Hi -

I've just installed a Seagate 80Gb drive (ST380021A), and when I
enable it in the CMOS as the primary slave, the boot hangs when
reporting the capacity. I'd heard this was a problem with older BIOSs
(mine's Award 4.51PG), and so I put the limited capacity jumper on the
drive, intending to enable use of the rest of the drive with Seagate's
DiscWizard tool. However, when the jumper is applied, the boot hangs
earlier than without it - it detects the new drive as the primary
slave, and my CDRW drive, but just stops. This happens before it
progresses to the screen where it reports the drive size (where it
hangs when there is no jumper), and in this case it hangs even if I
disable the drive in the CMOS. I can only boot if I remove the jumper.

Does anyone know what's going on? Any suggestions?

Thanks,
xtian

Have one PC with version 4.51, initial boot screen says May 1998. Version
4.51 means little, if nothing. Some bios even indicate their actual date at
the boot screen, like some versions of Award.
Dave
"xtian" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi -
>
> I've just installed a Seagate 80Gb drive (ST380021A), and when I
> enable it in the CMOS as the primary slave, the boot hangs when
> reporting the capacity. I'd heard this was a problem with older BIOSs
> (mine's Award 4.51PG), and so I put the limited capacity jumper on the
> drive, intending to enable use of the rest of the drive with Seagate's
> DiscWizard tool. However, when the jumper is applied, the boot hangs
> earlier than without it - it detects the new drive as the primary
> slave, and my CDRW drive, but just stops. This happens before it
> progresses to the screen where it reports the drive size (where it
> hangs when there is no jumper), and in this case it hangs even if I
> disable the drive in the CMOS. I can only boot if I remove the jumper.
>
> Does anyone know what's going on? Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> xtian

On 11 Oct 2003 00:51:47 -0700, (E-Mail Removed) (xtian) wrote:

>Hi -
>
>I've just installed a Seagate 80Gb drive (ST380021A), and when I
>enable it in the CMOS as the primary slave, the boot hangs when
>reporting the capacity. I'd heard this was a problem with older BIOSs
>(mine's Award 4.51PG), and so I put the limited capacity jumper on the
>drive, intending to enable use of the rest of the drive with Seagate's
>DiscWizard tool. However, when the jumper is applied, the boot hangs
>earlier than without it - it detects the new drive as the primary
>slave, and my CDRW drive, but just stops. This happens before it
>progresses to the screen where it reports the drive size (where it
>hangs when there is no jumper), and in this case it hangs even if I
>disable the drive in the CMOS. I can only boot if I remove the jumper.
>
>Does anyone know what's going on? Any suggestions?

Are you trying to boot the system before installing the overlay?
If you have the link set and you tell the bios to auto detect the drive it should
show as 32 gigs. You then boot from a floppy or CD containing your overlay
program. Install the overlay from the floppy or CD, boot via the hard drive to
your install floppy or CD and install the O/S as normal. Having installed the
overlay you must always boot via the HD even when using a bootable floppy
or CD.

>Thanks,
>xtian


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========
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"Barry OGrady" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On 11 Oct 2003 00:51:47 -0700, (E-Mail Removed) (xtian) wrote:
>
> >Hi -
> >
> >I've just installed a Seagate 80Gb drive (ST380021A), and when I
> >enable it in the CMOS as the primary slave, the boot hangs when
> >reporting the capacity. I'd heard this was a problem with older BIOSs
> >(mine's Award 4.51PG), and so I put the limited capacity jumper on the
> >drive, intending to enable use of the rest of the drive with Seagate's
> >DiscWizard tool. However, when the jumper is applied, the boot hangs
> >earlier than without it - it detects the new drive as the primary
> >slave, and my CDRW drive, but just stops. This happens before it
> >progresses to the screen where it reports the drive size (where it
> >hangs when there is no jumper), and in this case it hangs even if I
> >disable the drive in the CMOS. I can only boot if I remove the jumper.
> >
> >Does anyone know what's going on? Any suggestions?
>
> Are you trying to boot the system before installing the overlay?
> If you have the link set and you tell the bios to auto detect the drive it should
> show as 32 gigs. You then boot from a floppy or CD containing your overlay
> program.

> Install the overlay from the floppy or CD, boot via the hard drive

boot via the hard drive, to what?

