Defender seems to be built on a list of applications that have been deemed
safe / unsafe, and this is causing me some problems. For example, Defender
is happy to let Windows Messenger, Java Scheduler, Real Player Helper,
Quicktime Helper and many more add themselves to the Startup applications. I
DON'T WANT ANY OF THESE LOADED!

How can I *PERMANENTLY* disable all the items in the list above?

I think we - the users - should be able to choose which applications are
allowed onto the "don't prompt" list, or allow us to mark items as "never
allow".

Most of the items in the above list do not respect the users choice. They
install themselves without asking, and will re-install themselves if they
find their Startup item is missing. I - and I'm sure I'm not alone - find
this unacceptable!

Jon

It is extremely easy to permanently disable all the items you've listed.
Each of them is listed in Add or Remove programs--simply remove them. This
mechanism is already provided in Windows, and the vendors, being reputable,
have provided the uninstall choices needed--go ahead and use them!

--

"Jumpin'''' Jon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:05E12D0B-9392-4259-8AAB-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Defender seems to be built on a list of applications that have been deemed
> safe / unsafe, and this is causing me some problems. For example,
> Defender
> is happy to let Windows Messenger, Java Scheduler, Real Player Helper,
> Quicktime Helper and many more add themselves to the Startup applications.
> I
> DON'T WANT ANY OF THESE LOADED!
>
> How can I *PERMANENTLY* disable all the items in the list above?
>
> I think we - the users - should be able to choose which applications are
> allowed onto the "don't prompt" list, or allow us to mark items as "never
> allow".
>
> Most of the items in the above list do not respect the users choice. They
> install themselves without asking, and will re-install themselves if they
> find their Startup item is missing. I - and I'm sure I'm not alone - find
> this unacceptable!
>
> Jon

Any sensible replies?



"Bill Sanderson" wrote:

> It is extremely easy to permanently disable all the items you've listed.
> Each of them is listed in Add or Remove programs--simply remove them. This
> mechanism is already provided in Windows, and the vendors, being reputable,
> have provided the uninstall choices needed--go ahead and use them!
>
> --
>
> "Jumpin'''' Jon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:05E12D0B-9392-4259-8AAB-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Defender seems to be built on a list of applications that have been deemed
> > safe / unsafe, and this is causing me some problems. For example,
> > Defender
> > is happy to let Windows Messenger, Java Scheduler, Real Player Helper,
> > Quicktime Helper and many more add themselves to the Startup applications.
> > I
> > DON'T WANT ANY OF THESE LOADED!
> >
> > How can I *PERMANENTLY* disable all the items in the list above?
> >
> > I think we - the users - should be able to choose which applications are
> > allowed onto the "don't prompt" list, or allow us to mark items as "never
> > allow".
> >
> > Most of the items in the above list do not respect the users choice. They
> > install themselves without asking, and will re-install themselves if they
> > find their Startup item is missing. I - and I'm sure I'm not alone - find
> > this unacceptable!
> >
> > Jon
>
>
>

You are asking for functionality that Microsoft Antispyware simply isn't
designed to provide.

This isn't an infrequent request--I think I see it at least once a week
here. A knowledgable user finds that software that he/she has intentionally
installed, has aspects or parts or behaviors that they dislike. They want
Microsoft to provide something that will allow them to arbitrarily block
those executables or behaviors.

Microsoft Antispyware (or Windows Defender, as the name will be) is about
blocking software that transgresses a defined set of rules---classing it as
spyware, or potentially unwanted software, or any of several other terms.
It isn't a general purpose uninstaller or blocker.

