1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.

2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.

Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?

Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?

Stan Hilliard

Stan Hilliard wrote:
> 1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
> Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
> computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.
>
> 2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the
> name of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click
> it's name. The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's
> title/caption. I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network]
> [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's
> are there.
>
> Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?
>
> Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?

1) No idea. Never did like using those tools for networking.
2) No.

WINS?
DNS?
All hardware drivers - especially NIC - updated?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Does this effect repeat itself...or was it a 'one off'?


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.
"Stan Hilliard" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> 1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
> Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
> computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.
>
> 2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
> of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
> The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
> I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
> Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.
>
> Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?
>
> Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?
>
> Stan Hilliard
>
>
>
>

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 04:18:14 +0100, "Tim Meddick"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.
>"Stan Hilliard" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> 1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
>> Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
>> computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.
>>
>> 2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
>> of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
>> The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
>> I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
>> Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.
>>
>> Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?
>>
>> Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?
>>
>> Stan Hilliard

>Does this effect repeat itself...or was it a 'one off'?

I rebooted the XP-Pro and it still is similar but maybe not exactly.
Here is a refined explanation though.

I click on + in front of [My Network Places] in the left pane. It
lists in the left pane a lot of folders on the network (like it
always did) but does not list [Entire Network] like it used to. No
folders on the third computer are shown.

I click on [search] and enter the name of the missing computer. It
shows up in the right pane. I double click it and the selected icon in
the left pane is at [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft
Windows Network] [Workgroupname] [thirdcomputername]. The other two
computers are at the same level under [Workgroupname].

In the left pane of explorer I select [My Computer]. It looks like it
I think it should, like it used to look before I had to use [search].

MORE:
I have made a number of changes in the past few days trying to fix
things. To the extent that I can unfog my confused mind:

1) From the "third" computer (Win98SE) I tried to connect to the
XP-Pro SP2 computer with Acronis Management Console. This failed.

2) I noticed that the XP machine had UPnP turned off so I turned it
back on.

3) I noticed a message/link on the XP computer's Security Center that
I shouldn't have two firewalls going. I had Windows firewall plus
Sygate Personal Firewall. (I have been running the two firewalls since
2006 and have never noticed that message.)

4) I could not access Sygate from the quicklaunch bar like I used to,
so I uninstalled it.

5) I downloaded Lavasoft Firewall and installed it, having first
turned off Windows firewall.

6) I have also noticed that the XP-Pro's quicklaunch bar contains
fewer buttons than traditionally. One missing icon is the
speaker-volume.

7) I just re-booted the XP-Pro, this time after a complete shutdown.
It has all the quicklaunch icons and Explorer has [My Network Places]
[Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname]. But
following that it contains only two of the three computers, leaving
out the same Win98SE as before.

Stan Hilliard

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:35:20 -0500, Stan Hilliard
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 04:18:14 +0100, "Tim Meddick"
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.
>>"Stan Hilliard" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> 1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
>>> Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
>>> computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.
>>>
>>> 2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
>>> of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
>>> The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
>>> I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
>>> Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.
>>>
>>> Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?
>>>
>>> Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?
>>>
>>> Stan Hilliard

>>Does this effect repeat itself...or was it a 'one off'?

>I rebooted the XP-Pro and it still is similar but maybe not exactly.
>Here is a refined explanation though.
>
>I click on + in front of [My Network Places] in the left pane. It
>lists in the left pane a lot of folders on the network (like it
>always did) but does not list [Entire Network] like it used to. No
>folders on the third computer are shown.
>
>I click on [search] and enter the name of the missing computer. It
>shows up in the right pane. I double click it and the selected icon in
>the left pane is at [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft
>Windows Network] [Workgroupname] [thirdcomputername]. The other two
>computers are at the same level under [Workgroupname].
>
>In the left pane of explorer I select [My Computer]. It looks like it
>I think it should, like it used to look before I had to use [search].
>
>MORE:
>I have made a number of changes in the past few days trying to fix
>things. To the extent that I can unfog my confused mind:
>
>1) From the "third" computer (Win98SE) I tried to connect to the
>XP-Pro SP2 computer with Acronis Management Console. This failed.
>
>2) I noticed that the XP machine had UPnP turned off so I turned it
>back on.
>
>3) I noticed a message/link on the XP computer's Security Center that
>I shouldn't have two firewalls going. I had Windows firewall plus
>Sygate Personal Firewall. (I have been running the two firewalls since
>2006 and have never noticed that message.)
>
>4) I could not access Sygate from the quicklaunch bar like I used to,
>so I uninstalled it.
>
>5) I downloaded Lavasoft Firewall and installed it, having first
>turned off Windows firewall.
>
>6) I have also noticed that the XP-Pro's quicklaunch bar contains
>fewer buttons than traditionally. One missing icon is the
>speaker-volume.
>
>7) I just re-booted the XP-Pro, this time after a complete shutdown.
>It has all the quicklaunch icons and Explorer has [My Network Places]
>[Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname]. But
>following that it contains only two of the three computers, leaving
>out the same Win98SE as before.
>
>Stan Hilliard

