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I am wondering if it is possible to center a layer on a web page in a way
akin to centering a table. I would like my layer to center in the browser window regardless of the screen resolution used by the site visitor. Also, I am wondering what the arguments are, pro and con, for using layers versus using tables in a web site design. Thanks. Eric |
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> regardless of the screen resolution used by the site visitor
Resolution only determines the maximum practical browser viewport width. Beyond that, it has no relationship to 'centering' in the browser. > Also, I am wondering what the arguments are, pro and con, for using layers > versus using tables in a web site design. It's not a versus thing. Use both together if it works for your needs. But you need to know these three very important things - 1. Never put a layer into a table - putting tables into layers is OK, but not percent width tables, and not if the layer is not flush with the left margin (i.e., left="0"). 2. Do not put text content into layers (even when it's in tables) because if the text is resized in the browser by the visitor, the layer will expand vertically and overlap other page content. 3. Understand that layers are absolutely positioned and tables are able to center aligned - this means that the tables can move within the browser viewport, while the layers (without some other treatment) are fixed absolutely to the screen, and will not move. Now - having said that, you can cause 'layers' to center easily by placing their frame of reference for positioning inside an element that is a centering element. This is easy to do as follows - Change this - </head> to this - <style type="text/css"> <!-- body { text-align:center; color:#CCC; } #wrapper { text-align:left; width:720px; margin:0 auto;position:relative; } --> </style> </head> change this - <body ...> to this - <body ...> <div id="wrapper"> and this - </body> to this - </div><!-- /wrapper --> </body> and see if that helps. -- Murray ============ "Eric in New York" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:%23YD$(E-Mail Removed)... >I am wondering if it is possible to center a layer on a web page in a way >akin to centering a table. I would like my layer to center in the browser >window regardless of the screen resolution used by the site visitor. Also, >I am wondering what the arguments are, pro and con, for using layers versus >using tables in a web site design. > > Thanks. > > Eric > |
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Wow, quite involved. I'm moving towards tables based on what you've
written. What I was trying to say in my pervious post was that I want my content to center on the screen regardless of resolution. I can 'draw' a layer (or table) in the center of my design window so that it is centered but if I display at a another resolution it moves to the left or right of the window. I'm trying to avoid this and it sounds like tables is the way to go. Which then begs the questions.... what are layers for, especially if one shouldn't put text into them? One more thing if you will indulge me... that CSS code would go where? In the style sheet for the site? Apologies for being so dense, I've had FP for all of three days. Eric "Murray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:%(E-Mail Removed)... >> regardless of the screen resolution used by the site visitor > > Resolution only determines the maximum practical browser viewport width. > Beyond that, it has no relationship to 'centering' in the browser. > >> Also, I am wondering what the arguments are, pro and con, for using >> layers versus using tables in a web site design. > > It's not a versus thing. Use both together if it works for your needs. > But you need to know these three very important things - > > 1. Never put a layer into a table - putting tables into layers is OK, but > not percent width tables, and not if the layer is not flush with the left > margin (i.e., left="0"). > 2. Do not put text content into layers (even when it's in tables) because > if the text is resized in the browser by the visitor, the layer will > expand vertically and overlap other page content. > 3. Understand that layers are absolutely positioned and tables are able > to center aligned - this means that the tables can move within the browser > viewport, while the layers (without some other treatment) are fixed > absolutely to the screen, and will not move. > > Now - having said that, you can cause 'layers' to center easily by placing > their frame of reference for positioning inside an element that is a > centering element. This is easy to do as follows - > > Change this - > > </head> > > to this - > > <style type="text/css"> > <!-- > body { text-align:center; color:#CCC; } > #wrapper { text-align:left; width:720px; margin:0 > auto;position:relative; } > --> > </style> > </head> > > change this - > > <body ...> > > to this - > > <body ...> > <div id="wrapper"> > > and this - > > </body> > > to this - > > </div><!-- /wrapper --> > </body> > > and see if that helps. > > > -- > Murray > ============ > > "Eric in New York" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news:%23YD$(E-Mail Removed)... >>I am wondering if it is possible to center a layer on a web page in a way >>akin to centering a table. I would like my layer to center in the browser >>window regardless of the screen resolution used by the site visitor. >>Also, I am wondering what the arguments are, pro and con, for using layers >>versus using tables in a web site design. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Eric >> > > |
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> content to center on the screen regardless of resolution.
