You didn't follow the ligitagion in that assessment that
occurred after Clinton DOJ was replaced by a systemic bunch of political
Bush rubber stamps who gutted any semblance of the Biil of Rights and are
going to find much of what they've tried to do now overturned by a House and
Senate that has booted their mafia completely out of control of every
committee there, particularly House and Senate Judiciary with their new
chairmen John Conyers and Pat Leahy including the eggregiously stupid law
that DOJ can use heresay testimony and the defense cannot denounced by the
ABA ans the vast majority of constitutional law professors in your country
the U.S.

MSFT first of all gets smacked legally because their law department is lead
by Brad Smith and Nancy Anderson and they litigate with the "we can do
whatever" and assess later mantra. It's arguably the most hemorrhagic
destructive set of litigation efforts in corporate history and it just keeps
on topping itself. The legal fees and fines for the European litigation are
progressing leaps and bounds and the main defeat cvame because MSFT thought
they could get away with complying on their code and had zilch to do with
utilities like Defender, or inclusion of One Care.

Actually, if you take a close look at how this litigation played out and
settled under Judge Kathleen Kotar-Kelly. it was Bush Ashcroft's DOJ and
Bush Gonzales DOJ that game MSFT the cushiest implementation of a settlement
this side of Britney's settlement with Kfed.

Microsoft Litigation Resource Page
http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic....41228040645419

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/msdoj/archive.html

Have a nice read Steve--the major result of this litigation was crafted by
Bush DOJ. In fact a considerable amount of time after MSFT successfully
got Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson and Larry Lessing Special Master removed
from the case by the D.C. Circuit on 4/1/98--several years--it was left to
Bush DOJ to shape the actual details that achieved the result. MSFT made
off like gangbusters in that litigation and it was part of the reason that
they hired the scumbag Ralph Reed the closest associate of new inmate Jack

Abramoff who is looking forward to most of the rest of his prime years in
prison.

Reed was paid $27,000 a month for years until it hit the media. That ended
Reed's career as one of the biggest scumbags to ever be a Redmond MSFT
employee.

Of course Defender could do more and it could have a helluva lot less false
positives and the community could have standardized the nomenclature and
criteria for spyware long ago. Defender has been the slowest work in
progress since elephants embarked on a 22 month gestation for their babies.

Clinton DOJ and the European Union have done nothing to keep MSFT from
embedding One Care's AV code into Vista. What determined this was
greed--they want the money for One Care Live and it's part of the overall
Live strategy that is now being coordinated by new MSFT hire from Ask Jeeves
Steve BerkowitzSenior Vice President, Online Services Group.

CH



"SteveC" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:344D7EFD-F50F-464F-9CF2-(E-Mail Removed)...
MS got spooked by the threats of lawsuits and especially the EU's threats
and crippled most of its utilities. They should have A/V included also and
Defender could do more. Blame it on Bill Clinton's Justice Dept for suing
over Internet Explorer.

"Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> You didn't follow the ligitagion in that assessment that
> occurred after Clinton DOJ was replaced by a systemic bunch of political
> Bush rubber stamps who gutted any semblance of the Biil of Rights and are
> going to find much of what they've tried to do now overturned by a House
> and
> Senate that has booted their mafia completely out of control of every
> committee there, particularly House and Senate Judiciary with their new
> chairmen John Conyers and Pat Leahy including the eggregiously stupid law
> that DOJ can use heresay testimony and the defense cannot denounced by the
> ABA ans the vast majority of constitutional law professors in your country
> the U.S.

John Conyers. Now there's a real gem.


