For mostly document printing with some graphic in it which one printer is
better? Is difference in droplet size present (and if yes is it visible in
quality) during printing on regular paper? I am not planing printing much of
photos just cd labels sometimes. Is lack of dye black cart in 3300 making
any difference in non-photo graphic printing?

Buy the IP4200

John Smith wrote:

>For mostly document printing with some graphic in it which one printer is
>better? Is difference in droplet size present (and if yes is it visible in
>quality) during printing on regular paper? I am not planing printing much of
>photos just cd labels sometimes. Is lack of dye black cart in 3300 making
>any difference in non-photo graphic printing?
>
>
>
>

John Smith wrote:
> For mostly document printing with some graphic in it which one printer is
> better? Is difference in droplet size present (and if yes is it visible in
> quality) during printing on regular paper? I am not planing printing much of
> photos just cd labels sometimes. Is lack of dye black cart in 3300 making
> any difference in non-photo graphic printing?
>
>
The 3300 will do just fine for your stated needs.
Frank

John Smith wrote:
> For mostly document printing with some graphic in it which one printer is
> better? Is difference in droplet size present (and if yes is it visible in
> quality) during printing on regular paper? I am not planing printing much of
> photos just cd labels sometimes. Is lack of dye black cart in 3300 making
> any difference in non-photo graphic printing?

The dropsize I don't have handy the size of the pigmented black drop
size... 30pl... I just checked. Dye black and yellow are 5pl. Cyan
and magenta are 1pl and 5pl.

I'm not sure which model you mean by the "3300" so i'm going to assume
HP photosmart all in one unit with the 6 #02 cartridges.

As for CD printing, get the ip4200 and a tray off e-bay. Tray type C
if you can, tray type B if you can't. Don't do sticky labels if you
can help it. If you plan to print less than... let's say 50 in the
next year... don't worry about it, use a sharpy.

I have the ip5200, i'm pretty dang pleased with it. I would never go
back to dye based text printing. too much of a drag... it's one of the
reasons I know little about the hp 8250 and others in the #02 cartridge
class... I wanted a general purpose printer and these are nice photo
printers.

My vote is for tanks over dropsize. Imagine, dithering cyan on white,
or cyan on light cyan. Don't get me wrong, my ip5200 does a fab job
with only 4 colors.

Oh... the pigment tank on the canon only gets used if plain paper is
select... it has nothing to do with text or graphics, it's whether you
select plain paper or not. It's not like the HPs which are object
oriented, which makes no difference as we are talking the HP 8250 class
of printers.

My vote would be for the ip4200... certainly better at plain text
documents.

Is IP4200 generating 1pL droplets all the time including printing on regular
paper? Is this printer using dye AND pigment black tanks in 2 sided
printing?

"measekite" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:JfzOg.2130$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Buy the IP4200
>
> John Smith wrote:
>
> >For mostly document printing with some graphic in it which one printer is
> >better? Is difference in droplet size present (and if yes is it visible
in
> >quality) during printing on regular paper? I am not planing printing much
of
> >photos just cd labels sometimes. Is lack of dye black cart in 3300 making
> >any difference in non-photo graphic printing?
> >
> >
> >
> >

Which printer has better ink yield while printing docs with color graphic.

"frank" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> John Smith wrote:
> > For mostly document printing with some graphic in it which one printer
is
> > better? Is difference in droplet size present (and if yes is it visible
in
> > quality) during printing on regular paper? I am not planing printing
much of
> > photos just cd labels sometimes. Is lack of dye black cart in 3300
making
> > any difference in non-photo graphic printing?
> >
> >
> The 3300 will do just fine for your stated needs.
> Frank

Sorry, I was asking about Canon IP3300 (its new model already in stores).

