Just cannot do it. Tried everything but nothing works.

Restarting the machine after I've tried to install whatever set of ati's
drivers (latest xp, nt or win 2000) I either get a blank screen or the
monitor switches off, and xp doesn't load.

I've been at it for two weeks and I'm chewing paper. No documentation it
seems on the web or anywhere.

Worked ok-ish in win98se. All that's changed is the os.

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Alan Barry

sorry to say but the card maybe caput. okish in 98? should have worked great in 98. I have had my 128 in xp. The OS tried to load
WDM native drivers for it. I declined that immediatly and loaded ATI's drivers.

"Alan Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:Xns940B1ACCFFB97forestfc@193.38.113.46...
> Just cannot do it. Tried everything but nothing works.
>
> Restarting the machine after I've tried to install whatever set of ati's
> drivers (latest xp, nt or win 2000) I either get a blank screen or the
> monitor switches off, and xp doesn't load.
>
> I've been at it for two weeks and I'm chewing paper. No documentation it
> seems on the web or anywhere.
>
> Worked ok-ish in win98se. All that's changed is the os.
>
> --
> Alan Barry

"JAD" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:JVKfb.2378$(E-Mail Removed):

> sorry to say but the card maybe caput. okish in 98? should have
> worked great in 98. I have had my 128 in xp. The OS tried to load WDM
> native drivers for it. I declined that immediatly and loaded ATI's
> drivers.
>

How can the card be kaput if it was working fine in win98 (not 1998) two
weeks ago but not in xp pro now? xp recognizes a vga compatible card every
startup; it just won't let me install it.

I don't remember a choice about xp's native drivers; it just went ahead and
installed microsoft's drivers for the card. I had to uninstall the card in
device manager to install ati's 6.13.3279 drivers (not!)

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Alan Barry

Ic your first post referred to a black screen not a install problem persay, windows 98 I realize and we are on the same page, what
I meant was that when I used the 128 in XP it worked adequately, however when I bought it I had win 98 and then ME, it was GREAT
back then....

When you uninstalled it after mS drivers loaded were you able to get the adapter back to 'standard VGA'?
when those stupid MS drivers(don't support OpenGL) load they leave ATI drivers in the system folders, these files will interfere
with any subsequent driver update or changes.

"Alan Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:Xns940B27CF59B38forestfc@193.38.113.46...
> "JAD" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> news:JVKfb.2378$(E-Mail Removed):
>
> > sorry to say but the card maybe caput. okish in 98? should have
> > worked great in 98. I have had my 128 in xp. The OS tried to load WDM
> > native drivers for it. I declined that immediatly and loaded ATI's
> > drivers.
> >
>
> How can the card be kaput if it was working fine in win98 (not 1998) two
> weeks ago but not in xp pro now? xp recognizes a vga compatible card every
> startup; it just won't let me install it.
>
> I don't remember a choice about xp's native drivers; it just went ahead and
> installed microsoft's drivers for the card. I had to uninstall the card in
> device manager to install ati's 6.13.3279 drivers (not!)
>
> --
> Alan Barry

"JAD" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:I1Mfb.2440$(E-Mail Removed):

> Ic your first post referred to a black screen not a install problem
> persay, windows 98 I realize and we are on the same page, what I
> meant was that when I used the 128 in XP it worked adequately, however
> when I bought it I had win 98 and then ME, it was GREAT back then....

You're right. I should upgrade my video card but I am not inclined atm to
shell out £100+ to do so.

> When you uninstalled it after mS drivers loaded were you able to get
> the adapter back to 'standard VGA'?
> when those stupid MS drivers(don't support OpenGL) load they leave
> ATI drivers in the system folders, these files will interfere
> with any subsequent driver update or changes.
>

No, I couldn't get xp to install the card as standard vga. It's listed in
device manager as '? Other devices: VGA compatible card'. When I try to
use the 'add new hardware' feature it restricts me to half a dozen ati
cards but not the rage 128 pro.

I couldn't uninstall the ms drivers from control panel. It kept saying
that there was no earlier version. So, I uninstalled the card from device
manager, removed all ati .dll and .sys files and any .inf files I could
find, hacked the registry to remove any reference to ati tech. Still, no
luck.



--
Alan Barry

You're right. I should upgrade my video card but I am not inclined atm to
> shell out £100+ to do so.

Actually i think that the card is still a viable peice of hardware.

You need to get rid of OTHER DEVICES it will PREVENT you from installing

you need to get 'standard VGA' loaded

safe mode - remove:

all 'other devices'

all ghost drivers for hardware that no longer exsists in every heading

the aiw again from display adapters (if it is there)

all 'ati' from hd...search ATI and delete as many as you see

ati from the INF folder under c:/windows/inf/other INF is a 'hidden folder' set view to view all
files and folders. if you have an 'other' folder under INF then the ATI inf that windows is usuing should
be there. delete all ati from there.

