After using Zone Alarm as both a firewall and AV for years? I installed
the free Avast AV on an old machine (ZA wouldn't uninstall to accept an
update and I ditched it)

Well, it immediately found and eliminated several trojans with the first
scan with Avast which were around for nearly a year (I posted this a
while back)

For the past couple of weeks I've been baffled by popups in my Mozilla
Suite - I even ditched it and went with Firefox and Thunderbird - I
was still getting redirected (though Firebox still showed it was
blocking popups!?) Yeah, they were executing outside of the browser..

That's after running S&D and Webroot with consistant updates for well
over a year?

Well, the trojan also wacked my MS Taskmanager (I only have the center
portion, the list of process) so I tried the Sysinternal's task manager,
Processs Explorer and Hijack this...Nothing would eliminate the three
trojans. They were obvious in the Process Explorer and the Sysinternal
task manager - but both werre unable to eliminate the 'processs' (and
oddball .exe). I coudn't even terminate them, they'd bounce right back
on. One time it returned (the .exe) with an 'a' at the end of the name.

This morning I yanked ZA from the new machine - - , install the FREE
Avast and it immediately not only found the three trojans upon the
initial scan well, It couldn't remove them until a reboot scan. They
were in my System Restore files so they're history. (Like I needed an
infected 'restore'?!?)

I can't believe S&D, Webroot AND ZA has been missing these
[Win32:Qoologic-B and D].

So? I guess I'll stick with Avast. My only concers is whether the ZA
Firewall is any good!

Slip Kid wrote:
> After using Zone Alarm as both a firewall and AV for years? I
> installed the free Avast AV on an old machine (ZA wouldn't uninstall
> to accept an update and I ditched it)
[...]
> I can't believe S&D, Webroot AND ZA has been missing these
> [Win32:Qoologic-B and D].

None of the apps you've mentioned are anti-virus. Firewalls control
traffic. They don't detect malware. You've been running without an
antivirus, 'til now. Now you're running without a firewall. You need
both.

--
Mark Warner
lose .inhibitions when replying

Slip Kid <G-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:dh7ce.137100$(E-Mail Removed):

> So? I guess I'll stick with Avast. My only concers is whether the ZA
> Firewall is any good!

Do some research and learn what a firewall is for. It does NOT block
Trojans, since malware is installed by trusted apps.

If you were running Mozilla, how in the world did you get the Trojans to
begin with, unless you gave your permission for them to be installed.

There is no software in the world that can protect an uneducated user from
himself.

--
"No sports writers were harmed during the making of this post. And what I
want to know is - why not?"

Slip Kid wrote:
> After using Zone Alarm as both a firewall and AV for years? I
> installed the free Avast AV on an old machine (ZA wouldn't uninstall
> to accept an update and I ditched it)
>
> Well, it immediately found and eliminated several trojans with the
> first scan with Avast which were around for nearly a year (I posted
> this a while back)
>
> For the past couple of weeks I've been baffled by popups in my Mozilla
> Suite - I even ditched it and went with Firefox and Thunderbird - I
> was still getting redirected (though Firebox still showed it was
> blocking popups!?) Yeah, they were executing outside of the browser..
>
> That's after running S&D and Webroot with consistant updates for well
> over a year?
>
> Well, the trojan also wacked my MS Taskmanager (I only have the center
> portion, the list of process) so I tried the Sysinternal's task
> manager, Processs Explorer and Hijack this...Nothing would eliminate
> the three trojans. They were obvious in the Process Explorer and the
> Sysinternal task manager - but both werre unable to eliminate the
> 'processs' (and oddball .exe). I coudn't even terminate them, they'd
> bounce right back on. One time it returned (the .exe) with an 'a' at
> the end of the name.
>
> This morning I yanked ZA from the new machine - - , install the FREE
> Avast and it immediately not only found the three trojans upon the
> initial scan well, It couldn't remove them until a reboot scan. They
> were in my System Restore files so they're history. (Like I needed an
> infected 'restore'?!?)
>
> I can't believe S&D, Webroot AND ZA has been missing these
> [Win32:Qoologic-B and D].
>
> So? I guess I'll stick with Avast. My only concers is whether the ZA
> Firewall is any good!

DOH!

--
He released government from the restraint of law.
____Lord Acton on Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527), George W. Bush, and
the Straussian neocons

Ellis_Jay

elaich wrote:
> Slip Kid <G-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> news:dh7ce.137100$(E-Mail Removed):
>
>
>>So? I guess I'll stick with Avast. My only concers is whether the ZA
>>Firewall is any good!
>
>
> Do some research and learn what a firewall is for. It does NOT block
> Trojans, since malware is installed by trusted apps.
>
> If you were running Mozilla, how in the world did you get the Trojans to
> begin with, unless you gave your permission for them to be installed.
>
> There is no software in the world that can protect an uneducated user from
> himself.
>

Um, where did I indicate a Firewall would have helped? Did I say that?
Did I write I expected a firewall to block trojans?