It looks like the main problem is with the third computer (Win98SE).
From it, I cannot see the other two from Explorer. When I select
[Network Neighborhood] [Entire Network] I get the message:

Unable to browse the network.
The network is not accessible.
For more information, look in the Help index at the topic "Network
Troubleshooter".

That help topic is blank on that PC.

Stan Hilliard

Some basic considerations: Is 'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft
Networks' installed on the Win98 machine for the 'Local Area Connection'
that the XP machine is trying to connect to. Also 'Client for Microsoft
Networks' must be installed.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


"Stan Hilliard" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> 1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
> Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
> computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.
>
> 2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
> of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
> The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
> I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
> Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.
>
> Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?
>
> Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?
>
> Stan Hilliard
>
>
>
>

>"Stan Hilliard" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> 1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
>> Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
>> computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.
>>
>> 2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
>> of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
>> The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
>> I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
>> Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.
>>
>> Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?
>>
>> Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?
>> Stan Hilliard


>Some basic considerations: Is 'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft
>Networks' installed on the Win98 machine for the 'Local Area Connection'
>that the XP machine is trying to connect to. Also 'Client for Microsoft
>Networks' must be installed.
>Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

Client for Microsoft Networks is installed on the W98 machine.

'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks' installed on the
Win98 machine. I don't understand its two properties though:

"Browse Master" is disabled.
"LM Announce" is NO.

Stan Hilliard

Stan Hilliard wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 04:18:14 +0100, "Tim Meddick"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.
>> "Stan Hilliard" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> 1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
>>> Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
>>> computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.
>>>
>>> 2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
>>> of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
>>> The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
>>> I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
>>> Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.
>>>
>>> Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?
>>>
>>> Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?
>>>
>>> Stan Hilliard
>
>> Does this effect repeat itself...or was it a 'one off'?
>
> I rebooted the XP-Pro and it still is similar but maybe not exactly.
> Here is a refined explanation though.
>
> I click on + in front of [My Network Places] in the left pane. It
> lists in the left pane a lot of folders on the network (like it
> always did) but does not list [Entire Network] like it used to. No
> folders on the third computer are shown.
>
> I click on [search] and enter the name of the missing computer. It
> shows up in the right pane. I double click it and the selected icon in
> the left pane is at [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft
> Windows Network] [Workgroupname] [thirdcomputername]. The other two
> computers are at the same level under [Workgroupname].
>
> In the left pane of explorer I select [My Computer]. It looks like it
> I think it should, like it used to look before I had to use [search].
>
> MORE:
> I have made a number of changes in the past few days trying to fix
> things. To the extent that I can unfog my confused mind:
>
> 1) From the "third" computer (Win98SE) I tried to connect to the
> XP-Pro SP2 computer with Acronis Management Console. This failed.
>
> 2) I noticed that the XP machine had UPnP turned off so I turned it
> back on.
>
> 3) I noticed a message/link on the XP computer's Security Center that
> I shouldn't have two firewalls going. I had Windows firewall plus
> Sygate Personal Firewall. (I have been running the two firewalls since
> 2006 and have never noticed that message.)