> to your install floppy or CD and install the O/S as normal. Having installed the
> overlay you must always boot via the HD even when using a bootable floppy
> or CD.
>
> >Thanks,
> >xtian
>
>
> -Barry
> ========
> Web page: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~barry.og
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:41:25 +0200, "Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>"Barry OGrady" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On 11 Oct 2003 00:51:47 -0700, (E-Mail Removed) (xtian) wrote:
>>
>> >Hi -
>> >
>> >I've just installed a Seagate 80Gb drive (ST380021A), and when I
>> >enable it in the CMOS as the primary slave, the boot hangs when
>> >reporting the capacity. I'd heard this was a problem with older BIOSs
>> >(mine's Award 4.51PG), and so I put the limited capacity jumper on the
>> >drive, intending to enable use of the rest of the drive with Seagate's
>> >DiscWizard tool. However, when the jumper is applied, the boot hangs
>> >earlier than without it - it detects the new drive as the primary
>> >slave, and my CDRW drive, but just stops. This happens before it
>> >progresses to the screen where it reports the drive size (where it
>> >hangs when there is no jumper), and in this case it hangs even if I
>> >disable the drive in the CMOS. I can only boot if I remove the jumper.
>> >
>> >Does anyone know what's going on? Any suggestions?
>>
>> Are you trying to boot the system before installing the overlay?
>> If you have the link set and you tell the bios to auto detect the drive it should
>> show as 32 gigs. You then boot from a floppy or CD containing your overlay
>> program.
>
>> Install the overlay from the floppy or CD, boot via the hard drive
>
>boot via the hard drive, to what?

If you have an overlay installed to overcome bios limitations you must start from the
hard drive even if you want to boot from a floppy or CD. If you don't you won't be able
to see the full size of the hard drive.

>> to your install floppy or CD and install the O/S as normal. Having installed the
>> overlay you must always boot via the HD even when using a bootable floppy
>> or CD.
>>
>> >Thanks,
>> >xtian
>>
>>
>> -Barry
>> ========
>> Web page: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~barry.og
>> Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.
>> Voicemail/fax number +14136227640


-Barry
========
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"Barry OGrady" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:41:25 +0200, "Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Barry OGrady" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> On 11 Oct 2003 00:51:47 -0700, (E-Mail Removed) (xtian) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi -
> >> >
> >> >I've just installed a Seagate 80Gb drive (ST380021A), and when I
> >> >enable it in the CMOS as the primary slave, the boot hangs when
> >> >reporting the capacity. I'd heard this was a problem with older BIOSs
> >> >(mine's Award 4.51PG), and so I put the limited capacity jumper on the
> >> >drive, intending to enable use of the rest of the drive with Seagate's
> >> >DiscWizard tool. However, when the jumper is applied, the boot hangs
> >> >earlier than without it - it detects the new drive as the primary
> >> >slave, and my CDRW drive, but just stops. This happens before it
> >> >progresses to the screen where it reports the drive size (where it
> >> >hangs when there is no jumper), and in this case it hangs even if I
> >> >disable the drive in the CMOS. I can only boot if I remove the jumper.
> >> >
> >> >Does anyone know what's going on? Any suggestions?
> >>
> >> Are you trying to boot the system before installing the overlay?
> >> If you have the link set and you tell the bios to auto detect the drive it should
> >> show as 32 gigs. You then boot from a floppy or CD containing your overlay
> >> program.
> >
> >> Install the overlay from the floppy or CD, boot via the hard drive
> >
> >boot via the hard drive, to what?
>
> If you have an overlay installed to overcome bios limitations you must start from the
> hard drive even if you want to boot from a floppy or CD. If you don't you won't be able
> to see the full size of the hard drive.

You either boot from the hard drive or you boot from the floppy or
CD. There isnt any way to boot from the hard drive and then boot
from say the CD after that with the bios overlay still being loaded.

You can certainly boot from the hard drive and change
to the CD at the dos prompt and run say the setup
from the CD, but thats not booting from the CD.

> >> to your install floppy or CD and install the O/S as normal. Having installed the
> >> overlay you must always boot via the HD even when using a bootable floppy
> >> or CD.