> MSFT first of all gets smacked legally because their law department is
> lead
> by Brad Smith and Nancy Anderson and they litigate with the "we can do
> whatever" and assess later mantra. It's arguably the most hemorrhagic
> destructive set of litigation efforts in corporate history and it just
> keeps
> on topping itself. The legal fees and fines for the European litigation
> are
> progressing leaps and bounds and the main defeat cvame because MSFT
> thought
> they could get away with complying on their code and had zilch to do with
> utilities like Defender, or inclusion of One Care.
>
> Actually, if you take a close look at how this litigation played out and
> settled under Judge Kathleen Kotar-Kelly. it was Bush Ashcroft's DOJ and
> Bush Gonzales DOJ that game MSFT the cushiest implementation of a
> settlement
> this side of Britney's settlement with Kfed.
>
> Microsoft Litigation Resource Page
> http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic....41228040645419
>
> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/msdoj/archive.html
>
> Have a nice read Steve--the major result of this litigation was crafted by
> Bush DOJ. In fact a considerable amount of time after MSFT successfully
> got Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson and Larry Lessing Special Master
> removed
> from the case by the D.C. Circuit on 4/1/98--several years--it was left to
> Bush DOJ to shape the actual details that achieved the result. MSFT made
> off like gangbusters in that litigation and it was part of the reason that
> they hired the scumbag Ralph Reed the closest associate of new inmate Jack
>
> Abramoff who is looking forward to most of the rest of his prime years in
> prison.
>
> Reed was paid $27,000 a month for years until it hit the media. That
> ended
> Reed's career as one of the biggest scumbags to ever be a Redmond MSFT
> employee.
>
> Of course Defender could do more and it could have a helluva lot less
> false
> positives and the community could have standardized the nomenclature and
> criteria for spyware long ago. Defender has been the slowest work in
> progress since elephants embarked on a 22 month gestation for their
> babies.
>
> Clinton DOJ and the European Union have done nothing to keep MSFT from
> embedding One Care's AV code into Vista. What determined this was
> greed--they want the money for One Care Live and it's part of the overall
> Live strategy that is now being coordinated by new MSFT hire from Ask
> Jeeves
> Steve BerkowitzSenior Vice President, Online Services Group.
>
> CH
>
>
>
> "SteveC" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:344D7EFD-F50F-464F-9CF2-(E-Mail Removed)...
> MS got spooked by the threats of lawsuits and especially the EU's threats
> and crippled most of its utilities. They should have A/V included also
> and
> Defender could do more. Blame it on Bill Clinton's Justice Dept for suing
> over Internet Explorer.
>
>
>
>
>

The first sentence is 111 words long. I didn't read it. Neither did I read
the rest of your garbage.

Yes, the way you write is, to me, garbage - no matter what you are stating.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!



"Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> You didn't follow the ligitagion in that assessment that
> occurred after Clinton DOJ was replaced by a systemic bunch of political
> Bush rubber stamps who gutted any semblance of the Biil of Rights and are
> going to find much of what they've tried to do now overturned by a House
> and
> Senate that has booted their mafia completely out of control of every
> committee there, particularly House and Senate Judiciary with their new
> chairmen John Conyers and Pat Leahy including the eggregiously stupid law
> that DOJ can use heresay testimony and the defense cannot denounced by the
> ABA ans the vast majority of constitutional law professors in your country
> the U.S.
>
> MSFT first of all gets smacked legally because their law department is
> lead
> by Brad Smith and Nancy Anderson and they litigate with the "we can do
> whatever" and assess later mantra. It's arguably the most hemorrhagic
> destructive set of litigation efforts in corporate history and it just
> keeps
> on topping itself. The legal fees and fines for the European litigation
> are
> progressing leaps and bounds and the main defeat cvame because MSFT
> thought
> they could get away with complying on their code and had zilch to do with
> utilities like Defender, or inclusion of One Care.
>
> Actually, if you take a close look at how this litigation played out and
> settled under Judge Kathleen Kotar-Kelly. it was Bush Ashcroft's DOJ and
> Bush Gonzales DOJ that game MSFT the cushiest implementation of a
> settlement
> this side of Britney's settlement with Kfed.
>
> Microsoft Litigation Resource Page
> http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic....41228040645419
>
> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/msdoj/archive.html
>
> Have a nice read Steve--the major result of this litigation was crafted by
> Bush DOJ. In fact a considerable amount of time after MSFT successfully
> got Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson and Larry Lessing Special Master
> removed
> from the case by the D.C. Circuit on 4/1/98--several years--it was left to
> Bush DOJ to shape the actual details that achieved the result. MSFT made
> off like gangbusters in that litigation and it was part of the reason that
> they hired the scumbag Ralph Reed the closest associate of new inmate Jack
>
> Abramoff who is looking forward to most of the rest of his prime years in
> prison.
>
> Reed was paid $27,000 a month for years until it hit the media. That
> ended
> Reed's career as one of the biggest scumbags to ever be a Redmond MSFT
> employee.
>
> Of course Defender could do more and it could have a helluva lot less
> false
> positives and the community could have standardized the nomenclature and
> criteria for spyware long ago. Defender has been the slowest work in
> progress since elephants embarked on a 22 month gestation for their
> babies.
>
> Clinton DOJ and the European Union have done nothing to keep MSFT from
> embedding One Care's AV code into Vista. What determined this was
> greed--they want the money for One Care Live and it's part of the overall
> Live strategy that is now being coordinated by new MSFT hire from Ask
> Jeeves
> Steve BerkowitzSenior Vice President, Online Services Group.
>
> CH
>
>
>
> "SteveC" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:344D7EFD-F50F-464F-9CF2-(E-Mail Removed)...
> MS got spooked by the threats of lawsuits and especially the EU's threats
> and crippled most of its utilities. They should have A/V included also
> and
> Defender could do more. Blame it on Bill Clinton's Justice Dept for suing
> over Internet Explorer.
>
>
>
>
>