I recall writing that I used anti-virus (Zone Alarm AV?).

Yes, I wrote "After using Zone Alarm as both a firewall and AV for
years?" Perhaps you did not know Zone Alarm sells AV? I got daily
updates from them. Have you heard of Computer Associates
International, Inc.? They are more than a firewall company...

Yes, I did believe either S&D or ZA AV or Webroot or Xsoft would have
picked up that which their sights identified when I reported it?

Yep, type "Win32:Qoologic-D" in Google and see how many people are
willing to prevent, find and eradicate it. I had three versions...of
Win32:Qoologic. It was not found until...well, the Subject line explains
it...

In closing, I only expressed my concern that if Zone Alarm AV failed to
find (along with the other apps) that which Avast found upon install -
- well, I _wondered_ if their firewall is any better than the AV?

I'm running Outpost in another machine and it seems to be much more
cautious or suspicious than ZA. Yeah, I do know what a firewall should
do and what it cannot do.

As far as "how in the world..." - - easy! It appeared to be in an .exe
of some 'File Manager' clone. Near as I can tell it was opening casino
sites and tickle.com.

It 'escaped' when I executed the setup of the app. I doubt if Mozilla
would have been of much help if it was buried in the application which
was zipped?

No, I have no complaints about Mozilla and now that the buggers are gone
it is blocking popups, again. They weren't popups...it just seemed like
that as pages appeared as I was at a site. No, they were triggered
regardless at which I was at.

I may not be as expert as some? I tend to read for comprehension before
I insult.

So, I'm still curious...of all the apps I mentioned? Which should have
prevented or found or eliminated Win32:Qoologic-D? Is Avast the only
one? As it's anti-virus - - I thought I had that covered with ZA AV...

Slip Kid wrote:
> elaich wrote:
>> Slip Kid <G-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> news:dh7ce.137100$(E-Mail Removed):
>
> So, I'm still curious...of all the apps I mentioned? Which should
> have prevented or found or eliminated Win32:Qoologic-D? Is Avast the
> only one? As it's anti-virus - - I thought I had that covered with
> ZA AV...

It is said, "Ain't no one dog put on no show". Run one AV, but disable it
while you run others from on-line or you have in storage. McAfee Stinger is
a good one, so is Housecall and A-squared and Ewido and there are some
others as well.

--
He released government from the restraint of law.
____Lord Acton on Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527), George W. Bush, and
the Straussian neocons

Ellis_Jay

Slip Kid <G-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:qKgce.665359$(E-Mail Removed):

> Yes, I wrote "After using Zone Alarm as both a firewall and AV for
> years?"

After rereading your original post, I do see that.

>Perhaps you did not know Zone Alarm sells AV?

No, I did not. I've never seen anybody refer to Zone Alarm AV in this
group, or any other. When someone says Zone Alarm, my first and only
thought is of a firewall. Not a very good one, either.



--
"No sports writers were harmed during the making of this post. And what I
want to know is - why not?"

Slip Kid wrote:
> After using Zone Alarm as both a firewall and AV for years? I installed
> the free Avast AV on an old machine (ZA wouldn't uninstall to accept an
> update and I ditched it)
>
> Well, it immediately found and eliminated several trojans with the first
> scan with Avast which were around for nearly a year (I posted this a
> while back)
>
> For the past couple of weeks I've been baffled by popups in my Mozilla
> Suite - I even ditched it and went with Firefox and Thunderbird - I
> was still getting redirected (though Firebox still showed it was
> blocking popups!?) Yeah, they were executing outside of the browser..
>
> That's after running S&D and Webroot with consistant updates for well
> over a year?
>
> Well, the trojan also wacked my MS Taskmanager (I only have the center
> portion, the list of process) so I tried the Sysinternal's task manager,
> Processs Explorer and Hijack this...Nothing would eliminate the three
> trojans. They were obvious in the Process Explorer and the Sysinternal
> task manager - but both werre unable to eliminate the 'processs' (and
> oddball .exe). I coudn't even terminate them, they'd bounce right back
> on. One time it returned (the .exe) with an 'a' at the end of the name.
>
> This morning I yanked ZA from the new machine - - , install the FREE
> Avast and it immediately not only found the three trojans upon the
> initial scan well, It couldn't remove them until a reboot scan. They
> were in my System Restore files so they're history. (Like I needed an
> infected 'restore'?!?)
>
> I can't believe S&D, Webroot AND ZA has been missing these
> [Win32:Qoologic-B and D].
>
> So? I guess I'll stick with Avast. My only concers is whether the ZA
> Firewall is any good!
I use "Sygate Personal Firewall Pro" and "Avast Anti-virus".
Plus the usual: AdAware SE Pro, SpyBotSD, SpyWareBlaster, and HiJackThis.
All help to stop and prevent virus, trojan, malware, spyware, and
reportware infections.

