As I did when I started on my BCI6 refills, I tested them again.

Unable to get hold of 'claimed' cli8 ink from resellers, I spent a few
hours arguing and getting transferred around, talking to inktec and
ausink, who claim to have cli8 inks, and after getting to someone with
some knoledge in Ausink, Canon Dye ink, C6, Black, is the same, and Canon
Colour dye inks, are C3, they made no change, and don't intend to, they
still beleive there ink matches or exceeds even the cli8 inks, which is
supposed to be much better than bci6, is it not?

When I origionally compared the aftermarket (although I get from
resellers, its ausink's ink) to BCI6, I found all of the inks except the
cyan to be better than the OEM under all abusive conditions.
The cyan got changed about 3 months after I ordered my first 500mL, About
when I reordered another 1L of colours was when the new inks came in.
I noticed no visible difference straight off, but was told the
formulation had changed.
There has been no changes in the ink since, as far as I am aware.


Now.

Having a new set of cartridges still never used from my i9900 (refilled
first set from day 1) I put them in..
Printed a bit to clear nozzles of AM ink.

Printed 2 pictures, and 2 copys of each.
I did the same with my ip6600D
I Now removed my new cartridges from the ip6600D, swapped chips to my
spent cartridge (as to not avoid the warranty incase of worst case
scenario).
Refilled them with C6 black and C3 Colours as I did with my BCI6 ones.
I printed full pages of junk to use half the ink in the ressy (more on
some of them) to garentee all oem ink spent.
I then printed the same as I did before.


One was colour spectrum, and fine colour lines, kind of similair to the
black test, black was the ISO test print they use with cameras (go look
at some dSLR reviews and you'll see it)

Was printed on canon's own high resolution paper (the polished one)

Having access to all sorts of wonderful UV gear at uni, a colour, and
black of all of them, got subjected to 12 hours of intense UV, with the
assistance of some humidity

The next step got subject to water in given spots.. even tho everyone
knows dye ink hates water, whats the harm in testing?

Last step, got thrown in the oven at just below 'tanning' point for a few
hours. (about 5)

After this I compared.

Colour:
None of the inks deteriated except red/magenta

CLI8 - Lost about 12 on M, 1 on C, 1 on Y, in regards to
magenta.

BCI6 - Lost about 11 on M, 0 on C, 1 on Y, in regards to red, 14 on M, 2
on C, 1 on Y in regards to magenta

C3 - Lost about 12 on M, 2 on C, 0 on Y, in regards to magenta


Black:
They all were identical, the scanner could not pick up even 1/255
difference on any of the 3 after testing several positions.
They all washed away into the identical green, with purple halo and
purple on the underside of the paper.

Resolution Difference:
Nothing, the i9900 naturally had the nicest looking print albeit with the
oversaturated red and green, as it does, otherwise resolution difference
was beyond the papers capability.

Colour difference compared:
The pM and pC both came up 1/255 different between the BCI6 and CLI8, the
aftermarket matched the cli8. Could be printer itself?


Considering the crudeness of this experiment..
I'm left wondering what improvement, if any, there really is in the
Chromalife ink?
As it seems to deterioate identical to both aftermarket and bci6 inks.
The improvement of the C3 ink is still obvious compared to the BCI6,
which was in my origional test years ago, the improvement remains much
the same, but the cli-8 does appear to be the same.

So the ink I get definately is not OEM ink, and may very well be made
here as they claim, is better than bci6, as good as cli8??, but no reason
to care, the difference is too small to be concerned about.

On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 03:42:30 -0500, cvt
<emmertex@@@@@........gmail.....com> wrote:

>As I did when I started on my BCI6 refills, I tested them again.
>
>Unable to get hold of 'claimed' cli8 ink from resellers, I spent a few
>hours arguing and getting transferred around, talking to inktec and
>ausink, who claim to have cli8 inks, and after getting to someone with
>some knoledge in Ausink, Canon Dye ink, C6, Black, is the same, and Canon
>Colour dye inks, are C3, they made no change, and don't intend to, they
>still beleive there ink matches or exceeds even the cli8 inks, which is
>supposed to be much better than bci6, is it not?
>
>When I origionally compared the aftermarket (although I get from
>resellers, its ausink's ink) to BCI6, I found all of the inks except the
>cyan to be better than the OEM under all abusive conditions.
>The cyan got changed about 3 months after I ordered my first 500mL, About
>when I reordered another 1L of colours was when the new inks came in.
>I noticed no visible difference straight off, but was told the
>formulation had changed.
>There has been no changes in the ink since, as far as I am aware.
>
>
>Now.
>
>Having a new set of cartridges still never used from my i9900 (refilled
>first set from day 1) I put them in..
>Printed a bit to clear nozzles of AM ink.