More irrelevant political garbage.
If you really feel the need to post this drivel, you should do so in an
appropriate forum.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
Snipped just the irrelevant garbage.

What does any of this have to do with Vista? This is off topic and belong
elswhere.

"Chad Harris" wrote:

> You didn't follow the ligitagion in that assessment that
> occurred after Clinton DOJ was replaced by a systemic bunch of political
> Bush rubber stamps who gutted any semblance of the Biil of Rights and are
> going to find much of what they've tried to do now overturned by a House and
> Senate that has booted their mafia completely out of control of every
> committee there, particularly House and Senate Judiciary with their new
> chairmen John Conyers and Pat Leahy including the eggregiously stupid law
> that DOJ can use heresay testimony and the defense cannot denounced by the
> ABA ans the vast majority of constitutional law professors in your country
> the U.S.
>
> MSFT first of all gets smacked legally because their law department is lead
> by Brad Smith and Nancy Anderson and they litigate with the "we can do
> whatever" and assess later mantra. It's arguably the most hemorrhagic
> destructive set of litigation efforts in corporate history and it just keeps
> on topping itself. The legal fees and fines for the European litigation are
> progressing leaps and bounds and the main defeat cvame because MSFT thought
> they could get away with complying on their code and had zilch to do with
> utilities like Defender, or inclusion of One Care.
>
> Actually, if you take a close look at how this litigation played out and
> settled under Judge Kathleen Kotar-Kelly. it was Bush Ashcroft's DOJ and
> Bush Gonzales DOJ that game MSFT the cushiest implementation of a settlement
> this side of Britney's settlement with Kfed.
>
> Microsoft Litigation Resource Page
> http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic....41228040645419
>
> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/msdoj/archive.html
>
> Have a nice read Steve--the major result of this litigation was crafted by
> Bush DOJ. In fact a considerable amount of time after MSFT successfully
> got Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson and Larry Lessing Special Master removed
> from the case by the D.C. Circuit on 4/1/98--several years--it was left to
> Bush DOJ to shape the actual details that achieved the result. MSFT made
> off like gangbusters in that litigation and it was part of the reason that
> they hired the scumbag Ralph Reed the closest associate of new inmate Jack
>
> Abramoff who is looking forward to most of the rest of his prime years in
> prison.
>
> Reed was paid $27,000 a month for years until it hit the media. That ended
> Reed's career as one of the biggest scumbags to ever be a Redmond MSFT
> employee.
>
> Of course Defender could do more and it could have a helluva lot less false
> positives and the community could have standardized the nomenclature and
> criteria for spyware long ago. Defender has been the slowest work in
> progress since elephants embarked on a 22 month gestation for their babies.
>
> Clinton DOJ and the European Union have done nothing to keep MSFT from
> embedding One Care's AV code into Vista. What determined this was
> greed--they want the money for One Care Live and it's part of the overall
> Live strategy that is now being coordinated by new MSFT hire from Ask Jeeves
> Steve BerkowitzSenior Vice President, Online Services Group.
>
> CH
>
>
>
> "SteveC" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:344D7EFD-F50F-464F-9CF2-(E-Mail Removed)...
> MS got spooked by the threats of lawsuits and especially the EU's threats
> and crippled most of its utilities. They should have A/V included also and
> Defender could do more. Blame it on Bill Clinton's Justice Dept for suing
> over Internet Explorer.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Enjoy his influence on the lopsided assault on the constitution from the
torture memos written after the individuals hid behind Ashcroft and
Gonzales' skirts. Both of them btw never served in any army or war. They got
deferments because they were scared.

