My trusted IP4000 has just given up the ghost ( carriage problem) so I'm
looking at the IP4500 as a replacement

A couple of questions if anyone would be so good as to answer them

1. Do compatible cartridges work ok with this model
2. Has anyone tried the following supplier? The prices for cartridges for
the 4500 are much cheaper than I've been paying for my 4000

http://shop.ink.co.uk/

Just in case Measkite pops up with his slanted view on original carts, let
me say that I have saved hundreds of £s on compatibles and there is no way
that I would buy a printer where compatibles were not readily available.

TIA to anyone who posts sensible replies

"ac" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> My trusted IP4000 has just given up the ghost ( carriage problem) so I'm
> looking at the IP4500 as a replacement
>
> A couple of questions if anyone would be so good as to answer them
>
> 1. Do compatible cartridges work ok with this model
> 2. Has anyone tried the following supplier? The prices for cartridges for
> the 4500 are much cheaper than I've been paying for my 4000
>
> http://shop.ink.co.uk/
>
I'm sure you are aware of Canon's new carts that have chips on them to
remember that the cart is empty when you've depleted the ink in it. At
least in the US, you need to transfer the chip from the OEM cart to the
compatable to get the printer to function at all. The chip remembers that
it is from an empty cart and the printer doesn't work unless you agree to
forego your warranty. You also lose the ink monitoring function. The short
answer is that compat carts work but you need to transplant the chip.
Refilling is quite easy and is the least expensive way to go, but you have
the same result with losing the warranty and ink monitoring function. There
is a chip resetter on the market, but it is sufficiently expensive that only
commercial refilling firms would find it practical to buy one. I think that
one of the refilling companies in the UK has that service.

Frankly, what I would do is refill the OEM carts and have a spare set to
always have full ones to replace the empties. After several refills you can
purge the OEM carts and they will work again like new.

"Burt" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>

> Frankly, what I would do is refill the OEM carts and have a spare set to
> always have full ones to replace the empties. After several refills you
> can purge the OEM carts and they will work again like new.
>

Actually, swapping tanks will not help, as the printer will remember them as
being empty. So you'd still wind up disabling the level monitoring system.

To the OP:

The IP4500 is superior to the IP4000 in several ways, mostly in the head.
Faster and better resolution, it's an excellent printer. I believe that
most folks in the UK prefer the JetTek compatible inks. I also have read
about compatible tanks in the UK with re-set chips already on them.

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:16:15 GMT, "ac"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>My trusted IP4000 has just given up the ghost ( carriage problem) so I'm
>looking at the IP4500 as a replacement
>
snip

How old as the IP4000 when it failed? It can't have been that old, is
there an inherent problem of reliability (not print head) with Canon
printers. I have a couple of HPs that must be ten years old or more
and are going strong.

I appreciate the longevity of printers will depend upon their usage
but the IP is a 'home' printer and I assume cannot have seen severe
service.

"Edward W. Thompson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:16:15 GMT, "ac"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>My trusted IP4000 has just given up the ghost ( carriage problem) so I'm
>>looking at the IP4500 as a replacement
>>
> snip
>
> How old as the IP4000 when it failed? It can't have been that old, is
> there an inherent problem of reliability (not print head) with Canon
> printers. I have a couple of HPs that must be ten years old or more
> and are going strong.
>
> I appreciate the longevity of printers will depend upon their usage
> but the IP is a 'home' printer and I assume cannot have seen severe
> service.

Cartridge World in the UK is a company that can refil and reset the chips in
these cartridges.

I get very good results when I use them myself.
Regards
Stick

"DanG" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "Burt" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>
>
>> Frankly, what I would do is refill the OEM carts and have a spare set to
>> always have full ones to replace the empties. After several refills you
>> can purge the OEM carts and they will work again like new.
>>
>
> Actually, swapping tanks will not help, as the printer will remember them
> as being empty. So you'd still wind up disabling the level monitoring
> system.
>
> To the OP:
>
> The IP4500 is superior to the IP4000 in several ways, mostly in the head.
> Faster and better resolution, it's an excellent printer. I believe that
> most folks in the UK prefer the JetTek compatible inks. I also have read
> about compatible tanks in the UK with re-set chips already on them.
>
>
an - earlier in my post I covered (possibly not clearly enough) the fact
that you would lose the ink monitor and your warranty by using a prefilled
cart with a transplanted chip - same with a refilled OEM cart. I would
still, because of the exceptional savings, refill as I mentioned in my last
post. The refilled OEM carts with the reset chips that are available from a
few firms cost considerably more. Understandable as the resetters are
expensive. Refilling provides the best savings and the ability to use a
known manufacturer's ink.

