when i run windows defragmenter, it won't defrag certain files. these are
large, all above 600 mb, the most at 1 gb. this is annoying because once it
hits thease, it stops and the rest of my drive is in shambles. thanks

ihammerhands2000,

What are the files & what application are they in use by when you try to
defrag?

What processes are running at the time

What are the location of these fragmented files if known?

--
Newbie Coder
(It's just a name)

"ihammerhands2000" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:C61635C8-1AC3-4DEF-8593-(E-Mail Removed)...
> when i run windows defragmenter, it won't defrag certain files. these are
> large, all above 600 mb, the most at 1 gb. this is annoying because once
it
> hits thease, it stops and the rest of my drive is in shambles. thanks

"ihammerhands2000" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:C61635C8-1AC3-4DEF-8593-(E-Mail Removed)...
> when i run windows defragmenter, it won't defrag certain files. these are
> large, all above 600 mb, the most at 1 gb. this is annoying because once
> it
> hits thease, it stops and the rest of my drive is in shambles. thanks

You might try moving these files off the HDD, defrag, then returning them. I
think when your disk space gets low, larger files aren't defragmented fully.

When you say the rest of the drive is in a "shambles", what do you mean? Are
these separate files that can't be defragmented, or just one single file
broken into a number of pieces?

Are you going on the visual image or the log. Look at the log and see
exactly how many files are fragmented.

I am willing to bet there are two or three large files fragmented in two or
three pieces, but because they show up as red on defragmenter it looks like
there is lots of defragmented data, that will severely affect your
performance. A large file in several pieces won't hurt performance.

AFAIK, the only file that Windows defragmenter won't touch is the page file,
IIRC in yellow, and there is a tool for that -
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sys...ageDefrag.mspx

Did you try Disk Cleanup yet ? May get things in line.

Malv

"ihammerhands2000" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:C61635C8-1AC3-4DEF-8593-(E-Mail Removed)...
> when i run windows defragmenter, it won't defrag certain files. these are
> large, all above 600 mb, the most at 1 gb. this is annoying because once
it
> hits thease, it stops and the rest of my drive is in shambles. thanks

ok, when i say "in shambles", i mean like half the bar that shows fragmented
files is red. my computer is suffering. there are 9 files ranging from 687 mb
to 1 gb totaling at 6.64 gb. yes, i know thats big. here's the message a get:

Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
6 220 MB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\AOL\C_America Online 9.0\organize\smdeanoluv
42 687 MB
\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-3251417054-3162088648-3116330118-1006\Dc2.avi
95 696 MB
\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-3251417054-3162088648-3116330118-1006\Dc1.avi
37 698 MB \move\b4.avi
66 699 MB
\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-3251417054-3162088648-3116330118-1006\Dc3.avi
44 701 MB \move\b1.avi
209 701 MB \move\b2.avi
119 900 MB \move\b3.avi
262 1.00 GB \move\b5.divx

and with that copy idea, it takes forever. even with command prompt set at
realtime, it still takes forever and my computer freezes sometimes. does
anybody know a way around it?

"dobey" wrote:

>
> "ihammerhands2000" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message news:C61635C8-1AC3-4DEF-8593-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > when i run windows defragmenter, it won't defrag certain files. these are
> > large, all above 600 mb, the most at 1 gb. this is annoying because once
> > it
> > hits thease, it stops and the rest of my drive is in shambles. thanks
>
> You might try moving these files off the HDD, defrag, then returning them. I
> think when your disk space gets low, larger files aren't defragmented fully.
>
> When you say the rest of the drive is in a "shambles", what do you mean? Are
> these separate files that can't be defragmented, or just one single file
> broken into a number of pieces?
>
> Are you going on the visual image or the log. Look at the log and see
> exactly how many files are fragmented.
>
> I am willing to bet there are two or three large files fragmented in two or
> three pieces, but because they show up as red on defragmenter it looks like
> there is lots of defragmented data, that will severely affect your
> performance. A large file in several pieces won't hurt performance.
>
> AFAIK, the only file that Windows defragmenter won't touch is the page file,
> IIRC in yellow, and there is a tool for that -
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sys...ageDefrag.mspx
>
>
>
>

Empty your Recycle Bin.