"zakezuke" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> John Smith wrote:
> > For mostly document printing with some graphic in it which one printer
is
> > better? Is difference in droplet size present (and if yes is it visible
in
> > quality) during printing on regular paper? I am not planing printing
much of
> > photos just cd labels sometimes. Is lack of dye black cart in 3300
making
> > any difference in non-photo graphic printing?
>
> The dropsize I don't have handy the size of the pigmented black drop
> size... 30pl... I just checked. Dye black and yellow are 5pl. Cyan
> and magenta are 1pl and 5pl.
>
> I'm not sure which model you mean by the "3300" so i'm going to assume
> HP photosmart all in one unit with the 6 #02 cartridges.
>
> As for CD printing, get the ip4200 and a tray off e-bay. Tray type C
> if you can, tray type B if you can't. Don't do sticky labels if you
> can help it. If you plan to print less than... let's say 50 in the
> next year... don't worry about it, use a sharpy.
>
> I have the ip5200, i'm pretty dang pleased with it. I would never go
> back to dye based text printing. too much of a drag... it's one of the
> reasons I know little about the hp 8250 and others in the #02 cartridge
> class... I wanted a general purpose printer and these are nice photo
> printers.
>
> My vote is for tanks over dropsize. Imagine, dithering cyan on white,
> or cyan on light cyan. Don't get me wrong, my ip5200 does a fab job
> with only 4 colors.
>
> Oh... the pigment tank on the canon only gets used if plain paper is
> select... it has nothing to do with text or graphics, it's whether you
> select plain paper or not. It's not like the HPs which are object
> oriented, which makes no difference as we are talking the HP 8250 class
> of printers.
>
> My vote would be for the ip4200... certainly better at plain text
> documents.
>

"zakezuke" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> John Smith wrote:
> > For mostly document printing with some graphic in it which one printer
is
> > better? Is difference in droplet size present (and if yes is it visible
in
> > quality) during printing on regular paper? I am not planing printing
much of
> > photos just cd labels sometimes. Is lack of dye black cart in 3300
making
> > any difference in non-photo graphic printing?
>
> The dropsize I don't have handy the size of the pigmented black drop
> size... 30pl... I just checked. Dye black and yellow are 5pl. Cyan
> and magenta are 1pl and 5pl.

So it is only cyan droplet 1pL in size. All the others are much larger.

>
> I'm not sure which model you mean by the "3300" so i'm going to assume
> HP photosmart all in one unit with the 6 #02 cartridges.

Sorry, I was asking about Cannon new model IP3300.

>
> As for CD printing, get the ip4200 and a tray off e-bay. Tray type C
> if you can, tray type B if you can't. Don't do sticky labels if you
> can help it. If you plan to print less than... let's say 50 in the
> next year... don't worry about it, use a sharpy.

It is a little headache all this firmware/tray modification. And apparently
only 70%
of the disc surface is available with IP4200 printing. I have seen info
about new
IP4300 being able to print CD/DVD on the Canon Canada new product web site.
But it may be an error since there was nothing mentioned in this printer's
specifications.

>
> I have the ip5200, i'm pretty dang pleased with it. I would never go
> back to dye based text printing. too much of a drag... it's one of the
> reasons I know little about the hp 8250 and others in the #02 cartridge
> class... I wanted a general purpose printer and these are nice photo
> printers

That is the reason I am considering Canon IP3300. It has only pigment black
so
all the black text must print with pigment ink. I was attracted to the
option of 2 sided
printing of IP4200. But I understand that in this option printer mixes dye
and pigment
black for text printing to reduce side to side text visibility. This reduces
text quality.
As well IP3300 has 1600 nozzles while IP4200 only 1320. So even with 4 tanks
and
2pL min droplet size IP3300 may have similar quality as 4200 with 5 tanks.

>
> My vote is for tanks over dropsize. Imagine, dithering cyan on white,
> or cyan on light cyan. Don't get me wrong, my ip5200 does a fab job
> with only 4 colors.
>
> Oh... the pigment tank on the canon only gets used if plain paper is
> select... it has nothing to do with text or graphics, it's whether you
> select plain paper or not. It's not like the HPs which are object
> oriented, which makes no difference as we are talking the HP 8250 class
> of printers.