That is a bad practice, you should only use one firewall. One firwall
can cause problems enough let alone two. Pick the one you want and turn
the other one off. When you troubleshoot network proplems one of the
first thing to do is to *completely* disable the firwall when you do
your tests and troubleshooting, if need be disconnect from the internet
when you do your tests. There is usually not much sense digging too
deep until you positively eliminate the firewall as a possible cause.
>
> 4) I could not access Sygate from the quicklaunch bar like I used to,
> so I uninstalled it.
>
> 5) I downloaded Lavasoft Firewall and installed it, having first
> turned off Windows firewall.
>
> 6) I have also noticed that the XP-Pro's quicklaunch bar contains
> fewer buttons than traditionally. One missing icon is the
> speaker-volume.
>
> 7) I just re-booted the XP-Pro, this time after a complete shutdown.
> It has all the quicklaunch icons and Explorer has [My Network Places]
> [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname]. But
> following that it contains only two of the three computers, leaving
> out the same Win98SE as before.

Make sure that the Windows 98 computer is not configured to be a Master
Browser.

John

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:27:40 -0500, Stan Hilliard
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>>"Stan Hilliard" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> 1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
>>> Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
>>> computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.
>>>
>>> 2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
>>> of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
>>> The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
>>> I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
>>> Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.
>>>
>>> Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?
>>>
>>> Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?
>>> Stan Hilliard
>
>
>>Some basic considerations: Is 'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft
>>Networks' installed on the Win98 machine for the 'Local Area Connection'
>>that the XP machine is trying to connect to. Also 'Client for Microsoft
>>Networks' must be installed.
>>Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.
>
>Client for Microsoft Networks is installed on the W98 machine.
>
>'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks' installed on the
>Win98 machine. I don't understand its two properties though:
>
>"Browse Master" is disabled.
>"LM Announce" is NO.
>
>Stan Hilliard

I was gone for three days, so I shut down everything including the
cable modem and router. I started up everything again and each
computer's Explorer could see the other two computers as it should.

I had previously rebooted each computer so that doesn't explain what
happened. It must have been the restarting of the cable modem and
router that fixed it.

One additional anomaly. On the XP-Pro computer in Explorer's left pane
with the selection highlight on the Win98SE computer, the right pane
showed http://www.msn.com. I don't think I have ever linked to msn
before.

When I clicked on another computer in the left pane and back again to
the Win98SE computer, the right pane showed the folders that it should
show. Does anyone have an explanation for this?

Stan Hilliard

Stan,
I have to admit, I don't know too much about networking. At work,
we have four computers in one room and six in the other. If all the
computers are shut down and the router is left on then, four out of ten
times, when you switch on one of the computers in either room, it no longer
shows any connection. It's as though the router is 'locked up' or
something. Switching the computer back off (on the computers I don't have
admin rights to) and then turning the ROUTER off and back on again sorts it
out (I then open a CMD prompt and type:: ipconfig /renew on the ones I do
have admin rights to so I don't have to turn those machines off and on).
This may be what happened on your system.

==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


"Stan Hilliard" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:27:40 -0500, Stan Hilliard
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>>"Stan Hilliard" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> 1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
>>>> Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
>>>> computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.
>>>>
>>>> 2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
>>>> of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
>>>> The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
>>>> I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
>>>> Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.
>>>>
>>>> Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?
>>>>
>>>> Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?
>>>> Stan Hilliard
>>
>>
>>>Some basic considerations: Is 'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft
>>>Networks' installed on the Win98 machine for the 'Local Area Connection'
>>>that the XP machine is trying to connect to. Also 'Client for Microsoft
>>>Networks' must be installed.
>>>Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.
>>
>>Client for Microsoft Networks is installed on the W98 machine.
>>
>>'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks' installed on the
>>Win98 machine. I don't understand its two properties though:
>>
>>"Browse Master" is disabled.
>>"LM Announce" is NO.
>>
>>Stan Hilliard
>
> I was gone for three days, so I shut down everything including the
> cable modem and router. I started up everything again and each
> computer's Explorer could see the other two computers as it should.
>
> I had previously rebooted each computer so that doesn't explain what
> happened. It must have been the restarting of the cable modem and
> router that fixed it.
>
> One additional anomaly. On the XP-Pro computer in Explorer's left pane
> with the selection highlight on the Win98SE computer, the right pane
> showed http://www.msn.com. I don't think I have ever linked to msn
> before.
>
> When I clicked on another computer in the left pane and back again to
> the Win98SE computer, the right pane showed the folders that it should
> show. Does anyone have an explanation for this?
>
> Stan Hilliard