I am posting this question to these two newsgroups for hardware related
questions related to WXP and W95. The Windows 95 newsgroups seem to be
dead understandably.

I have a rack-mounted PC with WXP pre-loaded on it. The motherboard
has Extended ISA slots and PCI slots. The
processor/memory/video/external connections are actually on an
expansion card that plugs into the motherboard. There are USB, PS2,
serial, parallel ports all connected to the processor board. The hard
drive is serial ATA and the CD-ROM is IDE.

This is what I need to do and need some guidance as to whether it can
be done.

I want to make this machine a dual-boot system with WXP/W95. I need to
use the extended IDE slots with the W95 installation and the PCI slots
with the WXP installation. The reason I need a W95 installation is the
application I must use is written for W95 and queries the bus
architecture looking for this ISA expansion board and will not work
with WXP. I also need WXP because it will perform the same function
but with the application written for WXP only. So far I have not been
able to make WXP recognize the PS2 mouse or keyboard when they are
plugged in. I can use the keyboard to access the BIOS and navigate
around although it's not as responsive as it should be.

Here are some basic questions:

1. Can I partition the S-ATA drive without destroying the current WXP
installation?

2. Can I install and run W95 from the partitioned S-ATA drive?

3. Can W95 use the onboard video port or even a separate PCI video
card?

4. How do I get both OSes to use the same keyboard and mouse? I
can't remember if W95 supports PS2 and am rather certain it doesn't
support USB.

5 Am I better off installing a secondary IDE hard drive for W95 and
how would I make it boot from that drive?

This endeavour is becoming more complicated as I delve into it but am
hopeful it can be accomplished. Thanks for any feedback and any
gotchas.

philo wrote:

>badgolferman wrote:
>>I am posting this question to these two newsgroups for hardware
>>related questions related to WXP and W95. The Windows 95
>>newsgroups seem to be dead understandably.
>>
>>I have a rack-mounted PC with WXP pre-loaded on it. The motherboard
>>has Extended ISA slots and PCI slots. The
>>processor/memory/video/external connections are actually on an
>>expansion card that plugs into the motherboard. There are USB, PS2,
>>serial, parallel ports all connected to the processor board. The
>>hard drive is serial ATA and the CD-ROM is IDE.
>>
>>This is what I need to do and need some guidance as to whether it
>>can be done.
>>
>>I want to make this machine a dual-boot system with WXP/W95. I
>>need to use the extended IDE slots with the W95 installation and
>>the PCI slots with the WXP installation. The reason I need a W95
>>installation is the application I must use is written for W95 and
>>queries the bus architecture looking for this ISA expansion board
>>and will not work with WXP. I also need WXP because it will
>>perform the same function but with the application written for WXP
>>only. So far I have not been able to make WXP recognize the PS2
>>mouse or keyboard when they are plugged in. I can use the keyboard
>>to access the BIOS and navigate around although it's not as
>>responsive as it should be.
>>
>>Here are some basic questions:
>>
>>1. Can I partition the S-ATA drive without destroying the current
>>WXP installation?
>>
>>2. Can I install and run W95 from the partitioned S-ATA drive?
>>
>>3. Can W95 use the onboard video port or even a separate PCI video
>>card?
>>
>>4. How do I get both OSes to use the same keyboard and mouse? I
>>can't remember if W95 supports PS2 and am rather certain it doesn't
>>support USB.
>>
>>5 Am I better off installing a secondary IDE hard drive for W95
>>and how would I make it boot from that drive?
>>
>>This endeavour is becoming more complicated as I delve into it but
>>am hopeful it can be accomplished. Thanks for any feedback and any
>>gotchas.
>>
>>
>
>
>Not likely you'll ever find win95 SATA drivers...
>
>
>I'd disconnect your XP drive and install win95 on an ide drive
>and see if you can get it to work that way,
>
>If you get win95 installed ok
>then hook up your SATA drive and you will need to boot to XP and
>modify the boot loader
>
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/289022
>
>
>Though that should work, if it does not...
>you may be able to select the boot drive in the bios


