Hi, I want to be able to put a figure in a cell that is inclusive of VAT and
for it to then become the amount less VAT at 17.5 %. ie if I put in box A6
117.5 I want it to become 100. I know the sum is (A6)/1.175 but it gives a
circular reference error. I tried doing what the help said and ticking the
iteration box but it didnt seem to help. Is there any way of doing this?

Thanks in advance

Of course you're going to have a cicular error if you put the formula in the
same box as the data entry. So don't do that. Enter 117.50 in cell A6. Put
your formula in *any other* cell, like A7.

Regards,
Fred.

"Steve" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:35D8D991-2749-4864-9D5A-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi, I want to be able to put a figure in a cell that is inclusive of VAT
> and
> for it to then become the amount less VAT at 17.5 %. ie if I put in box A6
> 117.5 I want it to become 100. I know the sum is (A6)/1.175 but it gives a
> circular reference error. I tried doing what the help said and ticking the
> iteration box but it didnt seem to help. Is there any way of doing this?
>
> Thanks in advance

You are correct with your understanding, but in the table I am trying to
create, I want it in the same cell and not in another as you suggest. I have
a series of columns with different headings that I want the amount in less
the VAT. I have to put that in first and then it will be calculated in a
totals column inclusive of VAT. As I would have the figures inc. VAT it would
save me the time calculating the - VAT before I put it. If I use a different
cell I would have twice as many and it wouldn't make any sense. I hope this
explains it, I know it it is not a common thing to do, thats why I need help


"smartin" wrote:

> Steve wrote:
> > Hi, I want to be able to put a figure in a cell that is inclusive of VAT and
> > for it to then become the amount less VAT at 17.5 %. ie if I put in box A6
> > 117.5 I want it to become 100. I know the sum is (A6)/1.175 but it gives a
> > circular reference error. I tried doing what the help said and ticking the
> > iteration box but it didnt seem to help. Is there any way of doing this?
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Let me make sure I understand the dilemma: You want to type 117.5 in A6
> and this cell will then somehow morph to a value of 100?
>
> Perhaps this is possible with VBA code, but why? Why not enter a value
> inclusive of VAT in A6 and then calculate the value exclusive of VAT in
> a new cell as =A6/1.175 ?
>

Perhaps you chould create insert a new worksheet that mirrors the values
(less VAT) using =Sheet1!A1/1.175 (assuming the initial value is in worksheet
'Sheet1' and cell A1.
Dragging this formula should change the cell references as it is pasted
avoiding the need to type into every cell.

"Steve" wrote:

> You are correct with your understanding, but in the table I am trying to
> create, I want it in the same cell and not in another as you suggest. I have
> a series of columns with different headings that I want the amount in less
> the VAT. I have to put that in first and then it will be calculated in a
> totals column inclusive of VAT. As I would have the figures inc. VAT it would
> save me the time calculating the - VAT before I put it. If I use a different
> cell I would have twice as many and it wouldn't make any sense. I hope this
> explains it, I know it it is not a common thing to do, thats why I need help
>
>
> "smartin" wrote:
>
> > Steve wrote:
> > > Hi, I want to be able to put a figure in a cell that is inclusive of VAT and
> > > for it to then become the amount less VAT at 17.5 %. ie if I put in box A6
> > > 117.5 I want it to become 100. I know the sum is (A6)/1.175 but it gives a
> > > circular reference error. I tried doing what the help said and ticking the
> > > iteration box but it didnt seem to help. Is there any way of doing this?
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > Let me make sure I understand the dilemma: You want to type 117.5 in A6
> > and this cell will then somehow morph to a value of 100?
> >
> > Perhaps this is possible with VBA code, but why? Why not enter a value
> > inclusive of VAT in A6 and then calculate the value exclusive of VAT in
> > a new cell as =A6/1.175 ?
> >

Don't really understand what you are getting at. I don't want to put the
value in a different cell because I want to keep the table simple, if you
could see what I was trying to achieve it would make more sense. I don't know
how to devise a VBA solution, that's what I need help with....