If you enjoy the value of Conyers, you're in for a real good bout of
subponaes and laws reported out and passed on the floor without secret
conference committees and the senile old white men who blocked any
significant oversight at all are out on their asses now forever on House and
Senate Committees and for the first time in 14 years. But you and lol Karl
Rove and the rest of the pathetic delusional religious right can keep on
with your delusions.

Its reality on the ground that will matter. A number of US attorneys who
hid behind Republican cover at Main Justice are now going to have their
asses subpoenaed in and their authorship of torture memos exposed.

CH


"Roscoe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:2A7C5DBE-6C9B-4DEE-B08F-(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> You didn't follow the ligitagion in that assessment that
>> occurred after Clinton DOJ was replaced by a systemic bunch of political
>> Bush rubber stamps who gutted any semblance of the Biil of Rights and are
>> going to find much of what they've tried to do now overturned by a House
>> and
>> Senate that has booted their mafia completely out of control of every
>> committee there, particularly House and Senate Judiciary with their new
>> chairmen John Conyers and Pat Leahy including the eggregiously stupid law
>> that DOJ can use heresay testimony and the defense cannot denounced by
>> the
>> ABA ans the vast majority of constitutional law professors in your
>> country
>> the U.S.
>
> John Conyers. Now there's a real gem.
>
>
>> MSFT first of all gets smacked legally because their law department is
>> lead
>> by Brad Smith and Nancy Anderson and they litigate with the "we can do
>> whatever" and assess later mantra. It's arguably the most hemorrhagic
>> destructive set of litigation efforts in corporate history and it just
>> keeps
>> on topping itself. The legal fees and fines for the European litigation
>> are
>> progressing leaps and bounds and the main defeat cvame because MSFT
>> thought
>> they could get away with complying on their code and had zilch to do with
>> utilities like Defender, or inclusion of One Care.
>>
>> Actually, if you take a close look at how this litigation played out and
>> settled under Judge Kathleen Kotar-Kelly. it was Bush Ashcroft's DOJ
>> and
>> Bush Gonzales DOJ that game MSFT the cushiest implementation of a
>> settlement
>> this side of Britney's settlement with Kfed.
>>
>> Microsoft Litigation Resource Page
>> http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic....41228040645419
>>
>> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/msdoj/archive.html
>>
>> Have a nice read Steve--the major result of this litigation was crafted
>> by
>> Bush DOJ. In fact a considerable amount of time after MSFT
>> successfully
>> got Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson and Larry Lessing Special Master
>> removed
>> from the case by the D.C. Circuit on 4/1/98--several years--it was left
>> to
>> Bush DOJ to shape the actual details that achieved the result. MSFT made
>> off like gangbusters in that litigation and it was part of the reason
>> that
>> they hired the scumbag Ralph Reed the closest associate of new inmate
>> Jack
>>
>> Abramoff who is looking forward to most of the rest of his prime years in
>> prison.
>>
>> Reed was paid $27,000 a month for years until it hit the media. That
>> ended
>> Reed's career as one of the biggest scumbags to ever be a Redmond MSFT
>> employee.
>>
>> Of course Defender could do more and it could have a helluva lot less
>> false
>> positives and the community could have standardized the nomenclature and
>> criteria for spyware long ago. Defender has been the slowest work in
>> progress since elephants embarked on a 22 month gestation for their
>> babies.
>>
>> Clinton DOJ and the European Union have done nothing to keep MSFT from
>> embedding One Care's AV code into Vista. What determined this was
>> greed--they want the money for One Care Live and it's part of the overall
>> Live strategy that is now being coordinated by new MSFT hire from Ask
>> Jeeves
>> Steve BerkowitzSenior Vice President, Online Services Group.
>>
>> CH
>>
>>
>>
>> "SteveC" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:344D7EFD-F50F-464F-9CF2-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> MS got spooked by the threats of lawsuits and especially the EU's threats
>> and crippled most of its utilities. They should have A/V included also
>> and
>> Defender could do more. Blame it on Bill Clinton's Justice Dept for
>> suing
>> over Internet Explorer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

No one on the planet defines success by anything you have ever done or
cares.