And what I was trying to say is that resolution has nothign to do with anything OTHER than how wide/tall you can make your browser window. I can tell you that my resolution is 1600x1280, but you have no idea how wide my browser window is. That's the point. > what are layers for, especially if one shouldn't put text into them? Many things - like drop-down, pop-up, fly-out menus, or animating graphics, or sliding things around on the screen, or lots of other stuff. But a layout methodology that is based on the ease of positioning of layers on the screen is doomed. > I'm trying to avoid this and it sounds like tables is the way to go. If you are not skilled with HTML, it may well be. > One more thing if you will indulge me... that CSS code would go where? In > the style sheet for the site? I told you exactly where to make the changes. Did you follow that? -- Murray ============ "Eric in New York" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)... > Wow, quite involved. I'm moving towards tables based on what you've > written. What I was trying to say in my pervious post was that I want my > content to center on the screen regardless of resolution. I can 'draw' a > layer (or table) in the center of my design window so that it is centered > but if I display at a another resolution it moves to the left or right of > the window. I'm trying to avoid this and it sounds like tables is the way > to go. Which then begs the questions.... what are layers for, especially > if one shouldn't put text into them? > > One more thing if you will indulge me... that CSS code would go where? In > the style sheet for the site? > > Apologies for being so dense, I've had FP for all of three days. > > Eric > > > "Murray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news:%(E-Mail Removed)... >>> regardless of the screen resolution used by the site visitor >> >> Resolution only determines the maximum practical browser viewport width. >> Beyond that, it has no relationship to 'centering' in the browser. >> >>> Also, I am wondering what the arguments are, pro and con, for using >>> layers versus using tables in a web site design. >> >> It's not a versus thing. Use both together if it works for your needs. >> But you need to know these three very important things - >> >> 1. Never put a layer into a table - putting tables into layers is OK, >> but not percent width tables, and not if the layer is not flush with the >> left margin (i.e., left="0"). >> 2. Do not put text content into layers (even when it's in tables) >> because if the text is resized in the browser by the visitor, the layer >> will expand vertically and overlap other page content. >> 3. Understand that layers are absolutely positioned and tables are able >> to center aligned - this means that the tables can move within the >> browser viewport, while the layers (without some other treatment) are >> fixed absolutely to the screen, and will not move. >> >> Now - having said that, you can cause 'layers' to center easily by >> placing their frame of reference for positioning inside an element that >> is a centering element. This is easy to do as follows - >> >> Change this - >> >> </head> >> >> to this - >> >> <style type="text/css"> >> <!-- >> body { text-align:center; color:#CCC; } >> #wrapper { text-align:left; width:720px; margin:0 >> auto;position:relative; } >> --> >> </style> >> </head> >> >> change this - >> >> <body ...> >> >> to this - >> >> <body ...> >> <div id="wrapper"> >> >> and this - >> >> </body> >> >> to this - >> >> </div><!-- /wrapper --> >> </body> >> >> and see if that helps. >> >> >> -- >> Murray >> ============ >> >> "Eric in New York" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >> news:%23YD$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>I am wondering if it is possible to center a layer on a web page in a >>>way akin to centering a table. I would like my layer to center in the >>>browser window regardless of the screen resolution used by the site >>>visitor. Also, I am wondering what the arguments are, pro and con, for >>>using layers versus using tables in a web site design. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Eric >>> >> >> > > |
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I followed what needed to be changed but was not sure where those tags need