So what you are saying is that every time plain paper is selected then all
black
needs are served by pigment tank and not dye at all? What about 2 sided
printing? And for photo printing no pigment black is used at all?

>
> My vote would be for the ip4200... certainly better at plain text
> documents.
>

John Smith wrote:

> So it is only cyan droplet 1pL in size. All the others are much larger.
Cyan and magenta. Black and yellow dye are 5pl.... black pigment is
30pl. you only notice strangeness when we print on some HP papers, and
other swellable polymer papers...

>
> >
> > I'm not sure which model you mean by the "3300" so i'm going to assume
> > HP photosmart all in one unit with the 6 #02 cartridges.
>
> Sorry, I was asking about Cannon new model IP3300.

I never knew the ip3300 model existed until you pointed it out. I just
checked the specs... it LOOKS like it's basicly an ip3000 except with
the new ink.

> > As for CD printing, get the ip4200 and a tray off e-bay. Tray type C
> > if you can, tray type B if you can't. Don't do sticky labels if you
> > can help it. If you plan to print less than... let's say 50 in the
> > next year... don't worry about it, use a sharpy.
>
> It is a little headache all this firmware/tray modification. And apparently
> only 70%
> of the disc surface is available with IP4200 printing. I have seen info
> about new
> IP4300 being able to print CD/DVD on the Canon Canada new product web site.
> But it may be an error since there was nothing mentioned in this printer's
> specifications.

This is up to you... but I have to say no firmware update required,
only button presses. Unless canon makes the changes. I have to say I
did basicly write the book on the subject, but it wasn't a very good
book, knightcrawler turned my technobable into something people can
use.

Better button presses than press on labels. It's cheaper and works
better.

> That is the reason I am considering Canon IP3300. It has only pigment black
> so
> all the black text must print with pigment ink. I was attracted to the
> option of 2 sided
> printing of IP4200. But I understand that in this option printer mixes dye
> and pigment
> black for text printing to reduce side to side text visibility. This reduces
> text quality.
> As well IP3300 has 1600 nozzles while IP4200 only 1320. So even with 4 tanks
> and
> 2pL min droplet size IP3300 may have similar quality as 4200 with 5 tanks.

Given I've not heard of the ip3300 until you pointed it out... and i'm
only going by the data on the european website... take my info with a
grain of salt.

If this was the ip3000 we are talking about, I could say that it mixes
cyan, magenta, and yelow to make black in all modes but plain paper
model. Matte paper with lots of black came out soggy unless you
selected . Photo papers and CDs this wasn't an issue.

I can say with first hand experence that the ip5200 is an improvement
over the ip3000 in many ways esp in rendering colors... and printing
kanji. For laughs, I do CD lables with furigana above anything... and
it's certainly more ledgible on the ip5200 than the ip3000.

If this was the ip3000, it was also there that only the cyan and
magenta got either 2pl or 5pl drops, yellow was 5pl. I'm not sure the
dropsize on the pigment black, but I "imagine" it being huge like the
ip5200.

> So what you are saying is that every time plain paper is selected then all
> black
> needs are served by pigment tank and not dye at all? What about 2 sided
> printing? And for photo printing no pigment black is used at all?

I should say
plain paper - single sided mode - pigment only
plain paper - double sided mode - pigment mixed with dye
All other paper modes use dye ink only. If this was the ip3000, this
would include text, and include printing all black text with cyan,
magenta, and yellow.

On 16 Sep 2006 03:30:47 -0700, "zakezuke" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>
>John Smith wrote:
>
>> So it is only cyan droplet 1pL in size. All the others are much larger.
>Cyan and magenta. Black and yellow dye are 5pl.... black pigment is
>30pl. you only notice strangeness when we print on some HP papers, and
>other swellable polymer papers...
>

Are there brands of swellable polymer papers that Canon printers do
well with. The ones I tried seem to produce bronzing.