>snip

How do you put bci-6 cartridges into the ip6600D printer?

I thought they don't fit.

SLK

kahalas wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 03:42:30 -0500, cvt
><emmertex@@@@@........gmail.....com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>As I did when I started on my BCI6 refills, I tested them again.
>>
>>Unable to get hold of 'claimed' cli8 ink from resellers, I spent a few
>>hours arguing and getting transferred around, talking to inktec and
>>ausink, who claim to have cli8 inks, and after getting to someone with
>>some knoledge in Ausink, Canon Dye ink, C6, Black, is the same, and Canon
>>Colour dye inks, are C3, they made no change, and don't intend to, they
>>still beleive there ink matches or exceeds even the cli8 inks, which is
>>supposed to be much better than bci6, is it not?
>>
>>
HA HA HA

>>When I origionally compared the aftermarket (although I get from
>>resellers, its ausink's ink) to BCI6, I found all of the inks except the
>>cyan to be better than the OEM under all abusive conditions.
>>
>>
NO JUDGEMENT

HA HA HA

>>The cyan got changed about 3 months after I ordered my first 500mL, About
>>when I reordered another 1L of colours was when the new inks came in.
>>I noticed no visible difference straight off, but was told the
>>formulation had changed.
>>There has been no changes in the ink since, as far as I am aware.
>>
>>
CONSTANTLY CHANGING INK THAT IS NOT DISCLOSED. YOU BUY LOWEST BIDDER INK


>>
>>Now.
>>
>>Having a new set of cartridges still never used from my i9900 (refilled
>>first set from day 1) I put them in..
>>Printed a bit to clear nozzles of AM ink.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>snip
>>
>>
>
>How do you put bci-6 cartridges into the ip6600D printer?
>
>I thought they don't fit.
>
>SLK
>
>

ONE CANNOT LISTEN TO CIVET DA KAT WID HIS PEE H DEE
HE WET HIS PANTS WID DAT ONE

cvt wrote:

>As I did when I started on my BCI6 refills, I tested them again.
>
>Unable to get hold of 'claimed' cli8 ink from resellers, I spent a few
>hours arguing and getting transferred around, talking to inktec and
>ausink, who claim to have cli8 inks, and after getting to someone with
>some knoledge in Ausink, Canon Dye ink, C6, Black, is the same, and Canon
>Colour dye inks, are C3, they made no change, and don't intend to, they
>still beleive there ink matches or exceeds even the cli8 inks, which is
>supposed to be much better than bci6, is it not?
>
>When I origionally compared the aftermarket (although I get from
>resellers, its ausink's ink) to BCI6, I found all of the inks except the
>cyan to be better than the OEM under all abusive conditions.
>The cyan got changed about 3 months after I ordered my first 500mL, About
>when I reordered another 1L of colours was when the new inks came in.
>I noticed no visible difference straight off, but was told the
>formulation had changed.
>There has been no changes in the ink since, as far as I am aware.
>
>
>Now.
>
>Having a new set of cartridges still never used from my i9900 (refilled
>first set from day 1) I put them in..
>Printed a bit to clear nozzles of AM ink.
>
>Printed 2 pictures, and 2 copys of each.
>I did the same with my ip6600D
>I Now removed my new cartridges from the ip6600D, swapped chips to my
>spent cartridge (as to not avoid the warranty incase of worst case
>scenario).
>Refilled them with C6 black and C3 Colours as I did with my BCI6 ones.
>I printed full pages of junk to use half the ink in the ressy (more on
>some of them) to garentee all oem ink spent.
>I then printed the same as I did before.
>
>
>One was colour spectrum, and fine colour lines, kind of similair to the
>black test, black was the ISO test print they use with cameras (go look
>at some dSLR reviews and you'll see it)
>
>Was printed on canon's own high resolution paper (the polished one)
>
>Having access to all sorts of wonderful UV gear at uni, a colour, and
>black of all of them, got subjected to 12 hours of intense UV, with the
>assistance of some humidity
>
>The next step got subject to water in given spots.. even tho everyone
>knows dye ink hates water, whats the harm in testing?
>
>Last step, got thrown in the oven at just below 'tanning' point for a few
>hours. (about 5)
>
>After this I compared.
>
>Colour:
>None of the inks deteriated except red/magenta
>
>CLI8 - Lost about 12 on M, 1 on C, 1 on Y, in regards to
>magenta.
>
>BCI6 - Lost about 11 on M, 0 on C, 1 on Y, in regards to red, 14 on M, 2
>on C, 1 on Y in regards to magenta
>
>C3 - Lost about 12 on M, 2 on C, 0 on Y, in regards to magenta
>
>
>Black:
>They all were identical, the scanner could not pick up even 1/255
>difference on any of the 3 after testing several positions.
>They all washed away into the identical green, with purple halo and
>purple on the underside of the paper.
>
>Resolution Difference:
>Nothing, the i9900 naturally had the nicest looking print albeit with the
>oversaturated red and green, as it does, otherwise resolution difference
>was beyond the papers capability.
>
>Colour difference compared:
>The pM and pC both came up 1/255 different between the BCI6 and CLI8, the
>aftermarket matched the cli8. Could be printer itself?
>
>
>Considering the crudeness of this experiment..
>I'm left wondering what improvement, if any, there really is in the
>Chromalife ink?
>As it seems to deterioate identical to both aftermarket and bci6 inks.
>The improvement of the C3 ink is still obvious compared to the BCI6,
>which was in my origional test years ago, the improvement remains much
>the same, but the cli-8 does appear to be the same.
>
>So the ink I get definately is not OEM ink, and may very well be made
>here as they claim, is better than bci6, as good as cli8??, but no reason
>to care, the difference is too small to be concerned about.
>
>

> Refilled them with C6 black and C3 Colours as I did with my BCI6 ones.

Do the C3 color inks are same with bci6 or bci3 inks?


--
Yianni
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kahalas wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 03:42:30 -0500, cvt

> How do you put bci-6 cartridges into the ip6600D printer?
>
> I thought they don't fit.


I'll look into this when I get my ip5200. I thought they were similar
except for the chips that were piggybacked on the tanks, and the fancy
lights. I.e. I thought you could detach the units and slap them on an
old tank.

"zakezuke" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> kahalas wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 03:42:30 -0500, cvt
>
>> How do you put bci-6 cartridges into the ip6600D printer?
>>
>> I thought they don't fit.
>
>
> I'll look into this when I get my ip5200. I thought they were similar
> except for the chips that were piggybacked on the tanks, and the fancy
> lights. I.e. I thought you could detach the units and slap them on an
> old tank.
>
I looked, briefly, at an ip4200 recently and pulled one of the carts out.
There are two recesses on the bottom of the chipped carts that mate up with
two little "bumps" in the printhead that appear to prevent placement of the
bci-6 cart. If anyone has one of the most recent Pixmas and the printhead
is defective, it would be interesting to take a small grinder, take out the
bumps in the area where the carts seat, and see if all the other dimensions
of the bci-6 cart will fit. You could further see if bci-6 carts would
print with a modified printhead. Maybe that would be the answer to the
refill issue. If anyone has some bci-6 carts and also some of the newer
carts it would be interesting for you to compare them and report on the NG.

> If anyone has some bci-6 carts and also some of the newer
> carts it would be interesting for you to compare them and report on the NG.

Looks like my printer shipped and should be here on friday.

Yianni wrote:

>> Refilled them with C6 black and C3 Colours as I did with my BCI6 ones.
>
>
> Do the C3 color inks are same with bci6 or bci3 inks?