to be changed. Are you saying I need to change them 'inside a centering element'? A centering element is, for example, a table? BTW, I appreciate your advice about using layers for layout purposes. I recently bought a 'Frontpage Savvy' book which seems to recommend doing just that. I think your points are well taken however and will stick with tables. The author of this volume argues that tables are harder for web crawlers to parse although perhaps there are other ways to get your site noticed by indexing programs. Thanks again. EG "Murray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:%(E-Mail Removed)... >> content to center on the screen regardless of resolution. > > And what I was trying to say is that resolution has nothign to do with > anything OTHER than how wide/tall you can make your browser window. I can > tell you that my resolution is 1600x1280, but you have no idea how wide my > browser window is. That's the point. > >> what are layers for, especially if one shouldn't put text into them? > > Many things - like drop-down, pop-up, fly-out menus, or animating > graphics, or sliding things around on the screen, or lots of other stuff. > But a layout methodology that is based on the ease of positioning of > layers on the screen is doomed. > >> I'm trying to avoid this and it sounds like tables is the way to go. > > If you are not skilled with HTML, it may well be. > >> One more thing if you will indulge me... that CSS code would go where? >> In the style sheet for the site? > > I told you exactly where to make the changes. Did you follow that? > > -- > Murray > ============ > > "Eric in New York" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news:(E-Mail Removed)... >> Wow, quite involved. I'm moving towards tables based on what you've >> written. What I was trying to say in my pervious post was that I want my >> content to center on the screen regardless of resolution. I can 'draw' a >> layer (or table) in the center of my design window so that it is centered >> but if I display at a another resolution it moves to the left or right of >> the window. I'm trying to avoid this and it sounds like tables is the >> way to go. Which then begs the questions.... what are layers for, >> especially if one shouldn't put text into them? >> >> One more thing if you will indulge me... that CSS code would go where? >> In the style sheet for the site? >> >> Apologies for being so dense, I've had FP for all of three days. >> >> Eric >> >> >> "Murray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >> news:%(E-Mail Removed)... >>>> regardless of the screen resolution used by the site visitor >>> >>> Resolution only determines the maximum practical browser viewport width. >>> Beyond that, it has no relationship to 'centering' in the browser. >>> >>>> Also, I am wondering what the arguments are, pro and con, for using >>>> layers versus using tables in a web site design. >>> >>> It's not a versus thing. Use both together if it works for your needs. >>> But you need to know these three very important things - >>> >>> 1. Never put a layer into a table - putting tables into layers is OK, >>> but not percent width tables, and not if the layer is not flush with the >>> left margin (i.e., left="0"). >>> 2. Do not put text content into layers (even when it's in tables) >>> because if the text is resized in the browser by the visitor, the layer >>> will expand vertically and overlap other page content. >>> 3. Understand that layers are absolutely positioned and tables are able >>> to center aligned - this means that the tables can move within the >>> browser viewport, while the layers (without some other treatment) are >>> fixed absolutely to the screen, and will not move. >>> >>> Now - having said that, you can cause 'layers' to center easily by >>> placing their frame of reference for positioning inside an element that >>> is a centering element. This is easy to do as follows - >>> >>> Change this - >>> >>> </head> >>> >>> to this - >>> >>> <style type="text/css"> >>> <!-- >>> body { text-align:center; color:#CCC; } >>> #wrapper { text-align:left; width:720px; margin:0 >>> auto;position:relative; } >>> --> >>> </style> >>> </head> >>> >>> change this - >>> >>> <body ...> >>> >>> to this - >>> >>> <body ...> >>> <div id="wrapper"> >>> >>> and this - >>> >>> </body> >>> >>> to this - >>> >>> </div><!-- /wrapper --> >>> </body> >>> >>> and see if that helps. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Murray >>> ============ >>> >>> "Eric in New York" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>> news:%23YD$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>>I am wondering if it is possible to center a layer on a web page in a >>>>way akin to centering a table. I would like my layer to center in the >>>>browser window regardless of the screen resolution used by the site >>>>visitor. Also, I am wondering what the arguments are, pro and con, for >>>>using layers versus using tables in a web site design. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