"David Biddulph" wrote:

> How much extra do you have to pay to Microsoft to use the extra cells? :-)
> But if you prefer to devise a VBA solution rather than using the simple
> formula option, and if you are happy that you can keep track of which of the
> values in the same column ae including VAT and which are excluding, then you
> are welcome to do so.
> --
> David Biddulph
>
> "Steve" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:EEEEEF3F-9BF2-47D2-8078-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > You are correct with your understanding, but in the table I am trying to
> > create, I want it in the same cell and not in another as you suggest. I
> > have
> > a series of columns with different headings that I want the amount in less
> > the VAT. I have to put that in first and then it will be calculated in a
> > totals column inclusive of VAT. As I would have the figures inc. VAT it
> > would
> > save me the time calculating the - VAT before I put it. If I use a
> > different
> > cell I would have twice as many and it wouldn't make any sense. I hope
> > this
> > explains it, I know it it is not a common thing to do, thats why I need
> > help
> >
> >
> > "smartin" wrote:
> >
> >> Steve wrote:
> >> > Hi, I want to be able to put a figure in a cell that is inclusive of
> >> > VAT and
> >> > for it to then become the amount less VAT at 17.5 %. ie if I put in box
> >> > A6
> >> > 117.5 I want it to become 100. I know the sum is (A6)/1.175 but it
> >> > gives a
> >> > circular reference error. I tried doing what the help said and ticking
> >> > the
> >> > iteration box but it didnt seem to help. Is there any way of doing
> >> > this?
> >>
> >> Hi Steve,
> >>
> >> Let me make sure I understand the dilemma: You want to type 117.5 in A6
> >> and this cell will then somehow morph to a value of 100?
> >>
> >> Perhaps this is possible with VBA code, but why? Why not enter a value
> >> inclusive of VAT in A6 and then calculate the value exclusive of VAT in
> >> a new cell as =A6/1.175 ?
> >>
>
>
>

Let me try to explain....

I get a receipt which has the gross amount on it which I will need in a
'totals' column, I also want the net value in one of about eight columns that
describe what the receipt was for ie. fuel, postage, materials etc. If I put
the gross amount in the totals column, I cant see a way of having a formula
to calculate it net of vat in just one of the other columns. Therefore, I
want to put the gross amount in the net column and for it to be changed to
net, the totals column would then be able to add the vat back on.
I am basically trying to save myself the time calculating the amount less
vat before I put it into the table, not the end of the world if I cant but
not unnecessary.

I hope this makes sense, I dont want to start adding columns that don't make
any sense to whoever I present it to. I do appreciate your help, I only know
the real basics of excel but thought there may be a simple solution to the
problem.

"smartin" wrote:

> Ok but you said in another column you will be calculating inclusive of
> VAT, so you are already using two cells and doing a calculation on each
> item. What's the difference? Other than you want to add an additional,
> unnecessary calculation?
>
> I'm not trying to be stubborn here, I just don't understand the purpose
> of backing into a number you've already backed out of. That is, apropos
> to your title, quite circular indeed.
>
> Plus, there is some inherent risk in modifying user input on the fly
> when best practice would suggest letting that input stand on its own
> merits and making modifications elsewhere to achieve the objective. But
> that's just me.
>
> Steve wrote:
> > You are correct with your understanding, but in the table I am trying to
> > create, I want it in the same cell and not in another as you suggest. I have
> > a series of columns with different headings that I want the amount in less
> > the VAT. I have to put that in first and then it will be calculated in a
> > totals column inclusive of VAT. As I would have the figures inc. VAT it would
> > save me the time calculating the - VAT before I put it. If I use a different
> > cell I would have twice as many and it wouldn't make any sense. I hope this
> > explains it, I know it it is not a common thing to do, thats why I need help
> >
> >
> > "smartin" wrote:
> >
> >> Steve wrote:
> >>> Hi, I want to be able to put a figure in a cell that is inclusive of VAT and
> >>> for it to then become the amount less VAT at 17.5 %. ie if I put in box A6
> >>> 117.5 I want it to become 100. I know the sum is (A6)/1.175 but it gives a
> >>> circular reference error. I tried doing what the help said and ticking the
> >>> iteration box but it didnt seem to help. Is there any way of doing this?
> >> Hi Steve,
> >>
> >> Let me make sure I understand the dilemma: You want to type 117.5 in A6
> >> and this cell will then somehow morph to a value of 100?
> >>
> >> Perhaps this is possible with VBA code, but why? Why not enter a value
> >> inclusive of VAT in A6 and then calculate the value exclusive of VAT in
> >> a new cell as =A6/1.175 ?
> >>
>