I have followed your suggestion and installed another drive. It is a
100 GB drive but I partitioned it to 2 GB and formatted to FAT16. I
get WIN95 installed but it won't boot. It complains that there is
insufficient memory and to remove unnnecessary entries from
autoexec.bat, config.sys files. The computer has at least 4 GB RAM and
there are no autoexec, config files in the root directory. I feel
rather certain WIN95 can't handle that amount of RAM and isn't mapping
it correctly, hence the error message. Any suggestions?

badgolferman wrote:
> philo wrote:
>
>> badgolferman wrote:
>>> I am posting this question to these two newsgroups for hardware
>>> related questions related to WXP and W95. The Windows 95
>>> newsgroups seem to be dead understandably.
>>>
>>> I have a rack-mounted PC with WXP pre-loaded on it. The motherboard
>>> has Extended ISA slots and PCI slots. The
>>> processor/memory/video/external connections are actually on an
>>> expansion card that plugs into the motherboard. There are USB, PS2,
>>> serial, parallel ports all connected to the processor board. The
>>> hard drive is serial ATA and the CD-ROM is IDE.
>>>
>>> This is what I need to do and need some guidance as to whether it
>>> can be done.
>>>
>>> I want to make this machine a dual-boot system with WXP/W95. I
>>> need to use the extended IDE slots with the W95 installation and
>>> the PCI slots with the WXP installation. The reason I need a W95
>>> installation is the application I must use is written for W95 and
>>> queries the bus architecture looking for this ISA expansion board
>>> and will not work with WXP. I also need WXP because it will
>>> perform the same function but with the application written for WXP
>>> only. So far I have not been able to make WXP recognize the PS2
>>> mouse or keyboard when they are plugged in. I can use the keyboard
>>> to access the BIOS and navigate around although it's not as
>>> responsive as it should be.
>>>
>>> Here are some basic questions:
>>>
>>> 1. Can I partition the S-ATA drive without destroying the current
>>> WXP installation?
>>>
>>> 2. Can I install and run W95 from the partitioned S-ATA drive?
>>>
>>> 3. Can W95 use the onboard video port or even a separate PCI video
>>> card?
>>>
>>> 4. How do I get both OSes to use the same keyboard and mouse? I
>>> can't remember if W95 supports PS2 and am rather certain it doesn't
>>> support USB.
>>>
>>> 5 Am I better off installing a secondary IDE hard drive for W95
>>> and how would I make it boot from that drive?
>>>
>>> This endeavour is becoming more complicated as I delve into it but
>>> am hopeful it can be accomplished. Thanks for any feedback and any
>>> gotchas.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Not likely you'll ever find win95 SATA drivers...
>>
>>
>> I'd disconnect your XP drive and install win95 on an ide drive
>> and see if you can get it to work that way,
>>
>> If you get win95 installed ok
>> then hook up your SATA drive and you will need to boot to XP and
>> modify the boot loader
>>
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/289022
>>
>>
>> Though that should work, if it does not...
>> you may be able to select the boot drive in the bios
>
>
> I have followed your suggestion and installed another drive. It is a
> 100 GB drive but I partitioned it to 2 GB and formatted to FAT16. I
> get WIN95 installed but it won't boot. It complains that there is
> insufficient memory and to remove unnnecessary entries from
> autoexec.bat, config.sys files. The computer has at least 4 GB RAM and
> there are no autoexec, config files in the root directory. I feel
> rather certain WIN95 can't handle that amount of RAM and isn't mapping
> it correctly, hence the error message. Any suggestions?
>
>
Open a sizeable ramdisk in config.sys,leaving 500mb to win95.
That should do it.
If not,there is also something in the system.ini?? file needing
editing, but I cant remember what it is, about memorysize/limit.