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> The author of this volume argues that tables are harder for web crawlers
> to parse That's as misinformed as the recommendation to use layers for layout is. > perhaps there are other ways to get your site noticed by indexing > programs. There certainly are. >I followed what needed to be changed but was not sure where those tags need >to be changed. Are you saying I need to change them 'inside a centering >element'? A centering element is, for example, a table? OK - I have a page: <html> <head> <title>whatever</title> </head> <body> </body> <html> and I want to make it center align - even if I happen to put layers on it. So, I change the page's markup to this - <html> <head> <title>whatever</title> <style type="text/css"> <!-- body { text-align:center; } /* for IE5x */ #wrapper { text-align:left; width:760px; position:relative; margin:0 auto; } --> </style> </head> <body> <div id="wrapper"> <!-- Everything else on your page goes here inside this div --> </div> </body> <html> And build the rest of the page inside the wrapper div. Does that help you understand? -- Murray ============ "Eric in New York" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)... >I followed what needed to be changed but was not sure where those tags need >to be changed. Are you saying I need to change them 'inside a centering >element'? A centering element is, for example, a table? > > BTW, I appreciate your advice about using layers for layout purposes. I > recently bought a 'Frontpage Savvy' book which seems to recommend doing > just that. I think your points are well taken however and will stick with > tables. The author of this volume argues that tables are harder for web > crawlers to parse although perhaps there are other ways to get your site > noticed by indexing programs. > > Thanks again. > > EG > > > "Murray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news:%(E-Mail Removed)... >>> content to center on the screen regardless of resolution. >> >> And what I was trying to say is that resolution has nothign to do with >> anything OTHER than how wide/tall you can make your browser window. I >> can tell you that my resolution is 1600x1280, but you have no idea how >> wide my browser window is. That's the point. >> >>> what are layers for, especially if one shouldn't put text into them? >> >> Many things - like drop-down, pop-up, fly-out menus, or animating >> graphics, or sliding things around on the screen, or lots of other stuff. >> But a layout methodology that is based on the ease of positioning of >> layers on the screen is doomed. >> >>> I'm trying to avoid this and it sounds like tables is the way to go. >> >> If you are not skilled with HTML, it may well be. >> >>> One more thing if you will indulge me... that CSS code would go where? >>> In the style sheet for the site? >> >> I told you exactly where to make the changes. Did you follow that? >> >> -- >> Murray >> ============ >> >> "Eric in New York" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >> news:(E-Mail Removed)... >>> Wow, quite involved. I'm moving towards tables based on what you've >>> written. What I was trying to say in my pervious post was that I want >>> my content to center on the screen regardless of resolution. I can >>> 'draw' a layer (or table) in the center of my design window so that it >>> is centered but if I display at a another resolution it moves to the >>> left or right of the window. I'm trying to avoid this and it sounds >>> like tables is the way to go. Which then begs the questions.... what >>> are layers for, especially if one shouldn't put text into them? >>> >>> One more thing if you will indulge me... that CSS code would go where? >>> In the style sheet for the site? >>> >>> Apologies for being so dense, I've had FP for all of three days. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> >>> "Murray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)... >>>>> regardless of the screen resolution used by the site visitor >>>> >>>> Resolution only determines the maximum practical browser viewport >>>> width. Beyond that, it has no relationship to 'centering' in the >>>> browser. >>>> >>>>> Also, I am wondering what the arguments are, pro and con, for using >>>>> layers versus using tables in a web site design. >>>> >>>> It's not a versus thing. Use both together if it works for your needs. >>>> But you need to know these three very important things - >>>> >>>> 1. Never put a layer into a table - putting tables into layers is OK, >>>> but not percent width tables, and not if the layer is not flush with >>>> the left margin (i.e., left="0"). >>>> 2. Do not put text content into layers (even when it's in tables) >>>> because if the text is resized in the browser by the visitor, the layer >>>> will expand vertically and overlap other page content. >>>> 3. Understand that layers are absolutely positioned and tables are >>>> able to center aligned - this means that the tables can move within the >>>> browser viewport, while the layers (without some other treatment) are >>>> fixed absolutely to the screen, and will not move. >>>> >>>> Now - having said that, you can cause 'layers' to center easily by >>>> placing their frame of reference for positioning inside an element that >>>> is a centering element. This is easy to do as follows - >>>> >>>> Change this - >>>> >>>> </head> >>>> >>>> to this - >>>> >>>> <style type="text/css"> >>>> <!-- >>>> body { text-align:center; color:#CCC; } >>>> #wrapper { text-align:left; width:720px; margin:0 >>>> auto;position:relative; } >>>> --> >>>> </style> >>>> </head> >>>> >>>> change this - >>>> >>>> <body ...> >>>> >>>> to this - >>>> >>>> <body ...> >>>> <div id="wrapper"> >>>> >>>> and this - >>>> >>>> </body> >>>> >>>> to this - >>>> >>>> </div><!-- /wrapper --> >>>> </body> >>>> >>>> and see if that helps. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Murray >>>> ============ >>>> >>>> "Eric in New York" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>>> news:%23YD$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>>>I am wondering if it is possible to center a layer on a web page in a >>>>>way akin to centering a table. I would like my layer to center in the >>>>>browser window regardless of the screen resolution used by the site >>>>>visitor. Also, I am wondering what the arguments are, pro and con, for >>>>>using layers versus using tables in a web site design. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Eric >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
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Yes, thanks.
Eric "Murray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)... >> The author of this volume argues that tables are harder for web crawlers >> to parse > > That's as misinformed as the recommendation to use layers for layout is. > >> perhaps there are other ways to get your site noticed by indexing >> programs. > > There certainly are. > >>I followed what needed to be changed but was not sure where those tags >>need to be changed. Are you saying I need to change them 'inside a >>centering element'? A centering element is, for example, a table? > > OK - I have a page: > > <html> > <head> > <title>whatever</title> > </head> > <body> > </body> > <html> > > and I want to make it center align - even if I happen to put layers on it. > So, I change the page's markup to this - > > <html> > <head> > <title>whatever</title> > <style type="text/css"> > <!-- > body { text-align:center; } /* for IE5x */ > #wrapper { text-align:left; width:760px; position:relative; margin:0 > auto; } > --> > </style> > </head> > <body> > <div id="wrapper"> > <!-- Everything else on your page goes here inside this div --> > </div> > </body> > <html> > > And build the rest of the page inside the wrapper div. Does that help you > understand? > > > -- > Murray > ============ > > "Eric in New York" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news:(E-Mail Removed)... >>I followed what needed to be changed but was not sure where those tags >>need to be changed. Are you saying I need to change them 'inside a >>centering element'? A centering element is, for example, a table? >> >> BTW, I appreciate your advice about using layers for layout purposes. I >> recently bought a 'Frontpage Savvy' book which seems to recommend doing >> just that. I think your points are well taken however and will stick >> with tables. The author of this volume argues that tables are harder for >> web crawlers to parse although perhaps there are other ways to get your >> site noticed by indexing programs. >> >> Thanks again. >> >> EG >> >> >> "Murray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >> news:%(E-Mail Removed)... >>>> content to center on the screen regardless of resolution. >>> >>> And what I was trying to say is that resolution has nothign to do with >>> anything OTHER than how wide/tall you can make your browser