I compose most of my web pages in Word. I usually copy that text into
Notepad and then recopy it into a page in FrontPage 2003. The problem
is that I lose formatting, like itals and bold, when I go to and from
Notepad.

I have tried using the new Optimize HTML function in FrontPage 2003,
but it does not do as good a job as going through Notepad. For
instance, <p> coding is left whereas Notepad converts that coding to
less bloated break commands.

How can I better achieve my goal?

For example, is there a way to preserve the formatting of itals and
bold when going through Notepad? Is there a better way to work in
Word to more dramatically reduce code bloat?
Chuck Humphrey

Try composing your web pages in FrontPage.

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"Chuck Humphrey" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I compose most of my web pages in Word. I usually copy that text into
> Notepad and then recopy it into a page in FrontPage 2003. The problem
> is that I lose formatting, like itals and bold, when I go to and from
> Notepad.
>
> I have tried using the new Optimize HTML function in FrontPage 2003,
> but it does not do as good a job as going through Notepad. For
> instance, <p> coding is left whereas Notepad converts that coding to
> less bloated break commands.
>
> How can I better achieve my goal?
>
> For example, is there a way to preserve the formatting of itals and
> bold when going through Notepad? Is there a better way to work in
> Word to more dramatically reduce code bloat?
> Chuck Humphrey

I read your post 3 times, and what you're doing is kind of like driving from LA to San Diego via
Yuma Arizona.

fwiw, FP 2003 and the html bloat myth is just that. Html bloat is caused by inexperienced users.

You will be much better off and much less frustrated by simply working in FrontPage from the
beginning.

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"Chuck Humphrey" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I compose most of my web pages in Word. I usually copy that text into
> Notepad and then recopy it into a page in FrontPage 2003. The problem
> is that I lose formatting, like itals and bold, when I go to and from
> Notepad.
>
> I have tried using the new Optimize HTML function in FrontPage 2003,
> but it does not do as good a job as going through Notepad. For
> instance, <p> coding is left whereas Notepad converts that coding to
> less bloated break commands.
>
> How can I better achieve my goal?
>
> For example, is there a way to preserve the formatting of itals and
> bold when going through Notepad? Is there a better way to work in
> Word to more dramatically reduce code bloat?
> Chuck Humphrey

How is <p> tag more coding than a <br> tag, which requires 2 to equal one <p> tag?

As suggested, create your content directly in FP, not in Word first.

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"Chuck Humphrey" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I compose most of my web pages in Word. I usually copy that text into
> Notepad and then recopy it into a page in FrontPage 2003. The problem
> is that I lose formatting, like itals and bold, when I go to and from
> Notepad.
>
> I have tried using the new Optimize HTML function in FrontPage 2003,
> but it does not do as good a job as going through Notepad. For
> instance, <p> coding is left whereas Notepad converts that coding to
> less bloated break commands.
>
> How can I better achieve my goal?
>
> For example, is there a way to preserve the formatting of itals and
> bold when going through Notepad? Is there a better way to work in
> Word to more dramatically reduce code bloat?
> Chuck Humphrey

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:06:44 -0400, "Thomas A. Rowe" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>How is <p> tag more coding than a <br> tag, which requires 2 to equal one <p> tag?
>
>As suggested, create your content directly in FP, not in Word first.


After a </p> there is style coding such as:
</p>
<!--mstheme--></font></td><td valign="top"
width="24"></td><!--msnavigation--><td
valign="top"><!--mstheme--><font face="Times New Roman">
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0">
<font face="Arial Black" size="4"
color="#000080">Introduction</font></p>
<p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0">The conclusions in the
chart below...

After a <br> there is no repetition of those 7 or so lines of code.
Am I incorrect in thinking that this is bloated code that will
downgrade my site to some extent when it is read by serach engine
robots?
Chuck Humphrey

Yes... as I said in a forum post recently, what amazes me is how often
the people who go on about "the well-known FrontPage code bloat" are
people who have never used FrontPage or even looked at it.

It's an urban myth. Period.

FrontPage doesn't produce any more so-called "code bloat" than
Dreamweaver and, IMO, less than Adobe Go-Live.

If you really want to pare down "code bloat" to zero, go back to using
NotePad for everything. And good luck with that... it will certainly
take care of any of that boring spare time you now have hanging
around...