Sjouke Burry wrote:

>badgolferman wrote:
>>philo wrote:
>>
>>>badgolferman wrote:
>>>>I am posting this question to these two newsgroups for hardware
>>>>related questions related to WXP and W95. The Windows 95
>>>>newsgroups seem to be dead understandably.
>>>>
>>>>I have a rack-mounted PC with WXP pre-loaded on it. The
>>>>motherboard has Extended ISA slots and PCI slots. The
>>>>processor/memory/video/external connections are actually on an
>>>>expansion card that plugs into the motherboard. There are USB,
>>>>PS2, serial, parallel ports all connected to the processor
>>>>board. The hard drive is serial ATA and the CD-ROM is IDE.
>>>>
>>>>This is what I need to do and need some guidance as to whether
>>>>it can be done.
>>>>
>>>>I want to make this machine a dual-boot system with WXP/W95. I
>>>>need to use the extended IDE slots with the W95 installation and
>>>>the PCI slots with the WXP installation. The reason I need a
>>>>W95 installation is the application I must use is written for
>>>>W95 and queries the bus architecture looking for this ISA
>>>>expansion board and will not work with WXP. I also need WXP
>>>>because it will perform the same function but with the
>>>>application written for WXP only. So far I have not been able
>>>>to make WXP recognize the PS2 mouse or keyboard when they are
>>>>plugged in. I can use the keyboard to access the BIOS and
>>>>navigate around although it's not as responsive as it should be.
>>>>
>>>>Here are some basic questions:
>>>>
>>>>1. Can I partition the S-ATA drive without destroying the
>>>>current WXP installation?
>>>>
>>>>2. Can I install and run W95 from the partitioned S-ATA drive?
>>>>
>>>>3. Can W95 use the onboard video port or even a separate PCI
>>>>video card?
>>>>
>>>>4. How do I get both OSes to use the same keyboard and mouse?
>>>>I can't remember if W95 supports PS2 and am rather certain it
>>>>doesn't support USB.
>>>>
>>>>5 Am I better off installing a secondary IDE hard drive for
>>>>W95 and how would I make it boot from that drive?
>>>>
>>>>This endeavour is becoming more complicated as I delve into it
>>>>but am hopeful it can be accomplished. Thanks for any feedback
>>>>and any gotchas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Not likely you'll ever find win95 SATA drivers...
>>>
>>>
>>>I'd disconnect your XP drive and install win95 on an ide drive
>>>and see if you can get it to work that way,
>>>
>>>If you get win95 installed ok
>>>then hook up your SATA drive and you will need to boot to XP and
>>>modify the boot loader
>>>
>>>
>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/289022
>>>
>>>
>>>Though that should work, if it does not...
>>>you may be able to select the boot drive in the bios
>>
>>
>>I have followed your suggestion and installed another drive. It is
>>a 100 GB drive but I partitioned it to 2 GB and formatted to FAT16.
>>I get WIN95 installed but it won't boot. It complains that there is
>>insufficient memory and to remove unnnecessary entries from
>>autoexec.bat, config.sys files. The computer has at least 4 GB RAM
>>and there are no autoexec, config files in the root directory. I
>>feel rather certain WIN95 can't handle that amount of RAM and isn't
>>mapping it correctly, hence the error message. Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>Open a sizeable ramdisk in config.sys,leaving 500mb to win95.
>That should do it.
>If not,there is also something in the system.ini?? file needing
>editing, but I cant remember what it is, about memorysize/limit.

I do not have a config.sys or autoexec.bat. Do you think I should
create them?

I found a MS KB article instructing me to add the line
MaxPhysPage=20000 in the [386enh] section of the system.ini which I did
but all that did was set me back even further with a Windows Protection
Error now.

