The Rambus horde must be doing backflips over this one.

http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/s...toryId=1151885

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:20:37 +0100, YKhan <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> The Rambus horde must be doing backflips over this one.
>
> http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/s...toryId=1151885
>

is this news? Intel is price fixing all the time


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YKhan wrote:
> The Rambus horde must be doing backflips over this one.
>
> http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/s...toryId=1151885

Where's George now? Perhaps he should be getting out a napkin and
dinnerware....crows on the menu : )

DK

hackbox.info wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:20:37 +0100, YKhan <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> The Rambus horde must be doing backflips over this one.
>>
>> http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/s...toryId=1151885
>>
>>
>
> is this news? Intel is price fixing all the time

Let me guess, this was already debated and detailed in comp.arch at
least six months ago? ;-)

Yousuf Khan

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:56:55 +0100, Yousuf Khan <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> hackbox.info wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:20:37 +0100, YKhan <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> The Rambus horde must be doing backflips over this one.
>>>
>>> http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/s...toryId=1151885
>> is this news? Intel is price fixing all the time
>
> Let me guess, this was already debated and detailed in comp.arch at
> least six months ago? ;-)

I have no idea, I dont read comp.arch.*
Every oligopoly/monopoly chip manufacturer is price fixing, like
NVidia/Intel/ATI/AMD and many others. How else would you call selling
Semprons, NForce SLI chips or Celerons?

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hackbox.info wrote:
> Every oligopoly/monopoly chip manufacturer is price fixing, like
> NVidia/Intel/ATI/AMD and many others. How else would you call selling
> Semprons, NForce SLI chips or Celerons?

Price fixing implies an agreements between business competitors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing

Do you think ATI and NVIDIA discuss the price of GPUs together?

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YKhan wrote:
> The Rambus horde must be doing backflips over this one.

I'm wondering why you included alt.invest.stocks.amd?

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:29:37 +0100, Grumble <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> hackbox.info wrote:
>> Every oligopoly/monopoly chip manufacturer is price fixing, like
>> NVidia/Intel/ATI/AMD and many others. How else would you call selling
>> Semprons, NForce SLI chips or Celerons?
>
> Price fixing implies an agreements between business competitors.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing
>
> Do you think ATI and NVIDIA discuss the price of GPUs together?

mm yes, there is no other explanation to absence of price war, top of the
line ATI/NVidia cards are $649 by a coincidence?
I suspect that they just agreed to sell low end cards ~$100, top models at
$649, and to not undercut prices.

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hackbox.info <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in part:
> mm yes, there is no other explanation to absence of price war,
> top of the line ATI/NVidia cards are $649 by a coincidence?
> I suspect that they just agreed to sell low end cards ~$100,
> top models at $649, and to not undercut prices.

Hardly necessary. Common pricing is also the hallmark of
an efficient and competitive market. They both see the same
demand curves.

Price wars are expensive for the participants, and not required
for efficient markets or under US antitrust law. In fact,
the wrong price war can lead to charges of predatory pricing.

You probably also think that the oil companies are ripping you
off, and ought to be selling gasoline at $1/USgal. Nevermind
that internationally-traded crude oil is $1.55/gal and gasoline
on the NY exchange is $1.70/gal, before transportation,
state taxes, additives and retailing costs.

-- Robert

hackbox.info wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:29:37 +0100, Grumble wrote:
>
>>hackbox.info wrote:
>>
>>>Every oligopoly/monopoly chip manufacturer is price fixing, like
>>>NVidia/Intel/ATI/AMD and many others. How else would you call selling
>>>Semprons, NForce SLI chips or Celerons?
>>
>>Price fixing implies an agreements between business competitors.
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing
>>
>>Do you think ATI and NVIDIA discuss the price of GPUs together?
>
> mm yes, there is no other explanation to absence of price war, top of the
> line ATI/NVidia cards are $649 by a coincidence?
> I suspect that they just agreed to sell low end cards ~$100, top models at
> $649, and to not undercut prices.

First off, there is no such thing as a "top of the line NVIDIA cards"
since NVIDIA only sells the GPU and a reference design.

e.g. Newegg.com sells several 7800GTX-based 256MB graphics cards from
MSI, eVGA, Albatron, XFX, ASUS, BIOSTAR, and BFG, with prices ranging
from $450 to $510.

As far as the low-end is concerned, one can find 6200TC-based graphics
cards for $40-$50.

It's hard to argue with somebody who gets all their facts wrong...

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