Make sure that AOL is not running when you run defrag, so that AOL is not
using whatever file.

RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-3251417054-3162088648-3116330118-1006 is your Recycle Bin.

S-1-5-21-3251417054-3162088648-3116330118-1006 is you SID.

SID is a user's security ID.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In news:FA6B3B16-B73B-495D-8112-(E-Mail Removed),
ihammerhands2000 <(E-Mail Removed)> hunted and
pecked:
> ok, when i say "in shambles", i mean like half the bar that shows
> fragmented files is red. my computer is suffering. there are 9 files
> ranging from 687 mb to 1 gb totaling at 6.64 gb. yes, i know thats big.
> here's the message a get:
>
> Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
> 6 220 MB \Documents and Settings\All
> Users\Application Data\AOL\C_America Online 9.0\organize\smdeanoluv
> 42 687 MB
> \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-3251417054-3162088648-3116330118-1006\Dc2.avi
> 95 696 MB
> \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-3251417054-3162088648-3116330118-1006\Dc1.avi
> 37 698 MB \move\b4.avi
> 66 699 MB
> \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-3251417054-3162088648-3116330118-1006\Dc3.avi
> 44 701 MB \move\b1.avi
> 209 701 MB \move\b2.avi
> 119 900 MB \move\b3.avi
> 262 1.00 GB \move\b5.divx
>
> and with that copy idea, it takes forever. even with command prompt set at
> realtime, it still takes forever and my computer freezes sometimes. does
> anybody know a way around it?
>
> "dobey" wrote:
>
>>
>> "ihammerhands2000" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> message news:C61635C8-1AC3-4DEF-8593-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> when i run windows defragmenter, it won't defrag certain files. these
>>> are large, all above 600 mb, the most at 1 gb. this is annoying because
>>> once it
>>> hits thease, it stops and the rest of my drive is in shambles. thanks
>>
>> You might try moving these files off the HDD, defrag, then returning
>> them. I think when your disk space gets low, larger files aren't
>> defragmented fully.
>>
>> When you say the rest of the drive is in a "shambles", what do you mean?
>> Are these separate files that can't be defragmented, or just one single
>> file broken into a number of pieces?
>>
>> Are you going on the visual image or the log. Look at the log and see
>> exactly how many files are fragmented.
>>
>> I am willing to bet there are two or three large files fragmented in two
>> or three pieces, but because they show up as red on defragmenter it
>> looks like there is lots of defragmented data, that will severely affect
>> your performance. A large file in several pieces won't hurt performance.
>>
>> AFAIK, the only file that Windows defragmenter won't touch is the page
>> file, IIRC in yellow, and there is a tool for that -
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sys...ageDefrag.mspx

"ihammerhands2000" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:FA6B3B16-B73B-495D-8112-(E-Mail Removed)...
> ok, when i say "in shambles", i mean like half the bar that shows
> fragmented
> files is red. my computer is suffering. there are 9 files ranging from 687
> mb
> to 1 gb totaling at 6.64 gb. yes, i know thats big. here's the message a
> get:
>
> Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
> 6 220 MB \Documents and Settings\All
> Users\Application Data\AOL\C_America Online 9.0\organize\smdeanoluv
> 42 687 MB
> \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-3251417054-3162088648-3116330118-1006\Dc2.avi
> 95 696 MB
> \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-3251417054-3162088648-3116330118-1006\Dc1.avi
> 37 698 MB \move\b4.avi
> 66 699 MB
> \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-3251417054-3162088648-3116330118-1006\Dc3.avi
> 44 701 MB \move\b1.avi
> 209 701 MB \move\b2.avi
> 119 900 MB \move\b3.avi
> 262 1.00 GB \move\b5.divx
>
> and with that copy idea, it takes forever. even with command prompt set at
> realtime, it still takes forever and my computer freezes sometimes. does
> anybody know a way around it?
>
<snip>

Maybe there is some other problem which is causing Defragmenter to stop.
From your description it may be hanging on moving large files, so stops. You
don't say how much free space is available.

I don't know what the command prompt, or "realtime" has to do with anything.
Have you "tweaked" your system somehow that is affecting performance?

The idea is to move a few files off the HDD, empty the recycle bin defrag,
then see if anything is left fragmented, move other files back onto drive.
If you don't delete file in the recycle bin Windows treats them like any
other file.