--
"What's right is what's left if you do everything wrong." ~ Robin
Williams

badgolferman wrote:
> Sjouke Burry wrote:
>
>> badgolferman wrote:
>>> philo wrote:
>>>
>>>> badgolferman wrote:
>>>>> I am posting this question to these two newsgroups for hardware
>>>>> related questions related to WXP and W95. The Windows 95
>>>>> newsgroups seem to be dead understandably.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a rack-mounted PC with WXP pre-loaded on it. The
>>>>> motherboard has Extended ISA slots and PCI slots. The
>>>>> processor/memory/video/external connections are actually on an
>>>>> expansion card that plugs into the motherboard. There are USB,
>>>>> PS2, serial, parallel ports all connected to the processor
>>>>> board. The hard drive is serial ATA and the CD-ROM is IDE.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is what I need to do and need some guidance as to whether
>>>>> it can be done.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to make this machine a dual-boot system with WXP/W95. I
>>>>> need to use the extended IDE slots with the W95 installation and
>>>>> the PCI slots with the WXP installation. The reason I need a
>>>>> W95 installation is the application I must use is written for
>>>>> W95 and queries the bus architecture looking for this ISA
>>>>> expansion board and will not work with WXP. I also need WXP
>>>>> because it will perform the same function but with the
>>>>> application written for WXP only. So far I have not been able
>>>>> to make WXP recognize the PS2 mouse or keyboard when they are
>>>>> plugged in. I can use the keyboard to access the BIOS and
>>>>> navigate around although it's not as responsive as it should be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are some basic questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Can I partition the S-ATA drive without destroying the
>>>>> current WXP installation?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Can I install and run W95 from the partitioned S-ATA drive?
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Can W95 use the onboard video port or even a separate PCI
>>>>> video card?
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. How do I get both OSes to use the same keyboard and mouse?
>>>>> I can't remember if W95 supports PS2 and am rather certain it
>>>>> doesn't support USB.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5 Am I better off installing a secondary IDE hard drive for
>>>>> W95 and how would I make it boot from that drive?
>>>>>
>>>>> This endeavour is becoming more complicated as I delve into it
>>>>> but am hopeful it can be accomplished. Thanks for any feedback
>>>>> and any gotchas.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Not likely you'll ever find win95 SATA drivers...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd disconnect your XP drive and install win95 on an ide drive
>>>> and see if you can get it to work that way,
>>>>
>>>> If you get win95 installed ok
>>>> then hook up your SATA drive and you will need to boot to XP and
>>>> modify the boot loader
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/289022
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Though that should work, if it does not...
>>>> you may be able to select the boot drive in the bios
>>>
>>> I have followed your suggestion and installed another drive. It is
>>> a 100 GB drive but I partitioned it to 2 GB and formatted to FAT16.
>>> I get WIN95 installed but it won't boot. It complains that there is
>>> insufficient memory and to remove unnnecessary entries from
>>> autoexec.bat, config.sys files. The computer has at least 4 GB RAM
>>> and there are no autoexec, config files in the root directory. I
>>> feel rather certain WIN95 can't handle that amount of RAM and isn't
>>> mapping it correctly, hence the error message. Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>> Open a sizeable ramdisk in config.sys,leaving 500mb to win95.
>> That should do it.
>> If not,there is also something in the system.ini?? file needing
>> editing, but I cant remember what it is, about memorysize/limit.
>
> I do not have a config.sys or autoexec.bat. Do you think I should
> create them?
>
> I found a MS KB article instructing me to add the line
> MaxPhysPage=20000 in the [386enh] section of the system.ini which I did
> but all that did was set me back even further with a Windows Protection
> Error now.
>
I would advise to use a config.sys and autoexec.bat
Use the ones at the install floppy as an example.
Let me hunt for some on my old work computer....(w89)....
config.sys:
> device=c:\windows\himem.sys
> DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS
> DOS=HIGH,UMB
> shell=c:\command.com /p /e:1024
> DEVICE=C:\windows\ANSI.SYS
> device=RAMDRIVE.SYS <some parmeters here>
And autoexc.bat:
> @ECHO OFF
> set temp=c:\tmp
> set tmp=c:\tmp
> md c:\tmp > nul
> path c:\windows;c:\batch;c:\exe;c:\old\norton;
> prompt $p$g
> set comspec=c:\command.com
> win

Experiment with that, dont forget the last line in autoexec.
One advantage: if you drop out of windows, you are back in DOS.
The first three lines in config.sys ensure, that you have enough
space for the icon cache, which uses the remaining dos area under win.