
> >>>>
> >>>> If you upgrade to FP2003, there's a new feature called Code
> >>>> Snippets that will help.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> ~ Kathleen Anderson
> >>>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> >>>> Spider Web Woman Designs
> >>>> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael Roberts <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >>>>> Hello group. I posted this message in the alt search engines group
> >>>>> but the replies I received tried to be helpful but were far too
> >>>>> technical and did not explain the consequences of putting
> >>>>> incorrect code validation information at the beginning of a page.
> >>>>> So I hope I can get a clearer answer here!
> >>>>> I've managed for ages with no text at the beginning of the html
> >>>>> page saying something like doc type public etc. I hear that some
> >>>>> engines / crawlers like to read this so that the code can be
> >>>>> validated. I use MSfrontpage (version 4.02 right now, but earlier
> >>>>> pages were made with an earlier version of FP) - what exactly
> >>>>> should I write at the start of the code and where
> >>>>> can I find from the frontpage programme what the form of code
> >>>>> actually is (it doe not show it when looking at the html tab) ?
> >>>>> Thanks in advance. Mike Roberts

>
>



 
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