I regularly move gigabyte files around and over a network, so to me 6.6 GB
is nothing. Maybe if you work on fixing the freezing issue, your defrag
problem will be solved.

The problem with the graphical indicators in these programs is that if I
have three, 4GB files and 20 GB of other data an a HDD (32 GB total), and
the 4 GB files are split in two pieces, the "red" parts will look like a
huge problem to the novice - they are not, this situation is nothing to
worry about and I doubt there would be any measureable perfromance loss. I
think this is your situation.

ok, here is what i see when i defrag my computer:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8950/defragao9.png

i have no idea what is happening. i don't want to move them because that
takes too long. it took 2 hrs to copy 4 files. i used command prompt to copy
those files because the explorer one always freezes my computer. even when i
put it on realtime, that little thing in the task manager where you set the
priority of programs. and the two other drives you see are actually 1 hard
drive. it was the one off of my ME computer. yes, those files are on that
hard drive also but it always crashes my comp when i run them. i just want to
fix this problem with the defrag. any suggestions?

"dobey" wrote:

>
> "ihammerhands2000" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message news:FA6B3B16-B73B-495D-8112-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > ok, when i say "in shambles", i mean like half the bar that shows
> > fragmented
> > files is red. my computer is suffering. there are 9 files ranging from 687
> > mb
> > to 1 gb totaling at 6.64 gb. yes, i know thats big. here's the message a
> > get:
> >
> > Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
> > 6 220 MB \Documents and Settings\All
> > Users\Application Data\AOL\C_America Online 9.0\organize\smdeanoluv
> > 42 687 MB
> > \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-3251417054-3162088648-3116330118-1006\Dc2.avi
> > 95 696 MB
> > \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-3251417054-3162088648-3116330118-1006\Dc1.avi
> > 37 698 MB \move\b4.avi
> > 66 699 MB
> > \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-3251417054-3162088648-3116330118-1006\Dc3.avi
> > 44 701 MB \move\b1.avi
> > 209 701 MB \move\b2.avi
> > 119 900 MB \move\b3.avi
> > 262 1.00 GB \move\b5.divx
> >
> > and with that copy idea, it takes forever. even with command prompt set at
> > realtime, it still takes forever and my computer freezes sometimes. does
> > anybody know a way around it?
> >
> <snip>
>
> Maybe there is some other problem which is causing Defragmenter to stop.
> From your description it may be hanging on moving large files, so stops. You
> don't say how much free space is available.
>
> I don't know what the command prompt, or "realtime" has to do with anything.
> Have you "tweaked" your system somehow that is affecting performance?
>
> The idea is to move a few files off the HDD, empty the recycle bin defrag,
> then see if anything is left fragmented, move other files back onto drive.
> If you don't delete file in the recycle bin Windows treats them like any
> other file.
>
> I regularly move gigabyte files around and over a network, so to me 6.6 GB
> is nothing. Maybe if you work on fixing the freezing issue, your defrag
> problem will be solved.
>
> The problem with the graphical indicators in these programs is that if I
> have three, 4GB files and 20 GB of other data an a HDD (32 GB total), and
> the 4 GB files are split in two pieces, the "red" parts will look like a
> huge problem to the novice - they are not, this situation is nothing to
> worry about and I doubt there would be any measureable perfromance loss. I
> think this is your situation.
>
>
>
>
>

On May 6, 3:27 pm, ihammerhands2000
<ihammerhands2...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> i have no idea what is happening. i don't want to move them because that
> takes too long. it took 2 hrs to copy 4 files. i used command prompt to copy
> those files because the explorer one always freezes my computer

You have bigger problems than just defrag.

You'd better backup your data before a disaster hits you.

i have backed up my files. there on that f:\ drive. the only problem is
though is that i can't run programs off that drive because my comp crashes.

"PD43" wrote:

> On May 6, 3:27 pm, ihammerhands2000
> <ihammerhands2...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > i have no idea what is happening. i don't want to move them because that
> > takes too long. it took 2 hrs to copy 4 files. i used command prompt to copy
> > those files because the explorer one always freezes my computer
>
> You have bigger problems than just defrag.
>
> You'd better backup your data before a disaster hits you.
>
>