Hello List,


I was searching for a two days for a solution but my knowledge is to little to
be suer so I would be happy for a advice




two years ago i install a boot manger , i like it because it looks nice but even
in the installation it killed one of my partition


so I'll never touch it again and let it on my system because i was afraid that it
kill another partition


monday i wanted to copy my raid to a new hd and it all went fine except the next
day the hd was not found and was labeled as 'hidden hpfs'

i remembered that the same was happen last time to the partition which was killed
and so it must be the boot manager which made this




i try the standard things FIXBOOT was able to say me that the boot sector was
wrong and it will fix it BUT IT MAKE A FAT BOOT SECTOR but i was in fact NTFS


-now i definitely had enough and kill the boot manager, make a fixmbr and was
praying that not much was killed and hallelujah everything was fine, excerpt the
new hd which no shows as fat and i have the bad feeling that if i dint make the
bootfix first it would also be running

so my question -is the data on it totally lost, no change to make make the
bootfix undone?


and the second -why was the bootmanager interfere with this HD? -is that
normal?!?



thank for your patience
adrian

"Adrian A." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> monday i wanted to copy my raid to a new hd and it all went fine except
the next
> day the hd was not found and was labeled as 'hidden hpfs'
>

*What* lists it as hidden HPFS? Was it a PowerQuest program? If it was:

This can be caused by 2 things:

- The boot sector for an NTFS partition is damaged
- The partition table contains an entry pointing to an NTFS partition, but
it's pointing to the wrong place

> i remembered that the same was happen last time to the partition which was
killed
> and so it must be the boot manager which made this

But you did not use that anymore?

>
> i try the standard things FIXBOOT was able to say me that the boot
sector was
> wrong and it will fix it BUT IT MAKE A FAT BOOT SECTOR but i was in fact
NTFS
>

But did or didn't you have it 'fix' it?

>
> -now i definitely had enough and kill the boot manager, make a fixmbr
and was
> praying that not much was killed and hallelujah everything was fine,
excerpt the
> new hd which no shows as fat and i have the bad feeling that if i dint
make the
> bootfix first it would also be running

Aha, so it seems you did ... Well, I have seen this quite often (Fixboot
screwing up an NTFS partition by writing a FAT boot sector onto it), and
often it is fixable by copying the NTFS backup boot sector on top of the FAT
boot sector. It also requires the partition table to be edited to change the
partition back to NTFS, plus probably the size needs adjustment.

>
> so my question -is the data on it totally lost, no change to make
make the
> bootfix undone?
>
>
> and the second -why was the bootmanager interfere with this
HD? -is that
> normal?!?

No of course it is not normal, still you didn't even mention *what* boot
manager ...

Kind regards,
Joep

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"Joep" <j o e p @ d i y d a t a r e c o v e r y . n l> wrote in message news:e3860$3f9f95bd$3eddca68$(E-Mail Removed)
> "Adrian A." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > monday i wanted to copy my raid to a new hd and it all went fine except the next
> > day the hd was not found and was labeled as 'hidden hpfs'
> >
>
> *What* lists it as hidden HPFS? Was it a PowerQuest program? If it was:
>
> This can be caused by 2 things:
>
> - The boot sector for an NTFS partition is damaged
> - The partition table contains an entry pointing to an NTFS partition, but
> it's pointing to the wrong place

How about just what it says:
labeled as type 'hidden hpfs' (17h, hidden IFS (NTFS/HPFS))

>
> > i remembered that the same was happen last time to the partition which was killed
> > and so it must be the boot manager which made this
>
> But you did not use that anymore?
>
> >
> > i try the standard things FIXBOOT was able to say me that the boot sector was
> > wrong and it will fix it BUT IT MAKE A FAT BOOT SECTOR but i was in fact NTFS
> >
>
> But did or didn't you have it 'fix' it?
>
> >
> > -now i definitely had enough and kill the boot manager, make a fixmbr and was
> > praying that not much was killed and hallelujah everything was fine, excerpt the
> > new hd which no shows as fat and i have the bad feeling that if i dint make the
> > bootfix first it would also be running
>
> Aha, so it seems you did ... Well, I have seen this quite often (Fixboot
> screwing up an NTFS partition by writing a FAT boot sector onto it), and
> often it is fixable by copying the NTFS backup boot sector on top of the FAT
> boot sector. It also requires the partition table to be edited to change the
> partition back to NTFS, plus probably the size needs adjustment.
>
> >
> > so my question -is the data on it totally lost, no change to make make the
> > bootfix undone?
> >
> >
> > and the second -why was the bootmanager interfere with this HD? -is that
> > normal?!?
>
> No of course it is not normal, still you didn't even mention *what* bootmanager ...
>
> Kind regards,
> Joep

"Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:bnpdb9$13l3ea$(E-Mail Removed)...

