My layer layout is moving on some newer computers, someone suggested I use
the tables layout, so I am willing to make the changes, but I have alot of
pages to change. Is there any way to lock them in place where they are
located?

See www.theroofmasters.com it seems to only happen on new computers, and I
have the latest browser, but I am missing something in my design.

I didn't see any problem, other than the fact that some layers would not
initially display where they belonged, but as soon as the page finished
loading, they jumped to their correct positions. After that, nothing moved.

The site is using absolute CSS positioning to position the layers, and they
will not move.

Now, if you're concerned about the fact that they start out in a different
location, there's not much you can do about that. The initial position is
going to be based upon the rules of HTML, which means that the layers (which
are HTML divs) will appear in the order in which they appear in the HTML,
until the CSS puts them where they belong.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
You can lead a fish to a bicycle,
but it takes a very long time,
and the bicycle has to *want* to change.

"michaelangelo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
newsA9CA3C8-C135-4B5B-800E-(E-Mail Removed)...
> My layer layout is moving on some newer computers, someone suggested I use
> the tables layout, so I am willing to make the changes, but I have alot of
> pages to change. Is there any way to lock them in place where they are
> located?
>
> See www.theroofmasters.com it seems to only happen on new computers, and I
> have the latest browser, but I am missing something in my design.

> which means that the layers (which are HTML divs) will appear in the order
> in which they appear in the HTML, until the CSS puts them where they
> belong.

I don't think that's correct. This is why CSS goes in the head of the page.
This allows absolute positioning to be rendered in place.

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Murray
============

"Kevin Spencer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>I didn't see any problem, other than the fact that some layers would not
>initially display where they belonged, but as soon as the page finished
>loading, they jumped to their correct positions. After that, nothing moved.
>
> The site is using absolute CSS positioning to position the layers, and
> they will not move.
>
> Now, if you're concerned about the fact that they start out in a different
> location, there's not much you can do about that. The initial position is
> going to be based upon the rules of HTML, which means that the layers
> (which are HTML divs) will appear in the order in which they appear in the
> HTML, until the CSS puts them where they belong.
>
> --
> HTH,
>
> Kevin Spencer
> Microsoft MVP
> .Net Developer
> You can lead a fish to a bicycle,
> but it takes a very long time,
> and the bicycle has to *want* to change.
>
> "michaelangelo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> newsA9CA3C8-C135-4B5B-800E-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> My layer layout is moving on some newer computers, someone suggested I
>> use
>> the tables layout, so I am willing to make the changes, but I have alot
>> of
>> pages to change. Is there any way to lock them in place where they are
>> located?
>>
>> See www.theroofmasters.com it seems to only happen on new computers, and
>> I
>> have the latest browser, but I am missing something in my design.
>
>

One great reason for not using layers like you have is seen if you browse to
your page in Firefox or Safari, and resize the text. You quickly get an
overlapping mess.

The only thing I saw moving around was this -

http://www.theroofmasters.com/index_files/image002.gif

and that's probably because of the vml stuff there....

--
Murray
============

"michaelangelo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
newsA9CA3C8-C135-4B5B-800E-(E-Mail Removed)...
> My layer layout is moving on some newer computers, someone suggested I use
> the tables layout, so I am willing to make the changes, but I have alot of
> pages to change. Is there any way to lock them in place where they are
> located?
>
> See www.theroofmasters.com it seems to only happen on new computers, and I
> have the latest browser, but I am missing something in my design.

Thank you Kevin, the issue isn't that they don't start out just right most of
the time. On five different computers around me it show up correct, but on
the new computer with the flat screen it show up out of place every time.
But, I love using the layer like a text box incert so I can place it exactly
where I want.
When I start a new page I have been simply incerting layers, no tables
nothing.
Is that the wrong way to do that? I have found the abosolute button, but
does that lock that layer exactly where I put it?

"Kevin Spencer" wrote:

> I didn't see any problem, other than the fact that some layers would not
> initially display where they belonged, but as soon as the page finished
> loading, they jumped to their correct positions. After that, nothing moved.
>
> The site is using absolute CSS positioning to position the layers, and they
> will not move.
>
> Now, if you're concerned about the fact that they start out in a different
> location, there's not much you can do about that. The initial position is
> going to be based upon the rules of HTML, which means that the layers (which
> are HTML divs) will appear in the order in which they appear in the HTML,
> until the CSS puts them where they belong.
>
> --
> HTH,
>
> Kevin Spencer
> Microsoft MVP
> ..Net Developer
> You can lead a fish to a bicycle,
> but it takes a very long time,
> and the bicycle has to *want* to change.
>
> "michaelangelo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> newsA9CA3C8-C135-4B5B-800E-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > My layer layout is moving on some newer computers, someone suggested I use
> > the tables layout, so I am willing to make the changes, but I have alot of
> > pages to change. Is there any way to lock them in place where they are
> > located?
> >
> > See www.theroofmasters.com it seems to only happen on new computers, and I
> > have the latest browser, but I am missing something in my design.
>
>
>

> Is that the wrong way to do that?

