I posted this question before but the only answer I got was to give
the cells a border and it would be obvious. They already had a border
and I still don't know why setting the vertical alignment on 'bottom'
or 'baseline' wouldn't make the text sit close to the bottom border.

I want to have a heading in a larger font and then related items below
in cells. When I view the page in IE 5.5 the heading looks as if it
belongs to the group above rather than below.

I am using FP2000.

Thanks,
Nancy

Sorry for dropping that, Nancy. Can you post the page's code again, please?

--
Murray

"N.Coffey" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>I posted this question before but the only answer I got was to give
> the cells a border and it would be obvious. They already had a border
> and I still don't know why setting the vertical alignment on 'bottom'
> or 'baseline' wouldn't make the text sit close to the bottom border.
>
> I want to have a heading in a larger font and then related items below
> in cells. When I view the page in IE 5.5 the heading looks as if it
> belongs to the group above rather than below.
>
> I am using FP2000.
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:36:57 UTC, "Murray"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Sorry for dropping that, Nancy. Can you post the page's code again, please?

I have posted the page at
http://www.timspartycentre.com/kirrabilli/linksnew.htm

The cell properties for all the headings are 'bottom' except for Dogs:
Clubs, which is 'baseline'.

Another page where I'm having the same effect is:
http://www.timspartycentre.com/kirrabilli/dogs.htm

Thanks for looking at this.

--
Nancy

Try getting rid of all the height attributes in you tables and cells, change
all the valign attributes to bottom, you've mixed widths with % & pixels,
you have colspans of 6 when only 3 columns are being spanned, and many
colspans of 2 which are completely unnecessary.

I would advise starting over. You have a real mess.

Bob Lehmann

"N.Coffey" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:36:57 UTC, "Murray"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > Sorry for dropping that, Nancy. Can you post the page's code again,
please?
>
> I have posted the page at
> http://www.timspartycentre.com/kirrabilli/linksnew.htm
>
> The cell properties for all the headings are 'bottom' except for Dogs:
> Clubs, which is 'baseline'.
>
> Another page where I'm having the same effect is:
> http://www.timspartycentre.com/kirrabilli/dogs.htm
>
> Thanks for looking at this.
>
> --
> Nancy

Your cell widths don't add up to what you have specified for a table width,
you are missing <tr> tags in some of your tables. Additionally, on the
height attributes... remove them from everything except the images.

Missing <tr> problem -
<table border="0" width="700">
<td valign="bottom" >
<div align="center">
&nbsp;
</div>
</table>

Cells not adding up problem -
Table - width="700"

Cells - width="96"
width="110"
width="82"
width="144"
width="146"

Cells add up to 578.

I tried fixing your page, but I'm afraid it's terminal. Best to put it out
of its misery. I've seen some pretty nasty HTML before, but this is really
something.

Bob Lehmann

"N.Coffey" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:36:57 UTC, "Murray"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > Sorry for dropping that, Nancy. Can you post the page's code again,
please?
>
> I have posted the page at
> http://www.timspartycentre.com/kirrabilli/linksnew.htm
>
> The cell properties for all the headings are 'bottom' except for Dogs:
> Clubs, which is 'baseline'.
>
> Another page where I'm having the same effect is:
> http://www.timspartycentre.com/kirrabilli/dogs.htm
>
> Thanks for looking at this.
>
> --
> Nancy

Yep. Good call, Bob. I would say the same....

--
Murray

"Bob Lehmann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:eP79$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Your cell widths don't add up to what you have specified for a table
> width,
> you are missing <tr> tags in some of your tables. Additionally, on the
> height attributes... remove them from everything except the images.
>
> Missing <tr> problem -
> <table border="0" width="700">
> <td valign="bottom" >
> <div align="center">
> &nbsp;
> </div>
> </table>
>
> Cells not adding up problem -
> Table - width="700"
>
> Cells - width="96"
> width="110"
> width="82"
> width="144"
> width="146"
>
> Cells add up to 578.
>
> I tried fixing your page, but I'm afraid it's terminal. Best to put it out
> of its misery. I've seen some pretty nasty HTML before, but this is really
> something.
>
> Bob Lehmann
>
> "N.Coffey" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:t2xTiiDWL9dE-pn2-OWvP5KBO4dXR@localhost...
>> On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:36:57 UTC, "Murray"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> > Sorry for dropping that, Nancy. Can you post the page's code again,
> please?
>>
>> I have posted the page at
>> http://www.timspartycentre.com/kirrabilli/linksnew.htm
>>
>> The cell properties for all the headings are 'bottom' except for Dogs:
>> Clubs, which is 'baseline'.
>>
>> Another page where I'm having the same effect is:
>> http://www.timspartycentre.com/kirrabilli/dogs.htm
>>
>> Thanks for looking at this.
>>
>> --
>> Nancy
>
>

"Bob Lehmann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:eP79$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I tried fixing your page, but I'm afraid it's terminal. Best to
>>put it out of its misery. I've seen some pretty nasty HTML before,
>>but this is really something.

