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Can XPE boot from USB hard drive?

 
 
Kathryn Hall
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      1st Oct 2003
I've an XPE image that runs just fine on the internal hard
drive of a USB enabled device (with the USB HD
connected). If I put the image on the USB hard drive and
tell the BIOS to boot from it, I get the blue screen of
death that tells me something's wrong with the
configuration.

What do I need to look at in reguards to the configuration
to make it boot from the USB hard drive? Is it even
possible for XPE to do so? (If it makes any difference,
it's USB 2.0...)

Any help would be appreciated.
-Kathryn
 
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Slobodan Brcin
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      1st Oct 2003
Kathryn,

>I've an XPE image that runs just fine on the internal

hard
>drive of a USB enabled device (with the USB HD
>connected). If I put the image on the USB hard drive

and
>tell the BIOS to boot from it, I get the blue screen of
>death that tells me something's wrong with the
>configuration.


Yes this is true.

>What do I need to look at in reguards to the

configuration
>to make it boot from the USB hard drive? Is it even
>possible for XPE to do so?


Answer: Yes and no.

Yes, for it is even posible.

No, because it will take you a lot of time to do that,
and final results depend on many things.

I have done this. You can even find some guide lines I
have posted few weeks ago.

If you have some RAM memory to spare, you can use SDI
file and boot from it using ramdisk.

This works perfectly from USB disk wheter it is removable
or not.

>Any help would be appreciated.


Tell us more why do you need to boot XPE from USB disk.

Best regards,
Slobodan


 
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Leonid
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      2nd Oct 2003
"Slobodan Brcin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<201801c38868$b2139530$(E-Mail Removed)>...

Hi, Slobodan
I have the same problem to boot off XPE from USB hard disk and USB
CDROM.
I'm really need this option to run XPE from USB CDROM.
I've posted several messages about this issue, but didn't get clear
explanation of this problem.
Would you like to review it once again or send us over e-mail (to me
and to Kathryn) step by step guide how to boot off XPE from USB HD and
USB CDROM.
Thanks

Leonid


> Kathryn,
>
> >I've an XPE image that runs just fine on the internal

> hard
> >drive of a USB enabled device (with the USB HD
> >connected). If I put the image on the USB hard drive

> and
> >tell the BIOS to boot from it, I get the blue screen of
> >death that tells me something's wrong with the
> >configuration.

>
> Yes this is true.
>
> >What do I need to look at in reguards to the

> configuration
> >to make it boot from the USB hard drive? Is it even
> >possible for XPE to do so?

>
> Answer: Yes and no.
>
> Yes, for it is even posible.
>
> No, because it will take you a lot of time to do that,
> and final results depend on many things.
>
> I have done this. You can even find some guide lines I
> have posted few weeks ago.
>
> If you have some RAM memory to spare, you can use SDI
> file and boot from it using ramdisk.
>
> This works perfectly from USB disk wheter it is removable
> or not.
>
> >Any help would be appreciated.

>
> Tell us more why do you need to boot XPE from USB disk.
>
> Best regards,
> Slobodan

 
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Slobodan Brcin
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      2nd Oct 2003
Leonid,
> I have the same problem to boot off XPE from USB hard disk and USB
> CDROM.
> I'm really need this option to run XPE from USB CDROM.
> I've posted several messages about this issue, but didn't get clear
> explanation of this problem.


My current knowledge of this problem:
1. Most Bios-es can read any USB device and boot from it.
2. Bios exposes int 13h which boot loader can use for reading rest of data.
3. Boot Loader loads ntldr. using int 13h.
4. ntldr. loads boot.ini
Until this point non of XP parts are loaded and everything loaded try int
13.
So if you place some hold time in multi choice boot.ini, and you are able to
boot to point where ntldr will give you the choice to select os. Then you
can boot from that type of medium.

After this point XPE will start to load and at some point it will try to use
drivers to complete loading.
USB drivers are marked not to be loaded by ntldr., and when transition
occurs XPE will BSOD because it doesn't have drivers for USB, and can't load
them either.
This is like cutting branch that you are sitting on.

There is work around but it is too complicated and it wont work everywhere,
or in every case. So this is not acceptable.

Now you have two choices, well more likely one.
1. Work around I have posted few weeks ago (but like I said it is
practically useless)
2. Make Ramdisk.

You can make SDI file that will contain XPE partition. This file can be
loaded by ntldr. using int 13h in RAM. And then ntldr. will boot from it.
So there are no more problem regarding is this Flash, CD, USB, or Firewire,
or even network.

To do ram boot boot.ini should have:
ramdisk(0)\windows="XPE RAM" /fastdetect
/rdpath=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\image.sdi /rdimageoffset=245760

For testing purposes you can boot from any HDD in your device, and when it
start working you can use this sdi for Network, USB, or some custom boot
type.

rdpath path is the ARC path to partition that is holding sdi image. Beware
that when you do boot from USB that this ARC path is not the same as when
you look at it from windows.
rdimageoffset is offset to PART and sdimgr will give this number to you.

You must run FBA on volume with letter C: this is the limitation of RAM disk
driver.
You must include in TD Windows RAM Disk Driver.
Use FAT partition in SDI image.

And this is it (how to make sdi image is explained by MS).
You can find some info at:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/dnxpesp1/ht
ml/ram_sdi.asp
But custom boot loader is not what you need so read this just for info.

If you can pass step 4 and have any other question, just ask.

Best regards,
Slobodan

>
> > Kathryn,
> >
> > >I've an XPE image that runs just fine on the internal

> > hard
> > >drive of a USB enabled device (with the USB HD
> > >connected). If I put the image on the USB hard drive

> > and
> > >tell the BIOS to boot from it, I get the blue screen of
> > >death that tells me something's wrong with the
> > >configuration.

> >
> > Yes this is true.
> >
> > >What do I need to look at in reguards to the

> > configuration
> > >to make it boot from the USB hard drive? Is it even
> > >possible for XPE to do so?

> >
> > Answer: Yes and no.
> >
> > Yes, for it is even posible.
> >
> > No, because it will take you a lot of time to do that,
> > and final results depend on many things.
> >
> > I have done this. You can even find some guide lines I
> > have posted few weeks ago.
> >
> > If you have some RAM memory to spare, you can use SDI
> > file and boot from it using ramdisk.
> >
> > This works perfectly from USB disk wheter it is removable
> > or not.
> >
> > >Any help would be appreciated.

> >
> > Tell us more why do you need to boot XPE from USB disk.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Slobodan



 
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Anil Ingle
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      3rd Oct 2003
If you have a USB 2.0 hub this will not work.
-Anil - This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

"Kathryn Hall" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:0c9001c3885a$ff8227e0$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I've an XPE image that runs just fine on the internal hard
> drive of a USB enabled device (with the USB HD
> connected). If I put the image on the USB hard drive and
> tell the BIOS to boot from it, I get the blue screen of
> death that tells me something's wrong with the
> configuration.
>
> What do I need to look at in reguards to the configuration
> to make it boot from the USB hard drive? Is it even
> possible for XPE to do so? (If it makes any difference,
> it's USB 2.0...)
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
> -Kathryn



 
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