On 2003-10-11, xtian <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Hi -
>
> I've just installed a Seagate 80Gb drive (ST380021A), and when I
> enable it in the CMOS as the primary slave, the boot hangs when
> reporting the capacity. I'd heard this was a problem with older BIOSs
> (mine's Award 4.51PG), and so I put the limited capacity jumper on the
> drive, intending to enable use of the rest of the drive with Seagate's
> DiscWizard tool. However, when the jumper is applied, the boot hangs
> earlier than without it - it detects the new drive as the primary
> slave, and my CDRW drive, but just stops. This happens before it
> progresses to the screen where it reports the drive size (where it
> hangs when there is no jumper), and in this case it hangs even if I
> disable the drive in the CMOS. I can only boot if I remove the jumper.
>
> Does anyone know what's going on? Any suggestions?
>
I think I have the same version of Award BUT MSI had updates to the bios
for handling the newer amd cpus and *160 gig* hard drives; just replaced
older drives and using a wd "160" gig drive.

Suggest you check your motherboard's website for bios updates as that
is probably the better way to go.

"Barry OGrady" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:41:25 +0200, "Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >
> >"Barry OGrady" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> On 11 Oct 2003 00:51:47 -0700, (E-Mail Removed) (xtian) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi -
> >> >
> >> >I've just installed a Seagate 80Gb drive (ST380021A), and when I
> >> >enable it in the CMOS as the primary slave, the boot hangs when
> >> >reporting the capacity. I'd heard this was a problem with older BIOSs
> >> >(mine's Award 4.51PG), and so I put the limited capacity jumper on the
> >> >drive, intending to enable use of the rest of the drive with Seagate's
> >> >DiscWizard tool. However, when the jumper is applied, the boot hangs
> >> >earlier than without it - it detects the new drive as the primary
> >> >slave, and my CDRW drive, but just stops. This happens before it
> >> >progresses to the screen where it reports the drive size (where it
> >> >hangs when there is no jumper), and in this case it hangs even if I
> >> >disable the drive in the CMOS. I can only boot if I remove the jumper.
> >> >
> >> >Does anyone know what's going on? Any suggestions?
> >>
> >> Are you trying to boot the system before installing the overlay?
> >> If you have the link set and you tell the bios to auto detect the
> >> drive it should show as 32 gigs. You then boot from a floppy or
> >> CD containing your overlay program.
> >
> >> Install the overlay from the floppy or CD, boot via the hard drive
> >
> > boot via the hard drive, to what?
>
> If you have an overlay installed to overcome bios limitations you must
> start from the hard drive even if you want to boot from a floppy or CD.

That isn't ordinarily possible. Only (bootet) software that recalls the
bootinterrupt with different parameters can do such an extended boot.

> If you don't you won't be able to see the full size of the hard drive.

Yes, but boot via the hard drive, to what? An overlay is not a program,
it is replacement bios code. After it has executed/installed it self,
the bootcode will still find an empty drive and nothing to boot to.

>
> >> to your install floppy or CD and install the O/S as normal.
> >> Having installed the overlay you must always boot via the
> >> HD even when using a bootable floppy or CD.
> >>
> >> >Thanks,
> >> >xtian

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:05:31 +0200, "Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>"Barry OGrady" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:41:25 +0200, "Folkert Rienstra" <see_reply-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Barry OGrady" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> On 11 Oct 2003 00:51:47 -0700, (E-Mail Removed) (xtian) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hi -
>> >> >
>> >> >I've just installed a Seagate 80Gb drive (ST380021A), and when I
>> >> >enable it in the CMOS as the primary slave, the boot hangs when
>> >> >reporting the capacity. I'd heard this was a problem with older BIOSs
>> >> >(mine's Award 4.51PG), and so I put the limited capacity jumper on the
>> >> >drive, intending to enable use of the rest of the drive with Seagate's
>> >> >DiscWizard tool. However, when the jumper is applied, the boot hangs
>> >> >earlier than without it - it detects the new drive as the primary
>> >> >slave, and my CDRW drive, but just stops. This happens before it
>> >> >progresses to the screen where it reports the drive size (where it
>> >> >hangs when there is no jumper), and in this case it hangs even if I
>> >> >disable the drive in the CMOS. I can only boot if I remove the jumper.
>> >> >
>> >> >Does anyone know what's going on? Any suggestions?
>> >>
>> >> Are you trying to boot the system before installing the overlay?
>> >> If you have the link set and you tell the bios to auto detect the
>> >> drive it should show as 32 gigs. You then boot from a floppy or
>> >> CD containing your overlay program.
>> >
>> >> Install the overlay from the floppy or CD, boot via the hard drive
>> >
>> > boot via the hard drive, to what?
>>
>> If you have an overlay installed to overcome bios limitations you must
>> start from the hard drive even if you want to boot from a floppy or CD.
>
>That isn't ordinarily possible. Only (bootet) software that recalls the
>bootinterrupt with different parameters can do such an extended boot.
>
>> If you don't you won't be able to see the full size of the hard drive.
>
>Yes, but boot via the hard drive, to what? An overlay is not a program,
>it is replacement bios code. After it has executed/installed it self,
>the bootcode will still find an empty drive and nothing to boot to.