"Steve Easton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I read your post 3 times, and what you're doing is kind of like
driving from LA to San Diego via
> Yuma Arizona.
>
> fwiw, FP 2003 and the html bloat myth is just that. Html bloat is
caused by inexperienced users.
>
> You will be much better off and much less frustrated by simply working
in FrontPage from the
> beginning.
>
> --
> Steve Easton
> Microsoft MVP FrontPage
> 95isalive
> This site is best viewed............
> .......................with a computer
>
> "Chuck Humphrey" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I compose most of my web pages in Word. I usually copy that text
into
> > Notepad and then recopy it into a page in FrontPage 2003. The
problem
> > is that I lose formatting, like itals and bold, when I go to and
from
> > Notepad.
> >
> > I have tried using the new Optimize HTML function in FrontPage 2003,
> > but it does not do as good a job as going through Notepad. For
> > instance, <p> coding is left whereas Notepad converts that coding to
> > less bloated break commands.
> >
> > How can I better achieve my goal?
> >
> > For example, is there a way to preserve the formatting of itals and
> > bold when going through Notepad? Is there a better way to work in
> > Word to more dramatically reduce code bloat?
> > Chuck Humphrey
>
>

But if you create your content directly in FP and don't use themes, you can avoid all of this extra
code to start with.

The extra code has no impact on your site being indexed, as the major search engines are indexing
your site on what users would see in a browser, not the code in your pages.

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"Chuck Humphrey" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:06:44 -0400, "Thomas A. Rowe" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
> >How is <p> tag more coding than a <br> tag, which requires 2 to equal one <p> tag?
> >
> >As suggested, create your content directly in FP, not in Word first.
>
>
> After a </p> there is style coding such as:
> </p>
> <!--mstheme--></font></td><td valign="top"
> width="24"></td><!--msnavigation--><td
> valign="top"><!--mstheme--><font face="Times New Roman">
> <p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0">
> <font face="Arial Black" size="4"
> color="#000080">Introduction</font></p>
> <p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0">The conclusions in the
> chart below...
>
> After a <br> there is no repetition of those 7 or so lines of code.
> Am I incorrect in thinking that this is bloated code that will
> downgrade my site to some extent when it is read by serach engine
> robots?
> Chuck Humphrey

I still prefer to use FP2000, so the following is what I see when using the <p></p> tags:

<p>Site Visitor or Subscriber acknowledges that it does not acquire any ownership rights by
downloading copyrighted material.</p>
<p>Your Community On-Line Network shall have the right at any time to change or discontinue any
aspect or feature of Your Community On-Line Network.</p>

I use no themes, etc.

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"Thomas A. Rowe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> But if you create your content directly in FP and don't use themes, you can avoid all of this
extra
> code to start with.
>
> The extra code has no impact on your site being indexed, as the major search engines are indexing
> your site on what users would see in a browser, not the code in your pages.
>
> --
> ==============================================
> Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
> WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
> http://www.ycoln-resources.com
> FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
> ==============================================
> To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
> http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
>
> "Chuck Humphrey" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:06:44 -0400, "Thomas A. Rowe" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >How is <p> tag more coding than a <br> tag, which requires 2 to equal one <p> tag?
> > >
> > >As suggested, create your content directly in FP, not in Word first.
> >
> >
> > After a </p> there is style coding such as:
> > </p>
> > <!--mstheme--></font></td><td valign="top"
> > width="24"></td><!--msnavigation--><td
> > valign="top"><!--mstheme--><font face="Times New Roman">
> > <p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0">
> > <font face="Arial Black" size="4"
> > color="#000080">Introduction</font></p>
> > <p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0">The conclusions in the
> > chart below...
> >
> > After a <br> there is no repetition of those 7 or so lines of code.
> > Am I incorrect in thinking that this is bloated code that will
> > downgrade my site to some extent when it is read by serach engine
> > robots?
> > Chuck Humphrey
>
>

So, it's the themes that is the culprit? They offer a nice
alternative to scaling the learning curve of FrontPage and HTML
programming. I am very disappointed that a useful feature touted by
Microsoft is the cause of code bloat.

By the way,

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:43:06 -0400, "Thomas A. Rowe" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>But if you create your content directly in FP and don't use themes, you can avoid all of this extra
>code to start with.
>
>The extra code has no impact on your site being indexed, as the major search engines are indexing
>your site on what users would see in a browser, not the code in your pages.

Chuck Humphrey

FP 2003 applies theme using CSS so there is no html code bloat
- webs from prior versions (themes applied as html) need to be updated and the FP 2003 theme CSS can be streamlined to remove WSS
styles
See http://sbrenjoy.bizland.com/frontpag...newthemes.html

The tags w/ inline styles are User created, not FP created - as in
(p style="margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0">

The 24 px cell come from using shared borders
- in FP 2003 look at Dynamic Web Templates


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"Chuck Humphrey" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
| So, it's the themes that is the culprit? They offer a nice
| alternative to scaling the learning curve of FrontPage and HTML
| programming. I am very disappointed that a useful feature touted by
| Microsoft is the cause of code bloat.
|
| By the way,
|
| On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:43:06 -0400, "Thomas A. Rowe" <(E-Mail Removed)>
| wrote:
|
| >But if you create your content directly in FP and don't use themes, you can avoid all of this extra
| >code to start with.
| >
| >The extra code has no impact on your site being indexed, as the major search engines are indexing
| >your site on what users would see in a browser, not the code in your pages.
|
| Chuck Humphrey