Yes. Don't use layers to hold text content....

--
Murray
============

"michaelangelo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:4DB9AC82-3972-40B6-B9C8-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Thank you Kevin, the issue isn't that they don't start out just right most
> of
> the time. On five different computers around me it show up correct, but on
> the new computer with the flat screen it show up out of place every time.
> But, I love using the layer like a text box incert so I can place it
> exactly
> where I want.
> When I start a new page I have been simply incerting layers, no tables
> nothing.
> Is that the wrong way to do that? I have found the abosolute button, but
> does that lock that layer exactly where I put it?
>
> "Kevin Spencer" wrote:
>
>> I didn't see any problem, other than the fact that some layers would not
>> initially display where they belonged, but as soon as the page finished
>> loading, they jumped to their correct positions. After that, nothing
>> moved.
>>
>> The site is using absolute CSS positioning to position the layers, and
>> they
>> will not move.
>>
>> Now, if you're concerned about the fact that they start out in a
>> different
>> location, there's not much you can do about that. The initial position is
>> going to be based upon the rules of HTML, which means that the layers
>> (which
>> are HTML divs) will appear in the order in which they appear in the HTML,
>> until the CSS puts them where they belong.
>>
>> --
>> HTH,
>>
>> Kevin Spencer
>> Microsoft MVP
>> ..Net Developer
>> You can lead a fish to a bicycle,
>> but it takes a very long time,
>> and the bicycle has to *want* to change.
>>
>> "michaelangelo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> message
>> newsA9CA3C8-C135-4B5B-800E-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > My layer layout is moving on some newer computers, someone suggested I
>> > use
>> > the tables layout, so I am willing to make the changes, but I have alot
>> > of
>> > pages to change. Is there any way to lock them in place where they are
>> > located?
>> >
>> > See www.theroofmasters.com it seems to only happen on new computers,
>> > and I
>> > have the latest browser, but I am missing something in my design.
>>
>>
>>

Thank you, I went and walked through all the training on tables at the
training site and will change my ways and also add other browsers to my
computer to view what I create.

"Murray" wrote:

> One great reason for not using layers like you have is seen if you browse to
> your page in Firefox or Safari, and resize the text. You quickly get an
> overlapping mess.
>
> The only thing I saw moving around was this -
>
> http://www.theroofmasters.com/index_files/image002.gif
>
> and that's probably because of the vml stuff there....
>
> --
> Murray
> ============
>
> "michaelangelo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> newsA9CA3C8-C135-4B5B-800E-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > My layer layout is moving on some newer computers, someone suggested I use
> > the tables layout, so I am willing to make the changes, but I have alot of
> > pages to change. Is there any way to lock them in place where they are
> > located?
> >
> > See www.theroofmasters.com it seems to only happen on new computers, and I
> > have the latest browser, but I am missing something in my design.
>
>
>

Good going. This will get you started until you can learn how to use CSS
(not layers) for layout....

--
Murray
============

"michaelangelo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:7B44A245-ED10-4A30-8452-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Thank you, I went and walked through all the training on tables at the
> training site and will change my ways and also add other browsers to my
> computer to view what I create.
>
> "Murray" wrote:
>
>> One great reason for not using layers like you have is seen if you browse
>> to
>> your page in Firefox or Safari, and resize the text. You quickly get an
>> overlapping mess.
>>
>> The only thing I saw moving around was this -
>>
>> http://www.theroofmasters.com/index_files/image002.gif
>>
>> and that's probably because of the vml stuff there....
>>
>> --
>> Murray
>> ============
>>
>> "michaelangelo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> message
>> newsA9CA3C8-C135-4B5B-800E-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > My layer layout is moving on some newer computers, someone suggested I
>> > use
>> > the tables layout, so I am willing to make the changes, but I have alot
>> > of
>> > pages to change. Is there any way to lock them in place where they are
>> > located?
>> >
>> > See www.theroofmasters.com it seems to only happen on new computers,
>> > and I
>> > have the latest browser, but I am missing something in my design.
>>
>>
>>