IF YOU REFILLED WHO CARES

>
>

measekite wrote:

> ONE CANNOT LISTEN TO CIVET DA KAT WID HIS PEE H DEE
> HE WET HIS PANTS WID DAT ONE

HA HA HA

>
> cvt wrote:
>
>> As I did when I started on my BCI6 refills, I tested them again.
>>
>> Unable to get hold of 'claimed' cli8 ink from resellers, I spent a
>> few hours arguing and getting transferred around, talking to inktec
>> and ausink, who claim to have cli8 inks, and after getting to someone
>> with some knoledge in Ausink, Canon Dye ink, C6, Black, is the same,
>> and Canon Colour dye inks, are C3, they made no change, and don't
>> intend to, they still beleive there ink matches or exceeds even the
>> cli8 inks, which is supposed to be much better than bci6, is it not?
>>
>> When I origionally compared the aftermarket (although I get from
>> resellers, its ausink's ink) to BCI6, I found all of the inks except
>> the cyan to be better than the OEM under all abusive conditions.
>> The cyan got changed about 3 months after I ordered my first 500mL,
>> About when I reordered another 1L of colours was when the new inks
>> came in.
>> I noticed no visible difference straight off, but was told the
>> formulation had changed.
>> There has been no changes in the ink since, as far as I am aware.
>>
>>
>> Now.
>>
>> Having a new set of cartridges still never used from my i9900
>> (refilled first set from day 1) I put them in..
>> Printed a bit to clear nozzles of AM ink.
>>
>> Printed 2 pictures, and 2 copys of each.
>> I did the same with my ip6600D
>> I Now removed my new cartridges from the ip6600D, swapped chips to my
>> spent cartridge (as to not avoid the warranty incase of worst case
>> scenario).
>> Refilled them with C6 black and C3 Colours as I did with my BCI6 ones.
>> I printed full pages of junk to use half the ink in the ressy (more
>> on some of them) to garentee all oem ink spent.
>> I then printed the same as I did before.
>>
>>
>> One was colour spectrum, and fine colour lines, kind of similair to
>> the black test, black was the ISO test print they use with cameras
>> (go look at some dSLR reviews and you'll see it)
>>
>> Was printed on canon's own high resolution paper (the polished one)
>>
>> Having access to all sorts of wonderful UV gear at uni, a colour, and
>> black of all of them, got subjected to 12 hours of intense UV, with
>> the assistance of some humidity
>>
>> The next step got subject to water in given spots.. even tho
>> everyone knows dye ink hates water, whats the harm in testing?
>>
>> Last step, got thrown in the oven at just below 'tanning' point for a
>> few hours. (about 5)
>>
>> After this I compared.
>>
>> Colour:
>> None of the inks deteriated except red/magenta
>>
>> CLI8 - Lost about 12 on M, 1 on C, 1 on Y, in regards to magenta.
>>
>> BCI6 - Lost about 11 on M, 0 on C, 1 on Y, in regards to red, 14 on
>> M, 2 on C, 1 on Y in regards to magenta
>>
>> C3 - Lost about 12 on M, 2 on C, 0 on Y, in regards to magenta
>>
>>
>> Black:
>> They all were identical, the scanner could not pick up even 1/255
>> difference on any of the 3 after testing several positions.
>> They all washed away into the identical green, with purple halo and
>> purple on the underside of the paper.
>>
>> Resolution Difference:
>> Nothing, the i9900 naturally had the nicest looking print albeit with
>> the oversaturated red and green, as it does, otherwise resolution
>> difference was beyond the papers capability.
>>
>> Colour difference compared:
>> The pM and pC both came up 1/255 different between the BCI6 and CLI8,
>> the aftermarket matched the cli8. Could be printer itself?
>>
>>
>> Considering the crudeness of this experiment..
>> I'm left wondering what improvement, if any, there really is in the
>> Chromalife ink?
>> As it seems to deterioate identical to both aftermarket and bci6 inks.
>> The improvement of the C3 ink is still obvious compared to the BCI6,
>> which was in my origional test years ago, the improvement remains
>> much the same, but the cli-8 does appear to be the same.
>>
>> So the ink I get definately is not OEM ink, and may very well be made
>> here as they claim, is better than bci6, as good as cli8??, but no
>> reason to care, the difference is too small to be concerned about.
>>
>>