--

"Jumpin'''' Jon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:E31046BE-F73F-46C6-B766-(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> Any sensible replies?
>
>
>
> "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
>
>> It is extremely easy to permanently disable all the items you've listed.
>> Each of them is listed in Add or Remove programs--simply remove them.
>> This
>> mechanism is already provided in Windows, and the vendors, being
>> reputable,
>> have provided the uninstall choices needed--go ahead and use them!
>>
>> --
>>
>> "Jumpin'''' Jon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:05E12D0B-9392-4259-8AAB-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > Defender seems to be built on a list of applications that have been
>> > deemed
>> > safe / unsafe, and this is causing me some problems. For example,
>> > Defender
>> > is happy to let Windows Messenger, Java Scheduler, Real Player Helper,
>> > Quicktime Helper and many more add themselves to the Startup
>> > applications.
>> > I
>> > DON'T WANT ANY OF THESE LOADED!
>> >
>> > How can I *PERMANENTLY* disable all the items in the list above?
>> >
>> > I think we - the users - should be able to choose which applications
>> > are
>> > allowed onto the "don't prompt" list, or allow us to mark items as
>> > "never
>> > allow".
>> >
>> > Most of the items in the above list do not respect the users choice.
>> > They
>> > install themselves without asking, and will re-install themselves if
>> > they
>> > find their Startup item is missing. I - and I'm sure I'm not alone -
>> > find
>> > this unacceptable!
>> >
>> > Jon
>>
>>
>>

The real answer is Not At this time. This suggestion has been made several
times by myself and other (hope MSFT adds this feature)

"Jumpin'''' Jon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:E31046BE-F73F-46C6-B766-(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> Any sensible replies?
>
>
>
> "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
>
>> It is extremely easy to permanently disable all the items you've listed.
>> Each of them is listed in Add or Remove programs--simply remove them.
>> This
>> mechanism is already provided in Windows, and the vendors, being
>> reputable,
>> have provided the uninstall choices needed--go ahead and use them!
>>
>> --
>>
>> "Jumpin'''' Jon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:05E12D0B-9392-4259-8AAB-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > Defender seems to be built on a list of applications that have been
>> > deemed
>> > safe / unsafe, and this is causing me some problems. For example,
>> > Defender
>> > is happy to let Windows Messenger, Java Scheduler, Real Player Helper,
>> > Quicktime Helper and many more add themselves to the Startup
>> > applications.
>> > I
>> > DON'T WANT ANY OF THESE LOADED!
>> >
>> > How can I *PERMANENTLY* disable all the items in the list above?
>> >
>> > I think we - the users - should be able to choose which applications
>> > are
>> > allowed onto the "don't prompt" list, or allow us to mark items as
>> > "never
>> > allow".
>> >
>> > Most of the items in the above list do not respect the users choice.
>> > They
>> > install themselves without asking, and will re-install themselves if
>> > they
>> > find their Startup item is missing. I - and I'm sure I'm not alone -
>> > find
>> > this unacceptable!
>> >
>> > Jon
>>
>>
>>

You're right, actually. The real answer is to request Real, Apple, Sun and
of Microsoft to be more 'respectful' of the User's preferences. Quicktime is
a classic example... the number of times I've had to re-remove qttask.exe is
just crazy. This is after setting the preference to turn off the Tray Icon.

Real is perhaps the worst offender - their Message Centre is truly a virus.

Anyway... I guess my original message should be more of a "please could it
do this in the future" than a support request on the current version.

Jon





"Bill Sanderson" wrote:

> You are asking for functionality that Microsoft Antispyware simply isn't
> designed to provide.
>
> This isn't an infrequent request--I think I see it at least once a week
> here. A knowledgable user finds that software that he/she has intentionally
> installed, has aspects or parts or behaviors that they dislike. They want
> Microsoft to provide something that will allow them to arbitrarily block
> those executables or behaviors.
>
> Microsoft Antispyware (or Windows Defender, as the name will be) is about
> blocking software that transgresses a defined set of rules---classing it as
> spyware, or potentially unwanted software, or any of several other terms.
> It isn't a general purpose uninstaller or blocker.
>
> --
>
> "Jumpin'''' Jon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:E31046BE-F73F-46C6-B766-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> > Any sensible replies?
> >
> >
> >
> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
> >
> >> It is extremely easy to permanently disable all the items you've listed.
> >> Each of them is listed in Add or Remove programs--simply remove them.
> >> This
> >> mechanism is already provided in Windows, and the vendors, being
> >> reputable,
> >> have provided the uninstall choices needed--go ahead and use them!
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> "Jumpin'''' Jon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news:05E12D0B-9392-4259-8AAB-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > Defender seems to be built on a list of applications that have been
> >> > deemed
> >> > safe / unsafe, and this is causing me some problems. For example,
> >> > Defender
> >> > is happy to let Windows Messenger, Java Scheduler, Real Player Helper,
> >> > Quicktime Helper and many more add themselves to the Startup
> >> > applications.
> >> > I
> >> > DON'T WANT ANY OF THESE LOADED!
> >> >
> >> > How can I *PERMANENTLY* disable all the items in the list above?
> >> >
> >> > I think we - the users - should be able to choose which applications
> >> > are
> >> > allowed onto the "don't prompt" list, or allow us to mark items as
> >> > "never
> >> > allow".
> >> >
> >> > Most of the items in the above list do not respect the users choice.
> >> > They
> >> > install themselves without asking, and will re-install themselves if
> >> > they
> >> > find their Startup item is missing. I - and I'm sure I'm not alone -
> >> > find
> >> > this unacceptable!
> >> >
> >> > Jon
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

It's a logical feature request, for sure. I don't think you are going to
see this from Microsoft--they are about building a platform that supports
everybody equally.

It is possible via group policy settings to block a specific executable--I'm
tempted to try that out for qttask.exe

OK--I've run (on XP Pro--I think this isn't available on XP Home)
secpol.msc, and under Security Settings, Software Restriction policies,
Additional Rules, I've added a path rule specifying \program
files\quicktime\qttask.exe.

If this is the right place, I suspect this will be effective. However, it
may also completely prevent Quicktime from working, which isn't my aim, or,
I presume, yours..

Hmm - did two tests. I went to apples site, quicktime tab, and picked the
latest ipod commercial--on the left. I got a bit of music, but a blank
window, and IE locked up solid.

I then went to My Documents and grabbed gertie.MOV--the movie of the Tacoma
Narrows bridge collapse--and that opened in the player and worked fine.

I then removed the rule (using gpupdate /force between changes)

Galloping Gertie continued to work fine, and the commercial now prompted me
to acquire an additional piece of quicktime, which I declined.

So--I consider this test equivocal--but that (policy rules) is one angle you
can choose to go at this kind of issue, if you've got the pro Windows
versions.


--

"Jumpin'''' Jon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:3F58E7FE-FA84-4E27-8A34-(E-Mail Removed)...
> You're right, actually. The real answer is to request Real, Apple, Sun
> and
> of Microsoft to be more 'respectful' of the User's preferences. Quicktime
> is
> a classic example... the number of times I've had to re-remove qttask.exe
> is
> just crazy. This is after setting the preference to turn off the Tray
> Icon.
>
> Real is perhaps the worst offender - their Message Centre is truly a
> virus.
>
> Anyway... I guess my original message should be more of a "please could
> it
> do this in the future" than a support request on the current version.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
> "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
>
>> You are asking for functionality that Microsoft Antispyware simply isn't
>> designed to provide.
>>
>> This isn't an infrequent request--I think I see it at least once a week
>> here. A knowledgable user finds that software that he/she has
>> intentionally
>> installed, has aspects or parts or behaviors that they dislike. They
>> want
>> Microsoft to provide something that will allow them to arbitrarily block
>> those executables or behaviors.
>>
>> Microsoft Antispyware (or Windows Defender, as the name will be) is about
>> blocking software that transgresses a defined set of rules---classing it
>> as
>> spyware, or potentially unwanted software, or any of several other terms.
>> It isn't a general purpose uninstaller or blocker.
>>
>> --
>>
>> "Jumpin'''' Jon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:E31046BE-F73F-46C6-B766-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >
>> > Any sensible replies?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
>> >
>> >> It is extremely easy to permanently disable all the items you've
>> >> listed.
>> >> Each of them is listed in Add or Remove programs--simply remove them.
>> >> This
>> >> mechanism is already provided in Windows, and the vendors, being
>> >> reputable,
>> >> have provided the uninstall choices needed--go ahead and use them!
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> "Jumpin'''' Jon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> news:05E12D0B-9392-4259-8AAB-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> > Defender seems to be built on a list of applications that have been
>> >> > deemed
>> >> > safe / unsafe, and this is causing me some problems. For example,
>> >> > Defender
>> >> > is happy to let Windows Messenger, Java Scheduler, Real Player
>> >> > Helper,
>> >> > Quicktime Helper and many more add themselves to the Startup
>> >> > applications.
>> >> > I
>> >> > DON'T WANT ANY OF THESE LOADED!
>> >> >
>> >> > How can I *PERMANENTLY* disable all the items in the list above?
>> >> >
>> >> > I think we - the users - should be able to choose which applications
>> >> > are
>> >> > allowed onto the "don't prompt" list, or allow us to mark items as
>> >> > "never
>> >> > allow".
>> >> >
>> >> > Most of the items in the above list do not respect the users choice.
>> >> > They
>> >> > install themselves without asking, and will re-install themselves if
>> >> > they
>> >> > find their Startup item is missing. I - and I'm sure I'm not
>> >> > alone -
>> >> > find
>> >> > this unacceptable!
>> >> >
>> >> > Jon
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