--Looker007

ellis_jay wrote:
> Slip Kid wrote:
>
>>elaich wrote:
>>
>>>Slip Kid <G-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>>>news:dh7ce.137100$(E-Mail Removed):
>>
>>So, I'm still curious...of all the apps I mentioned? Which should
>>have prevented or found or eliminated Win32:Qoologic-D? Is Avast the
>>only one? As it's anti-virus - - I thought I had that covered with
>>ZA AV...
>
>
> It is said, "Ain't no one dog put on no show". Run one AV, but disable it
> while you run others from on-line or you have in storage. McAfee Stinger is
> a good one, so is Housecall and A-squared and Ewido and there are some
> others as well.
>

Ok, some confusion?

I run/ran one "AV". CA's EZ AV (The Zone Alarm FW/AV combo). Sorry, I
was confusing in calling it Zone Alarm, it is their AV combo with the
firewall. I now that that either was very good. It came free with an MS
SP. I'd run several stand alone firewall and AV apps for years, it seem
easier to go with this package - not good in retrospect.

I also kept/keep S&D for a resident anti hijacker, et al, and whatever
non *viral* guests it is supposed to protect against. In two decades I
was never a victim of a virus but began to see other intruders a few
years ago.

First, I thought S&D was *not* doing the same as an AV and was in fact
blicking and/or finding that which the AV was not. Are you suggesting
one should not run any defense at the same time one is running an AV app?

Plus, I like the notification S&D gave when my registry was changed.
(However, the trojan *did* change the registry without notice). Yes,
I've run a start-up monitor? But as I thought S&D was also catching
intruders an AV program would not, I didn't need a double-notification
each time my registry was changed.

So? There seems to be lack of clarity concerning *which* apps are
necessary and which are compatable. That is, I have not seen any
suggestion that S&D cannot be run in resident mode if one runs an AV?

No offense, but I tend to be suspect when one speaks in absolutes. OK,
I buy the "no one dog" line...then you seem to suggest limiting the use
of a single AV (with no mention which AV app is broad enough to protect
against various invasions) yet are quick to single out four AV apps?

What good is it to run a single app (and allow various invaders in?)
then shut it down and hope a scan can find and eliminate whatever the
sole defender missed?

I've done much research and it is far from clear that any single
resident app is sufficent to keep one protected. Again, it depends on
one's terminology and I agree and only use a single AV. But I'm not
certain your suggestion that a single app in (running in the background)
is wise.

My post was a compliment to Avast - - It seemed to be effective in
finding and eliminating more than several other applications did not.

ellis_jay wrote:
> Slip Kid wrote:
>
>>After using Zone Alarm as both a firewall and AV for years? I
>>installed the free Avast AV on an old machine (ZA wouldn't uninstall
>>to accept an update and I ditched it)
>>
>>Well, it immediately found and eliminated several trojans with the
>>first scan with Avast which were around for nearly a year (I posted
>>this a while back)
>>
>>For the past couple of weeks I've been baffled by popups in my Mozilla
>>Suite - I even ditched it and went with Firefox and Thunderbird - I
>>was still getting redirected (though Firebox still showed it was
>>blocking popups!?) Yeah, they were executing outside of the browser..
>>
>>That's after running S&D and Webroot with consistant updates for well
>>over a year?
>>
>>Well, the trojan also wacked my MS Taskmanager (I only have the center
>>portion, the list of process) so I tried the Sysinternal's task
>>manager, Processs Explorer and Hijack this...Nothing would eliminate
>>the three trojans. They were obvious in the Process Explorer and the
>>Sysinternal task manager - but both werre unable to eliminate the
>>'processs' (and oddball .exe). I coudn't even terminate them, they'd
>>bounce right back on. One time it returned (the .exe) with an 'a' at
>>the end of the name.
>>
>>This morning I yanked ZA from the new machine - - , install the FREE
>>Avast and it immediately not only found the three trojans upon the
>>initial scan well, It couldn't remove them until a reboot scan. They
>>were in my System Restore files so they're history. (Like I needed an
>>infected 'restore'?!?)
>>
>>I can't believe S&D, Webroot AND ZA has been missing these
>>[Win32:Qoologic-B and D].
>>
>>So? I guess I'll stick with Avast. My only concers is whether the ZA
>>Firewall is any good!
>
>
> DOH!
>

Concise but a bit less than profound.

You might have a bit a trouble now that the SAT's went to the essay
format. Could you explain yourself in a sentence or four?