Although it's possible to do with VBA, if you're a basic Excel user, my
advice is to avoid it. It won't be easy to proram or maintain.

If you don't want to use an extra cell, why not enter a formula when you
have a VAT-in price. It's just as acceptable in Excel to enter "=117/1.175"
(without the quotes) as "100". This will be the simplest, and gives you an
audit trail in case you make a data entry error.

Regards,
Fred.



"Steve" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:CCD4B950-BFFF-4540-BE32-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Let me try to explain....
>
> I get a receipt which has the gross amount on it which I will need in a
> 'totals' column, I also want the net value in one of about eight columns
> that
> describe what the receipt was for ie. fuel, postage, materials etc. If I
> put
> the gross amount in the totals column, I cant see a way of having a
> formula
> to calculate it net of vat in just one of the other columns. Therefore, I
> want to put the gross amount in the net column and for it to be changed to
> net, the totals column would then be able to add the vat back on.
> I am basically trying to save myself the time calculating the amount less
> vat before I put it into the table, not the end of the world if I cant but
> not unnecessary.
>
> I hope this makes sense, I dont want to start adding columns that don't
> make
> any sense to whoever I present it to. I do appreciate your help, I only
> know
> the real basics of excel but thought there may be a simple solution to the
> problem.
>
> "smartin" wrote:
>
>> Ok but you said in another column you will be calculating inclusive of
>> VAT, so you are already using two cells and doing a calculation on each
>> item. What's the difference? Other than you want to add an additional,
>> unnecessary calculation?
>>
>> I'm not trying to be stubborn here, I just don't understand the purpose
>> of backing into a number you've already backed out of. That is, apropos
>> to your title, quite circular indeed.
>>
>> Plus, there is some inherent risk in modifying user input on the fly
>> when best practice would suggest letting that input stand on its own
>> merits and making modifications elsewhere to achieve the objective. But
>> that's just me.
>>
>> Steve wrote:
>> > You are correct with your understanding, but in the table I am trying
>> > to
>> > create, I want it in the same cell and not in another as you suggest. I
>> > have
>> > a series of columns with different headings that I want the amount in
>> > less
>> > the VAT. I have to put that in first and then it will be calculated in
>> > a
>> > totals column inclusive of VAT. As I would have the figures inc. VAT it
>> > would
>> > save me the time calculating the - VAT before I put it. If I use a
>> > different
>> > cell I would have twice as many and it wouldn't make any sense. I hope
>> > this
>> > explains it, I know it it is not a common thing to do, thats why I need
>> > help
>> >
>> >
>> > "smartin" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Steve wrote:
>> >>> Hi, I want to be able to put a figure in a cell that is inclusive of
>> >>> VAT and
>> >>> for it to then become the amount less VAT at 17.5 %. ie if I put in
>> >>> box A6
>> >>> 117.5 I want it to become 100. I know the sum is (A6)/1.175 but it
>> >>> gives a
>> >>> circular reference error. I tried doing what the help said and
>> >>> ticking the
>> >>> iteration box but it didnt seem to help. Is there any way of doing
>> >>> this?
>> >> Hi Steve,
>> >>
>> >> Let me make sure I understand the dilemma: You want to type 117.5 in
>> >> A6
>> >> and this cell will then somehow morph to a value of 100?
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps this is possible with VBA code, but why? Why not enter a value
>> >> inclusive of VAT in A6 and then calculate the value exclusive of VAT
>> >> in
>> >> a new cell as =A6/1.175 ?
>> >>
>>