"Helmut Meukel" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Then there seems to be some posters banned from MS news.
I doubt that very much.
The MSNews server might reject articles posted from some IP addresses,
presumably based on well-known blacklist sites. (I object to the
blacklists. In the past, "good" addresses have found their way onto
blacklists; e.g. some of the many servers used by AOL.)
However, I expect that articles posted from blacklisted IP addresses are
never accepted by the MSNews server; I expect the TCP connection is rejected
immediately. Ergo, they could never appear on sites that mirror the MS
newsgroups, like Google Groups.
On the contrary, since Austin's articles, posted to the MSNews server, do
appear in Google Groups, the MSNews did accept those articles initially.
> microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion, "Executables", Terry Austin.
Aka "Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy".
Although I cannot spoof the IP address of Austin's news client, I did
successfully post an article spoofing everything else, including Austin's
"From" line. The article was posted successfully, and it survived on the
MSNews server. Ergo, Austin is not "banned from MS news".
> The news server has filters and some totally inoffensive words
> cause posts to be blocked.
All of Austin's postings include the mail header record "X-Suck-My-Dick:
Suck.My.Dick", replacing periods with spaces. It is the phrase
"suck.my.dick", replacing periods with spaces, that causes the article to be
removed from the MSNews server.
> Interestingly some - not all - of those posts show up in Google.
It depends on when Google (actually Giganews) pulls articles from the MSNews
server.
The MSNews server does not block articles immediately. Instead, there
appears to be a process that runs either periodically or after an article is
accepted. The process scrubs a newsgroup or newsgroups of articles with
"offensive" strings. Sometimes, the process is delayed, presumably due to
the load on the MSNews server. If the delay is long enough -- I have
experienced delays of more than 5 minutes -- other news servers might have
time coincidentally to pull the article before it is removed from the MSNews
server.
In this case, the "offensive" string is understandable, although I object to
censorship of any kind. (Except for spam, ideally. But in practice, spam
cannot be avoided without innocent casualties.)
However, I have also noted in the Excel newsgroups that articles with the
strings "on o" and "xy z", without spaces, are removed from the MSNews
server, presumably due to an unintentionally overly-aggressive filter
configuration.
Some MVPs have forwarded these observations to people within MS. But I
would not hold my breath for a correction, at least for the latter two
examples.
----- original message -----
"Helmut Meukel" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hmm,
>
> I use the Microsoft news server directly with Windows Mail,
> but "reliability"?
> The news server has filters and some totally inoffensive words
> cause posts to be blocked. Interestingly some - not all - of those
> posts show up in Google.
> Then there seems to be some posters banned from MS news.
> In one thread I participated, about 10 days ago, one poster
> was totally blocked by the news server, his three posting can
> be found via Google, but I never got them from the news server.
> microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion, "Executables", Terry Austin.
>
> Helmut.
>
>
> "FSt1" <(E-Mail Removed)> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:06CAD5AB-0A39-42CC-8B9F-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> hi
>> you're right. but i was just pointing that out because of the
>> "reliability"
>> problem not the search.
>>
>> regards
>> FSt1
>>
>> "Joe User" wrote:
>>
>>> "FSt1" wrote:
>>> > this is why some users have switched to news readers.
>>>
>>> Not a panacea. The MSnews server per se does not provide a search
>>> feature.
>>> (Don't know about other news servers that mirrior MS newsgroups.)
>>> Moreover,
>>> the MSnews server deletes articles older than 90 days. So search
>>> success
>>> depends on the features of the news reader as well as how complete your
>>> local
>>> cache of MSnews articles is.
>>>
>>> PS: I switched to accessing the MSnews server directly because that is
>>> the
>>> most reliable way to see articles archived there. Google Groups, for
>>> example, fails to archive some articles posted using the MS Discussion
>>> Groups
>>> web interface. I have yet to find a consistent rule to explain why.
>>> And of
>>> course, I cannot know if articles posted by other interfaces are also
>>> ignored
>>> by Google Groups.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- original message -----
>>>
>>> "FSt1" wrote:
>>> > yes. and yesterday. and the day before. i think. i forget.
>>> > anyway. MS is having one of it's mood where it just decides no to
>>> > work.
>>> > annoying at times. and this time google groups (which this forum seems
>>> > to
>>> > feed) want not working either. this is why some users have switched to
>>> > news
>>> > readers.
>>> > not sure if you want to go that far.
>>> > point is that now and then, this forum will just quit for a while, a
>>> > day,
>>> > two or what ever. complaining to MS doesn't seem to do any good.
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> > FSt1
>>> >
>>> > "Liz" wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > No results are showing anytime I try to search this forum with the
>>> > > most basic
>>> > > word....I never had problems before....anyone else having problems
>>> > > with
>>> > > querying the forum today?
>
>
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