window. I >>> can tell you that my resolution is 1600x1280, but you have no idea how >>> wide my browser window is. That's the point. >>> >>>> what are layers for, especially if one shouldn't put text into them? >>> >>> Many things - like drop-down, pop-up, fly-out menus, or animating >>> graphics, or sliding things around on the screen, or lots of other >>> stuff. But a layout methodology that is based on the ease of positioning >>> of layers on the screen is doomed. >>> >>>> I'm trying to avoid this and it sounds like tables is the way to go. >>> >>> If you are not skilled with HTML, it may well be. >>> >>>> One more thing if you will indulge me... that CSS code would go where? >>>> In the style sheet for the site? >>> >>> I told you exactly where to make the changes. Did you follow that? >>> >>> -- >>> Murray >>> ============ >>> >>> "Eric in New York" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>> news:(E-Mail Removed)... >>>> Wow, quite involved. I'm moving towards tables based on what you've >>>> written. What I was trying to say in my pervious post was that I want >>>> my content to center on the screen regardless of resolution. I can >>>> 'draw' a layer (or table) in the center of my design window so that it >>>> is centered but if I display at a another resolution it moves to the >>>> left or right of the window. I'm trying to avoid this and it sounds >>>> like tables is the way to go. Which then begs the questions.... what >>>> are layers for, especially if one shouldn't put text into them? >>>> >>>> One more thing if you will indulge me... that CSS code would go where? >>>> In the style sheet for the site? >>>> >>>> Apologies for being so dense, I've had FP for all of three days. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> >>>> "Murray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)... >>>>>> regardless of the screen resolution used by the site visitor >>>>> >>>>> Resolution only determines the maximum practical browser viewport >>>>> width. Beyond that, it has no relationship to 'centering' in the >>>>> browser. >>>>> >>>>>> Also, I am wondering what the arguments are, pro and con, for using >>>>>> layers versus using tables in a web site design. >>>>> >>>>> It's not a versus thing. Use both together if it works for your >>>>> needs. But you need to know these three very important things - >>>>> >>>>> 1. Never put a layer into a table - putting tables into layers is OK, >>>>> but not percent width tables, and not if the layer is not flush with >>>>> the left margin (i.e., left="0"). >>>>> 2. Do not put text content into layers (even when it's in tables) >>>>> because if the text is resized in the browser by the visitor, the >>>>> layer will expand vertically and overlap other page content. >>>>> 3. Understand that layers are absolutely positioned and tables are >>>>> able to center aligned - this means that the tables can move within >>>>> the browser viewport, while the layers (without some other treatment) >>>>> are fixed absolutely to the screen, and will not move. >>>>> >>>>> Now - having said that, you can cause 'layers' to center easily by >>>>> placing their frame of reference for positioning inside an element >>>>> that is a centering element. This is easy to do as follows - >>>>> >>>>> Change this - >>>>> >>>>> </head> >>>>> >>>>> to this - >>>>> >>>>> <style type="text/css"> >>>>> <!-- >>>>> body { text-align:center; color:#CCC; } >>>>> #wrapper { text-align:left; width:720px; margin:0 >>>>> auto;position:relative; } >>>>> --> >>>>> </style> >>>>> </head> >>>>> >>>>> change this - >>>>> >>>>> <body ...> >>>>> >>>>> to this - >>>>> >>>>> <body ...> >>>>> <div id="wrapper"> >>>>> >>>>> and this - >>>>> >>>>> </body> >>>>> >>>>> to this - >>>>> >>>>> </div><!-- /wrapper --> >>>>> </body> >>>>> >>>>> and see if that helps. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Murray >>>>> ============ >>>>> >>>>> "Eric in New York" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>>>> news:%23YD$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>>>>I am wondering if it is possible to center a layer on a web page in a >>>>>>way akin to centering a table. I would like my layer to center in the >>>>>>browser window regardless of the screen resolution used by the site >>>>>>visitor. Also, I am wondering what the arguments are, pro and con, for >>>>>>using layers versus using tables in a web site design. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Eric >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
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