"Murray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Yep. Good call, Bob. I would say the same....

Thank you for looking at it. I took it over from someone and I don't
know how it was made. However, I have now deleted the table and
started over from scratch, building the table in the WYSIWYG mode of
FP2000. Shouldn't that give me HTML without these problems?

The titles are still closer to the tops of the cells than the bottom.
http://www.timspartycentre.com/kirrabilli/linksnew.htm

Did you find the same problems on
http://www.timspartycentre.com/kirrabilli/dogs.htm ?

I started from scratch on that one and I'm having the same problem
with vertical cell alignment.

Would you mind looking at these two pages again and tell me if the
HTML is still terrible? And do you see anything that is still causing
my vertical alignment problems?

Thank you very much for your help.

--
Nancy

You've still got alot of the same problems. But the reason for the space is
the <h2>. These are block elements which will cause a space under them.

You could use CSS to size the font instead. Or, if the <h2> tags are being
used for accessibilty reasons, you could use css to change the margins on
them.

Bob Lehmann

"N.Coffey" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Bob Lehmann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:eP79$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> I tried fixing your page, but I'm afraid it's terminal. Best to
> >>put it out of its misery. I've seen some pretty nasty HTML before,
> >>but this is really something.
>
> "Murray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > Yep. Good call, Bob. I would say the same....
>
> Thank you for looking at it. I took it over from someone and I don't
> know how it was made. However, I have now deleted the table and
> started over from scratch, building the table in the WYSIWYG mode of
> FP2000. Shouldn't that give me HTML without these problems?
>
> The titles are still closer to the tops of the cells than the bottom.
> http://www.timspartycentre.com/kirrabilli/linksnew.htm
>
> Did you find the same problems on
> http://www.timspartycentre.com/kirrabilli/dogs.htm ?
>
> I started from scratch on that one and I'm having the same problem
> with vertical cell alignment.
>
> Would you mind looking at these two pages again and tell me if the
> HTML is still terrible? And do you see anything that is still causing
> my vertical alignment problems?
>
> Thank you very much for your help.
>
> --
> Nancy
>

The HTML is as good as it gets when using a theme, it can be improved (in my
opinion) by applying the theme with CSS. The first page is also OK.

The vertical spacing in the tables is caused by the use of Headings (
<h2>Some text</h2> ). Headings are block level tags which will always add
a blank line. The line can be reduced in size by the use of CSS:
<h2 style="margin-bottom:1px">

--
Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.


"N.Coffey" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Bob Lehmann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:eP79$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> I tried fixing your page, but I'm afraid it's terminal. Best to
>>>put it out of its misery. I've seen some pretty nasty HTML before,
>>>but this is really something.
>
> "Murray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> Yep. Good call, Bob. I would say the same....
>
> Thank you for looking at it. I took it over from someone and I don't
> know how it was made. However, I have now deleted the table and
> started over from scratch, building the table in the WYSIWYG mode of
> FP2000. Shouldn't that give me HTML without these problems?
>
> The titles are still closer to the tops of the cells than the bottom.
> http://www.timspartycentre.com/kirrabilli/linksnew.htm
>
> Did you find the same problems on
> http://www.timspartycentre.com/kirrabilli/dogs.htm ?
>
> I started from scratch on that one and I'm having the same problem
> with vertical cell alignment.
>
> Would you mind looking at these two pages again and tell me if the
> HTML is still terrible? And do you see anything that is still causing
> my vertical alignment problems?
>
> Thank you very much for your help.
>
> --
> Nancy
>

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:48:37 UTC, "Bob Lehmann"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> You've still got alot of the same problems.

Thanks for looking at the pages. I'm surprised that FP produces such
bad HTML sometimes, especially when I was doing a fairly simple job.
It's a good thing that there is a newsgroup for help.

Nancy