ac wrote:
>
> My trusted IP4000 has just given up the ghost ( carriage problem) so I'm
> looking at the IP4500 as a replacement
>
> A couple of questions if anyone would be so good as to answer them
>
> 1. Do compatible cartridges work ok with this model
> 2. Has anyone tried the following supplier? The prices for cartridges for
> the 4500 are much cheaper than I've been paying for my 4000
>
> http://shop.ink.co.uk/
>
> Just in case Measkite pops up with his slanted view on original carts, let
> me say that I have saved hundreds of £s on compatibles and there is no way
> that I would buy a printer where compatibles were not readily available.
>
> TIA to anyone who posts sensible replies

Useful info about refilling CLI-8* and PGI-5BK cartridges can be found
at
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/index.php
Switching off ink-level monitoring is not an issue, because by removing
the tapered piece of plastic and the upper part of the clip, the
inklevel can be checked visually while the cartridges are in the
printer.
See also
http://members.lycos.nl/dmjbijzboek/...8-inklevel.jpg
When the transparant part of the cartridge is empty, there is ample time
to refill it, because the foamed part still contains a lot of ink, so
there is no danger of running dry.

I do the refilling accordingly to the "German" method, which is quick,
easy and clean.

I own an IP4200; there are reports that an IP4300 and later models
simply refuses printing if ink-level monitoring is switched off for all
5 catridges.

--
Have fun, Bert

ac wrote:
> My trusted IP4000 has just given up the ghost ( carriage problem) so I'm
> looking at the IP4500 as a replacement
>
> A couple of questions if anyone would be so good as to answer them
>
> 1. Do compatible cartridges work ok with this model
>

NO! There is not such thing. The ink is a new formulation and is patented.
> 2. Has anyone tried the following supplier? The prices for cartridges for
> the 4500 are much cheaper than I've been paying for my 4000
>

Genuine ink is about $2.00 more per cart.
> http://shop.ink.co.uk/
>
> Just in case Measkite pops up with his slanted view on original carts, let
> me say that I have saved hundreds of £s on compatibles and there is no way
> that I would buy a printer where compatibles were not readily available.
>
You saved nothing. You paid less and got less. Your prints will not
archive as long and the color quality is not as good.
> TIA to anyone who posts sensible replies
>
>
>

Edward W. Thompson wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:16:15 GMT, "ac" &lt;(E-Mail Removed)&gt; wrote:



My trusted IP4000 has just given up the ghost ( carriage problem) so I'm looking at the IP4500 as a replacement



snip How old as the IP4000 when it failed? It can't have been that old, is there an inherent problem of reliability (not print head) with Canon printers.

Only when you do not use Canon ink.


I have a couple of HPs that must be ten years old or more and are going strong. I appreciate the longevity of printers will depend upon their usage but the IP is a 'home' printer and I assume cannot have seen severe service.

I tend to print a lot of photos due to the cheap replacement carts I can
get. So I suppose the printer does get heavier than normal use.

The breakdown was mainly my fault due to over zealous removal of wire that
had become entangled in the mechanism. Result a broken piece of plastic from
the paper loading mechanism. I've had no other problems with the printer and
would buy another one tomorrow if they were still available.

Thanks to everyone for their replies and I think I will have a go at filling
carts for my new IP4500. From what I can gather sealing the filling hole
after the fill can be a problem. I've read that silicone is quite good. Can
anyone confirm this?


"Edward W. Thompson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:16:15 GMT, "ac"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>My trusted IP4000 has just given up the ghost ( carriage problem) so I'm
>>looking at the IP4500 as a replacement
>>
> snip
>
> How old as the IP4000 when it failed? It can't have been that old, is
> there an inherent problem of reliability (not print head) with Canon
> printers. I have a couple of HPs that must be ten years old or more
> and are going strong.
>
> I appreciate the longevity of printers will depend upon their usage
> but the IP is a 'home' printer and I assume cannot have seen severe
> service.