Norm Dresner wrote:
> "Norm Dresner" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
>>I have a board whose manufacturer's documentation (which is moderately old
>>and probably has never been updated) says that the board supports socket
>
> 370
>
>>Pentium II CPU's. Am I likely to be successful in using a socket 370
>
> P-III
>
>>with this board or are they simply incompatible?
>>
>>Thanks in Advance
>>
>> Norm
>
>
> I finally tracked down documentation that's probably for the board
> that's labeled "P-II SBC" and it explicitly says that the board supports
> Celerons and P-III CPU's so the question of using a P-II in that board's
> Socket 370 is mooted. But the other board's [It's a CI7BM] documentation --
> verifiably from the manufacturer -- says in one place that the board accepts
> a Pentium-II and in another place says that is supports a Celeron (and
> Coppermine with later versions as well).
> I have seen a few Socket 370 P-II CPU's being sold on eBay lately so I
> know that they exist.

Could you post links? Intel is under the impression they don't exist.

But since my goal is for the best [i.e. fastest]
> processor I can get, I'm certainly going to use a P-III in the first one and
> will also try one in the second -- since the documentation says that the
> board's CPU voltage is selectable and that the selection includes 2.0v so I
> should be okay electrically.
> If the results are anything but positive, I'll post again, otherwise
> assume that I'm successful.
>
> Thanks to all for information and suggestions.
> Norm
>

Norm Dresner wrote:

> I have seen a few Socket 370 P-II CPU's being sold on eBay lately so I
> know that they exist.

..


Unfortunately, people frequently misidentify and mislabel stuff on Ebay. Why
don't you post some links to these "Socket 370 P-II CPU's" that you have seen on
Ebay.

"steven67@" <steven67@REMOVE_THISmindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Norm Dresner wrote:
>
> > I have seen a few Socket 370 P-II CPU's being sold on eBay lately so
I
> > know that they exist.
>
> .
>
>
> Unfortunately, people frequently misidentify and mislabel stuff on Ebay.
Why
> don't you post some links to these "Socket 370 P-II CPU's" that you have
seen on
> Ebay.
>

As soon as I see another, I'll do that.

Norm Dresner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> "Norm Dresner" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> processor I can get, I'm certainly going to use a P-III in the first one and
> will also try one in the second -- since the documentation says that the
> board's CPU voltage is selectable and that the selection includes 2.0v so I
> should be okay electrically.

Do the voltages include settings below 2V? If they do, there is a good
chance you'll be able to use the (100mhz FSB) coppermine cores as well as
the older P-IIIs. Check the spec-finder on Intel's site to match the
voltage to the model.

--
Nate Edel http://www.nkedel.com/

"I do have a cause though. It is obscenity. I'm for it." - Tom Lehrer

Norm Dresner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> "steven67@" <steven67@REMOVE_THISmindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:403FBB15.C6CEB534@REMOVE_THISmindspring.com...
> > Norm Dresner wrote:
> > > I have seen a few Socket 370 P-II CPU's being sold on eBay lately
> > > so I know that they exist.
> >
> > Unfortunately, people frequently misidentify and mislabel stuff on Ebay.
> > Why don't you post some links to these "Socket 370 P-II CPU's" that you
> > have seen on Ebay.
>
> As soon as I see another, I'll do that.

The most likely candidate for the mistake is a Mendocino-core Celeron;
compared to the P-IIs at the time, they were impressively quick chips --
128k cache, at full core speed, rather than 256k at 1/2 core speed, worked
nicely.

--
Nate Edel http://www.nkedel.com/

"I do have a cause though. It is obscenity. I'm for it." - Tom Lehrer

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:22:51 GMT, "Norm Dresner" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:
> I have seen a few Socket 370 P-II CPU's being sold on eBay lately so I
>know that they exist.

I remember seeing the Ark of the Covenant being sold on eBay not too
long ago, as well as many other non-existent things. That doesn't
mean that I believe the seller, nor would I particularly believe the
seller of these "Socket 370 PII" CPUs.

10-bucks says that they're Celeron processors.

-------------
Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca

"Norm Dresner" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:4Sx_b.80560$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I have a board whose manufacturer's documentation (which is moderately old
> and probably has never been updated) says that the board supports socket
370
> Pentium II CPU's. Am I likely to be successful in using a socket 370
P-III
> with this board or are they simply incompatible?
>
> Thanks in Advance
>
> Norm
>

There were never Socket 370 Pentium IIs. At the time of the P2, there was
Slot 1 for P2 and Celeron. Then Socket 370 came out, and it was almost
exclusivley Celerons. It wasn't until the introduction of Coppermine that a
Pentium returned to socket form since the original Pentium (and Pro, for
those being technical). At that time, they were well away from the P2, so
it remained that P2 was only manufactured in a Slot 1 housing.

That said, it is unlikely the board supports Coppermine based P3s (which is
all Socket 370 P3s), or Coppermine based Celerons. The Tualatin based chips
are completly out of the question.

First, I'd check to see if it is a Socket 370 board or Slot 1 board. The P2
part is throwing me off, so I'm unsure what you exactly have. Second, check
for a newer BIOS, and see what it says it adds.

See what voltages and bus speeds are available. If you can get these
correct, then there is a BIOS upgrade that supports Coppermines, you
shouldn't have any trouble going to a 1GHz P3. If you do, in fact, have a
Slot 1 board (which is what I have as a spare, but it uses a Socket 370 chip
which is in a 'Slocket' to adapt the two together), then you will need to
get a new Slocket.

Even if your board doesn't support the older (but newer in your PC's world)
Coppermine based chips, you can still use them. Actually, you can even use
the Tualatins, which went to 1.4GHz (which costs $185 alone; you can get
1.13GHz for $55, and 1.2GHz for $85) but you need to use a Poweleap adapter.
I used one on my spare PC to get it from a Celeron 400 to a P3 850, since it
supported the 100MHz bus but didn't support support Coppermine or voltages.
The Tualatins, though, tend to use a 133MHz bus. If your board supported
that, then it would be very unique, since P2 boards only went to 100MHz bus.

My reccomendation, evaluate what you really need, how much you want to
spend, and what your board can support (ie, check voltages, bus speed,
compare with the CPU cores -- ie Coppermine, Tualatin, but you're probably
going to be looking more at Katmai [P3 450-600 *Slot 1* only] and stuff from
those days). I just layed down $480 and got myself a new board, 512MB of
DDR, a 3000+ Athlon, a new powersupply, and a heatsink, on top of teh $300
about 3 months ago for 2 new hard drives, and this setup should last me a
while.