reboot...this should give you the 'standard VGA' adapter now

your ati driver should be an EXE self install run it now

"Alan Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:Xns940B8240EA7C3forestfc@193.38.113.46...
> "JAD" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> news:I1Mfb.2440$(E-Mail Removed):
>
> > Ic your first post referred to a black screen not a install problem
> > persay, windows 98 I realize and we are on the same page, what I
> > meant was that when I used the 128 in XP it worked adequately, however
> > when I bought it I had win 98 and then ME, it was GREAT back then....
>
> >
> > When you uninstalled it after mS drivers loaded were you able to get
> > the adapter back to 'standard VGA'?
> > when those stupid MS drivers(don't support OpenGL) load they leave
> > ATI drivers in the system folders, these files will interfere
> > with any subsequent driver update or changes.
> >
>
> No, I couldn't get xp to install the card as standard vga. It's listed in
> device manager as '? Other devices: VGA compatible card'. When I try to
> use the 'add new hardware' feature it restricts me to half a dozen ati
> cards but not the rage 128 pro.
>
> I couldn't uninstall the ms drivers from control panel. It kept saying
> that there was no earlier version. So, I uninstalled the card from device
> manager, removed all ati .dll and .sys files and any .inf files I could
> find, hacked the registry to remove any reference to ati tech. Still, no
> luck.
>
>
>
> --
> Alan Barry

"Alan Barry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Xns940B8240EA7C3forestfc@193.38.113.46...
> "JAD" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> news:I1Mfb.2440$(E-Mail Removed):
>
> > Ic your first post referred to a black screen not a install problem
> > persay, windows 98 I realize and we are on the same page, what I
> > meant was that when I used the 128 in XP it worked adequately, however
> > when I bought it I had win 98 and then ME, it was GREAT back then....
>
> You're right. I should upgrade my video card but I am not inclined atm to
> shell out £100+ to do so.
>
> > When you uninstalled it after mS drivers loaded were you able to get
> > the adapter back to 'standard VGA'?
> > when those stupid MS drivers(don't support OpenGL) load they leave
> > ATI drivers in the system folders, these files will interfere
> > with any subsequent driver update or changes.
> >
>
> No, I couldn't get xp to install the card as standard vga. It's listed in
> device manager as '? Other devices: VGA compatible card'. When I try to
> use the 'add new hardware' feature it restricts me to half a dozen ati
> cards but not the rage 128 pro.
>
> I couldn't uninstall the ms drivers from control panel. It kept saying
> that there was no earlier version. So, I uninstalled the card from device
> manager, removed all ati .dll and .sys files and any .inf files I could
> find, hacked the registry to remove any reference to ati tech. Still, no
> luck.
>
>
>
> --
> Alan Barry

Click Show all hardware in the wizard. Then you'll see (amongst others) the
Standard drivers. Incidentally, it's usual to select Standard PCI VGA
Adapter. Why PCI? Don't know. It's the one that works and permits
installation.

HTH patrickp

"JAD" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:euWfb.2484$(E-Mail Removed):

> You're right. I should upgrade my video card but I am not inclined atm
> to
>> shell out œ100+ to do so.
>
> Actually i think that the card is still a viable peice of hardware.
>
> You need to get rid of OTHER DEVICES it will PREVENT you from
> installing
>
> you need to get 'standard VGA' loaded
>
> safe mode - remove:
>
> all 'other devices'
>
> all ghost drivers for hardware that no longer exsists in every heading
>
> the aiw again from display adapters (if it is there)
>
> all 'ati' from hd...search ATI and delete as many as you see
>
> ati from the INF folder under c:/windows/inf/other INF is a 'hidden
> folder' set view to view all files and folders. if you have an 'other'
> folder under INF then the ATI inf that windows is usuing should be
> there. delete all ati from there.
>
> reboot...this should give you the 'standard VGA' adapter now
>
> your ati driver should be an EXE self install run it now
>

Still no luck I'm afraid.

Managed to remove ati from list of display adapters and I'd already
removed all ati .inf files but still can't get 'standard vga' listed in
the add hardware wizard.

VGA compatible card is the only item listed in Other Devices but if I
remove it in safe or normal mode xp just puts it right back in on
startup.

I can install the drivers in safe mode, and the card is listed in device
manager without a ! or ? but xp then just crashes if I try to boot into
normal mode.

I can see a £100+ leaving my already threadbare wallet pretty soon.

Thanks for your help though.

--
Alan Barry

"patrickp" <(E-Mail Removed) - take five to email me> wrote in
news:lyWfb.7334$(E-Mail Removed):

> Click Show all hardware in the wizard. Then you'll see (amongst
> others) the Standard drivers. Incidentally, it's usual to select
> Standard PCI VGA Adapter. Why PCI? Don't know. It's the one that
> works and permits installation.
>

Sorry, Patrick, still no joy.---

--
Alan Barry

Seems odd that it doesn't work. I had my Rage Fury 128 Pro working in XP Pro
with no problems. Anyway, since I noticed you referred to Pounds Sterling, I
thought I would suggest a very good alternative which I have just upgraded
to from said 128 Pro.

Tyan Tachyon Radeon 9600 Pro available from Ebuyer for about £125 delivered.
Great card with loads of horse power.

Piers


snip
> I can see a £100+ leaving my already threadbare wallet pretty soon.
>
> Thanks for your help though.
>
> --
> Alan Barry