>
> How about just what it says:
> labeled as type 'hidden hpfs' (17h, hidden IFS (NTFS/HPFS))
>

Woow F'Nut, that's a *good* one, I'll give you that! Still, then I'd be
interested in *what* displays it as HPFS. PQ products labeling it as HPFS
means, they've checked the boot sector and didn't find the NTFS string.

Anyway Fixboot screwed up anyway.

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"Joep" <j o e p @ d i y d a t a r e c o v e r y . n l> wrote in message
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I appologize, I will stop using the stupid F' ... joke.

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Good morning Joep,



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insert after writing

i should have next time a closer look to other peoples signature especially
when
the so useful as yours - iRecovery is a great Program and next time when
such a
thing happen i will buy one, instead going to a friends workplace, where
they
have easy recovery pro, which seems not of more use in such a situation
but a
little more expensive

-I already formatted the bad NTFS volume, so i can not say which of
them get
more date, but from a look at the program i would say they'll do both the
same
good job

__________________


>> monday i wanted to copy my raid to a new hd and it all went fine except the
>> next day the hd was not found and was labeled as 'hidden hpfs'
>>
>
> *What* lists it as hidden HPFS? Was it a PowerQuest program? If it was:
>
> This can be caused by 2 things:
>
> - The boot sector for an NTFS partition is damaged
> - The partition table contains an entry pointing to an NTFS partition, but
> it's pointing to the wrong place


Yes you guess right, it was in fact the Partition Magic 7 which i had left
on my
drive from the last time, when a whole partition disappeared


I'm pretty sure that its the partition table which was screwed up by the
boot
manager, because after fixmbr the partition was shown right in place but
with
the screwed fixboot bootsector it was a little of a Phyrrusvictory


i try to fix it with PTEDIT32 which came with PM but only changing the
type of
the partition seems a little to easy

___________________

and again a insert

i think the whole story would be ended here when im using iRecovery,
because it
seems that program is smart enough to do such things

___________________



>
>> i remembered that the same was happen last time to the partition which was
>> killed and so it must be the boot manager which made this
>
> But you did not use that anymore?
>

yes yesterday i deinstall it and after deinstalling i had to made a
fixmbr to
get access to windows

(the deinstallation routine seems a little wacky



>>
>> i try the standard things FIXBOOT was able to say me that the boot sector was
>> wrong and it will fix it BUT IT MAKE A FAT BOOT SECTOR but i was in fact NTFS
>>
>
> But did or didn't you have it 'fix' it?
>

see below

>>
>> -now i definitely had enough and kill the boot manager, make a fixmbr and was
>> praying that not much was killed and hallelujah everything was fine, excerpt
>> the new hd which no shows as fat and i have the bad feeling that if i dint
>> make the bootfix first it would also be running
>
> Aha, so it seems you did ...

*gg* again you guess right

> Well, I have seen this quite often (Fixboot
> screwing up an NTFS partition by writing a FAT boot sector onto it), and
> often it is fixable by copying the NTFS backup boot sector on top of the FAT
> boot sector. It also requires the partition table to be edited to change the
> partition back to NTFS, plus probably the size needs adjustment.
>


it seems good to have a backup of the boot sector -like in old days

I take a look at Partition Magic, if it has this function and will make
one,
because you never know

the 160 GB NTFS partition had with the FAT boot sector a gigantic capacity
of 12
MB, but that sure because of the FAT32 limitation



but for now i decide that it take to long to change the partition
table and
because i had no backup up of the boot sector it seems also not helpful

i took the hd and drive to a friend which had in his workplace 'easy
recovery
pro' and with this it was easy to get the data from the ntfs partition
back,
because the program is so smart that you can say him that its a ntfs
partition


___________

but not smart enough to remake the partition table

_________


so now i finaley was able to format the hd and after tree days i
hoppefully be
able to copy my datea to there new home

-the friend back there in the workplace also says its a foolish idea to
copy the
date via dos/directory opus, but i want this time only one partition and i
think
i remember how secure it is to merge partitions with Partition Magic




>>
>> so my question -is the data on it totally lost, no change to make make the
>> bootfix undone?
>>
>>
>> and the second -why was the bootmanager interfere with this HD? -is that
>> normal?!?
>
> No of course it is not normal, still you didn't even mention *what* boot
> manager ...
>


*gg* your right, i wanted first mention it but before i install it, i
had the
boot manager from suse which was on linux 7.2 running and it can also be
that
program screwed up the boot manager because at this time suse 7.2 was
brand new
and i don't know how gut it deinstall itself



its System Commander 7 its a deluxe tool, which was designed to make
partition
and install OS with it, but maybe it's getting angry with me -I never
used it
any more and made everything with bare hand


have a great time
adrian