Hi Jon.

Why don't you get Real Alternative and QuickTime Alternative instead? You
will not be bothered with qttask.exe and Real's Message centre.
Here you have them...
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...lternative.htm
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...lternative.htm

Kind regards...Gunilla.

"Jumpin'''' Jon" <(E-Mail Removed)> skrev i meddelandet
news:3F58E7FE-FA84-4E27-8A34-(E-Mail Removed)...
> You're right, actually. The real answer is to request Real, Apple, Sun
> and
> of Microsoft to be more 'respectful' of the User's preferences. Quicktime
> is
> a classic example... the number of times I've had to re-remove qttask.exe
> is
> just crazy. This is after setting the preference to turn off the Tray
> Icon.
>
> Real is perhaps the worst offender - their Message Centre is truly a
> virus.
>
> Anyway... I guess my original message should be more of a "please could
> it
> do this in the future" than a support request on the current version.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
<Snipped>

Some programs require real and quicktime (example: America Online and
others)

"Gunilla" <kakaomumsathotmaildotcom> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi Jon.
>
> Why don't you get Real Alternative and QuickTime Alternative instead? You
> will not be bothered with qttask.exe and Real's Message centre.
> Here you have them...
> http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...lternative.htm
> http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...lternative.htm
>
> Kind regards...Gunilla.
>
> "Jumpin'''' Jon" <(E-Mail Removed)> skrev i meddelandet
> news:3F58E7FE-FA84-4E27-8A34-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> You're right, actually. The real answer is to request Real, Apple, Sun
>> and
>> of Microsoft to be more 'respectful' of the User's preferences.
>> Quicktime is
>> a classic example... the number of times I've had to re-remove qttask.exe
>> is
>> just crazy. This is after setting the preference to turn off the Tray
>> Icon.
>>
>> Real is perhaps the worst offender - their Message Centre is truly a
>> virus.
>>
>> Anyway... I guess my original message should be more of a "please could
>> it
>> do this in the future" than a support request on the current version.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
> <Snipped>
>

Okay, I see but does it requires the original programs? The other
ones are, from what I understand, just as suiteable but I may be
wrong.

Regards...Gunilla.

"JoeM" <(E-Mail Removed)> skrev i meddelandet
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Some programs require real and quicktime (example: America Online
> and others)
>
> "Gunilla" <kakaomumsathotmaildotcom> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi Jon.
>>
>> Why don't you get Real Alternative and QuickTime Alternative
>> instead? You will not be bothered with qttask.exe and Real's
>> Message centre.
>> Here you have them...
>> http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...lternative.htm
>> http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...lternative.htm
>>
>> Kind regards...Gunilla.
<Snipped>
>>
>
>