CH


"Richard Urban" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> The first sentence is 111 words long. I didn't read it. Neither did I read
> the rest of your garbage.
>
> Yes, the way you write is, to me, garbage - no matter what you are
> stating.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
>
> "Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> You didn't follow the ligitagion in that assessment that
>> occurred after Clinton DOJ was replaced by a systemic bunch of political
>> Bush rubber stamps who gutted any semblance of the Biil of Rights and are
>> going to find much of what they've tried to do now overturned by a House
>> and
>> Senate that has booted their mafia completely out of control of every
>> committee there, particularly House and Senate Judiciary with their new
>> chairmen John Conyers and Pat Leahy including the eggregiously stupid law
>> that DOJ can use heresay testimony and the defense cannot denounced by
>> the
>> ABA ans the vast majority of constitutional law professors in your
>> country
>> the U.S.
>>
>> MSFT first of all gets smacked legally because their law department is
>> lead
>> by Brad Smith and Nancy Anderson and they litigate with the "we can do
>> whatever" and assess later mantra. It's arguably the most hemorrhagic
>> destructive set of litigation efforts in corporate history and it just
>> keeps
>> on topping itself. The legal fees and fines for the European litigation
>> are
>> progressing leaps and bounds and the main defeat cvame because MSFT
>> thought
>> they could get away with complying on their code and had zilch to do with
>> utilities like Defender, or inclusion of One Care.
>>
>> Actually, if you take a close look at how this litigation played out and
>> settled under Judge Kathleen Kotar-Kelly. it was Bush Ashcroft's DOJ
>> and
>> Bush Gonzales DOJ that game MSFT the cushiest implementation of a
>> settlement
>> this side of Britney's settlement with Kfed.
>>
>> Microsoft Litigation Resource Page
>> http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic....41228040645419
>>
>> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/msdoj/archive.html
>>
>> Have a nice read Steve--the major result of this litigation was crafted
>> by
>> Bush DOJ. In fact a considerable amount of time after MSFT
>> successfully
>> got Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson and Larry Lessing Special Master
>> removed
>> from the case by the D.C. Circuit on 4/1/98--several years--it was left
>> to
>> Bush DOJ to shape the actual details that achieved the result. MSFT made
>> off like gangbusters in that litigation and it was part of the reason
>> that
>> they hired the scumbag Ralph Reed the closest associate of new inmate
>> Jack
>>
>> Abramoff who is looking forward to most of the rest of his prime years in
>> prison.
>>
>> Reed was paid $27,000 a month for years until it hit the media. That
>> ended
>> Reed's career as one of the biggest scumbags to ever be a Redmond MSFT
>> employee.
>>
>> Of course Defender could do more and it could have a helluva lot less
>> false
>> positives and the community could have standardized the nomenclature and
>> criteria for spyware long ago. Defender has been the slowest work in
>> progress since elephants embarked on a 22 month gestation for their
>> babies.
>>
>> Clinton DOJ and the European Union have done nothing to keep MSFT from
>> embedding One Care's AV code into Vista. What determined this was
>> greed--they want the money for One Care Live and it's part of the overall
>> Live strategy that is now being coordinated by new MSFT hire from Ask
>> Jeeves
>> Steve BerkowitzSenior Vice President, Online Services Group.
>>
>> CH
>>
>>
>>
>> "SteveC" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:344D7EFD-F50F-464F-9CF2-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> MS got spooked by the threats of lawsuits and especially the EU's threats
>> and crippled most of its utilities. They should have A/V included also
>> and
>> Defender could do more. Blame it on Bill Clinton's Justice Dept for
>> suing
>> over Internet Explorer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

You should work on Jupiter's problems. They are infinite.

CH


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> More irrelevant political garbage.
> If you really feel the need to post this drivel, you should do so in an
> appropriate forum.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Snipped just the irrelevant garbage.

I'll tell you ace. It was a response to SteveC" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote in message news:344D7EFD-F50F-464F-9CF2-(E-Mail Removed)...


"MSFT got spooked by the threats of lawsuits and especially the EU's threats
and crippled most of its utilities. They should have A/V included also
andDefender could do more. Blame it on Bill Clinton's Justice Dept for
suing
over Internet Explorer."

This was proferred to this group by one comic called SteveC who helped to
give me a real laugh today as the reason why Vista didn't include an AV
program and as part of a complaint that Defender could be better.