The overlay is loaded from the hard drive. If you boot directly from a floppy
or CD the overlay will not be loaded and you will see only the smaller size
of the hard drive. Set the bios to boot from only the hard drive. The overlay
loader should give you the option to boot from floppy or CD.

If the hard drive has no O/S on it you must boot from floppy or CD to install
the O/S. If the install CD is self booting you can use that, but you must tell
the system to start from the hard drive so that the overlay is loaded.

>> >> to your install floppy or CD and install the O/S as normal.
>> >> Having installed the overlay you must always boot via the
>> >> HD even when using a bootable floppy or CD.
>> >>
>> >> >Thanks,
>> >> >xtian


-Barry
========
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Barry OGrady <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
> Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>> Barry OGrady <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>>> Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>>>> Barry OGrady <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>>>>> (E-Mail Removed) (xtian) wrote

> >> >> >I've just installed a Seagate 80Gb drive (ST380021A), and when I
> >> >> >enable it in the CMOS as the primary slave, the boot hangs when
> >> >> >reporting the capacity. I'd heard this was a problem with older BIOSs
> >> >> >(mine's Award 4.51PG), and so I put the limited capacity jumper on the
> >> >> >drive, intending to enable use of the rest of the drive with Seagate's
> >> >> >DiscWizard tool. However, when the jumper is applied, the boot hangs
> >> >> >earlier than without it - it detects the new drive as the primary
> >> >> >slave, and my CDRW drive, but just stops. This happens before it
> >> >> >progresses to the screen where it reports the drive size (where it
> >> >> >hangs when there is no jumper), and in this case it hangs even if I
> >> >> >disable the drive in the CMOS. I can only boot if I remove the jumper.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Does anyone know what's going on? Any suggestions?
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you trying to boot the system before installing the overlay?
> >> >> If you have the link set and you tell the bios to auto detect the
> >> >> drive it should show as 32 gigs. You then boot from a floppy or
> >> >> CD containing your overlay program.
> >> >
> >> >> Install the overlay from the floppy or CD, boot via the hard drive
> >> >
> >> > boot via the hard drive, to what?
> >>
> >> If you have an overlay installed to overcome bios limitations you must
> >> start from the hard drive even if you want to boot from a floppy or CD.
> >
> >That isn't ordinarily possible. Only (bootet) software that recalls the
> >bootinterrupt with different parameters can do such an extended boot.
> >
> >> If you don't you won't be able to see the full size of the hard drive.
> >
> >Yes, but boot via the hard drive, to what? An overlay is not a program,
> >it is replacement bios code. After it has executed/installed it self,
> >the bootcode will still find an empty drive and nothing to boot to.

> The overlay is loaded from the hard drive.

Yes.

> If you boot directly from a floppy or CD the overlay will not be
> loaded and you will see only the smaller size of the hard drive.

Yes.

> Set the bios to boot from only the hard drive. The overlay
> loader should give you the option to boot from floppy or CD.

Often they dont.

> If the hard drive has no O/S on it you must
> boot from floppy or CD to install the O/S.

Yes.

> If the install CD is self booting you can use that, but you must tell
> the system to start from the hard drive so that the overlay is loaded.

Not even possible.

> >> >> to your install floppy or CD and install the O/S as normal.
> >> >> Having installed the overlay you must always boot via the
> >> >> HD even when using a bootable floppy or CD.