It is curious that so many people who seem to have some modicum of education
post their complaints here when they aren't asking for direct help to solve
a problem--for example on Defender or One Care when there are newsgroups
where the One Care Live team actively participates, and both teams have
blogs that encourage emails and comments.

The same goes for Vista. Nearly every Vista team has a blog where they
encourage comments and emails and they are the people who make Vista. Vista
teams makes Vista. I'd take that to the bank. IE team makes IE7. It has a
blog.

CH



"Ron K." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:844D7D26-517A-45A7-A41B-(E-Mail Removed)...
> What does any of this have to do with Vista? This is off topic and belong
> elswhere.
>
> "Chad Harris" wrote:
>
>> You didn't follow the ligitagion in that assessment that
>> occurred after Clinton DOJ was replaced by a systemic bunch of political
>> Bush rubber stamps who gutted any semblance of the Biil of Rights and are
>> going to find much of what they've tried to do now overturned by a House
>> and
>> Senate that has booted their mafia completely out of control of every
>> committee there, particularly House and Senate Judiciary with their new
>> chairmen John Conyers and Pat Leahy including the eggregiously stupid law
>> that DOJ can use heresay testimony and the defense cannot denounced by
>> the
>> ABA ans the vast majority of constitutional law professors in your
>> country
>> the U.S.
>>
>> MSFT first of all gets smacked legally because their law department is
>> lead
>> by Brad Smith and Nancy Anderson and they litigate with the "we can do
>> whatever" and assess later mantra. It's arguably the most hemorrhagic
>> destructive set of litigation efforts in corporate history and it just
>> keeps
>> on topping itself. The legal fees and fines for the European litigation
>> are
>> progressing leaps and bounds and the main defeat cvame because MSFT
>> thought
>> they could get away with complying on their code and had zilch to do with
>> utilities like Defender, or inclusion of One Care.
>>
>> Actually, if you take a close look at how this litigation played out and
>> settled under Judge Kathleen Kotar-Kelly. it was Bush Ashcroft's DOJ
>> and
>> Bush Gonzales DOJ that game MSFT the cushiest implementation of a
>> settlement
>> this side of Britney's settlement with Kfed.
>>
>> Microsoft Litigation Resource Page
>> http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic....41228040645419
>>
>> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/msdoj/archive.html
>>
>> Have a nice read Steve--the major result of this litigation was crafted
>> by
>> Bush DOJ. In fact a considerable amount of time after MSFT
>> successfully
>> got Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson and Larry Lessing Special Master
>> removed
>> from the case by the D.C. Circuit on 4/1/98--several years--it was left
>> to
>> Bush DOJ to shape the actual details that achieved the result. MSFT made
>> off like gangbusters in that litigation and it was part of the reason
>> that
>> they hired the scumbag Ralph Reed the closest associate of new inmate
>> Jack
>>
>> Abramoff who is looking forward to most of the rest of his prime years in
>> prison.
>>
>> Reed was paid $27,000 a month for years until it hit the media. That
>> ended
>> Reed's career as one of the biggest scumbags to ever be a Redmond MSFT
>> employee.
>>
>> Of course Defender could do more and it could have a helluva lot less
>> false
>> positives and the community could have standardized the nomenclature and
>> criteria for spyware long ago. Defender has been the slowest work in
>> progress since elephants embarked on a 22 month gestation for their
>> babies.
>>
>> Clinton DOJ and the European Union have done nothing to keep MSFT from
>> embedding One Care's AV code into Vista. What determined this was
>> greed--they want the money for One Care Live and it's part of the overall
>> Live strategy that is now being coordinated by new MSFT hire from Ask
>> Jeeves
>> Steve BerkowitzSenior Vice President, Online Services Group.
>>
>> CH
>>
>>
>>
>> "SteveC" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:344D7EFD-F50F-464F-9CF2-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> MS got spooked by the threats of lawsuits and especially the EU's threats
>> and crippled most of its utilities. They should have A/V included also
>> and
>> Defender could do more. Blame it on Bill Clinton's Justice Dept for
>> suing
>> over Internet Explorer.
>>
>>
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>>

I would not post any problems I may have since it would be clearly off
topic.
I have the courtesy to understand what is off topic.
Why do you keep posting off topic garbage?
Never mind, no need to answer since the answer to that is in the 2nd
sentence above.

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"Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> You should work on Jupiter's problems. They are infinite.
>
> CH