Alright, so the problem seems to have returned. Using a very simple "hello
world" app, the Studio will push a binary down to the device but will not
launch the debugger.

Of course the customer has been debugging for weeks now without problem, but
for some reason it no longer works. The following actions have not fixed
the problem:

- Reboot the PC
- Hard reset the CE device
- Delete the persistent CE registry
- Run DelCryptoKeys on both ends
- Import proxyports.reg

--
Chris Tacke, eMVP
Co-Founder and Advisory Board Member
www.OpenNETCF.org
---
Windows CE Product Manager
Applied Data Systems
www.applieddata.net

As an added piece of information, when deploying the app, Studio gives a
warning that the CF on the device is *newer* than the CF on the PC. I'm not
sure how this is possible. The CF on the device is the standard RTM from
Platform Builder, and there is no QFE to put CFSP1 on a CE 4.1 device (only
4.2). The customer is using the standard Studio installed CF, which is also
supposed to be the RTM. What's going on there?

--
Chris Tacke, eMVP
Co-Founder and Advisory Board Member
www.OpenNETCF.org
---
Windows CE Product Manager
Applied Data Systems
www.applieddata.net


"Chris Tacke, eMVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Alright, so the problem seems to have returned. Using a very simple
"hello
> world" app, the Studio will push a binary down to the device but will not
> launch the debugger.
>
> Of course the customer has been debugging for weeks now without problem,
but
> for some reason it no longer works. The following actions have not fixed
> the problem:
>
> - Reboot the PC
> - Hard reset the CE device
> - Delete the persistent CE registry
> - Run DelCryptoKeys on both ends
> - Import proxyports.reg
>
> --
> Chris Tacke, eMVP
> Co-Founder and Advisory Board Member
> www.OpenNETCF.org
> ---
> Windows CE Product Manager
> Applied Data Systems
> www.applieddata.net
>
>
>

Has the existence of toolhelp.dll on device been verified?

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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| References: <(E-Mail Removed)>
| Subject: Re: Can deploy but cannot debug on CE 4.1 device
| Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:45:43 -0500
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| As an added piece of information, when deploying the app, Studio gives a
| warning that the CF on the device is *newer* than the CF on the PC. I'm
not
| sure how this is possible. The CF on the device is the standard RTM from
| Platform Builder, and there is no QFE to put CFSP1 on a CE 4.1 device
(only
| 4.2). The customer is using the standard Studio installed CF, which is
also
| supposed to be the RTM. What's going on there?
|
| --
| Chris Tacke, eMVP
| Co-Founder and Advisory Board Member
| www.OpenNETCF.org
| ---
| Windows CE Product Manager
| Applied Data Systems
| www.applieddata.net
|
|
| "Chris Tacke, eMVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
| news:(E-Mail Removed)...
| > Alright, so the problem seems to have returned. Using a very simple
| "hello
| > world" app, the Studio will push a binary down to the device but will
not
| > launch the debugger.
| >
| > Of course the customer has been debugging for weeks now without problem,
| but
| > for some reason it no longer works. The following actions have not
fixed
| > the problem:
| >
| > - Reboot the PC
| > - Hard reset the CE device
| > - Delete the persistent CE registry
| > - Run DelCryptoKeys on both ends
| > - Import proxyports.reg
| >
| > --
| > Chris Tacke, eMVP
| > Co-Founder and Advisory Board Member
| > www.OpenNETCF.org
| > ---
| > Windows CE Product Manager
| > Applied Data Systems
| > www.applieddata.net
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|

Yes, toolhelp.dll exists on the device. The customer claims that the CE
image itself is unchanged, and it was working previously. The problem
exists when using USB and ConMan for connecting.

I walked him through using SDAuthUtil over ethernet and that seems to work,
but understanding why ConMan won't work would be useful.

--
Chris Tacke, eMVP
Co-Founder and Advisory Board Member
www.OpenNETCF.org
---
Windows CE Product Manager
Applied Data Systems
www.applieddata.net


""Ximing Zhou [MSFT]"" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
newswS%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Has the existence of toolhelp.dll on device been verified?
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
> --------------------
> | From: "Chris Tacke, eMVP" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> | References: <(E-Mail Removed)>
> | Subject: Re: Can deploy but cannot debug on CE 4.1 device
> | Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:45:43 -0500
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> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.compactframework:38402
> | X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.compactframework
> |
> | As an added piece of information, when deploying the app, Studio gives a
> | warning that the CF on the device is *newer* than the CF on the PC. I'm
> not
> | sure how this is possible. The CF on the device is the standard RTM
from
> | Platform Builder, and there is no QFE to put CFSP1 on a CE 4.1 device
> (only
> | 4.2). The customer is using the standard Studio installed CF, which is
> also
> | supposed to be the RTM. What's going on there?
> |
> | --
> | Chris Tacke, eMVP
> | Co-Founder and Advisory Board Member
> | www.OpenNETCF.org
> | ---
> | Windows CE Product Manager
> | Applied Data Systems
> | www.applieddata.net
> |
> |
> | "Chris Tacke, eMVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> | news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> | > Alright, so the problem seems to have returned. Using a very simple
> | "hello
> | > world" app, the Studio will push a binary down to the device but will
> not
> | > launch the debugger.
> | >
> | > Of course the customer has been debugging for weeks now without
problem,
> | but
> | > for some reason it no longer works. The following actions have not
> fixed
> | > the problem:
> | >
> | > - Reboot the PC
> | > - Hard reset the CE device
> | > - Delete the persistent CE registry
> | > - Run DelCryptoKeys on both ends
> | > - Import proxyports.reg
> | >
> | > --
> | > Chris Tacke, eMVP
> | > Co-Founder and Advisory Board Member
> | > www.OpenNETCF.org
> | > ---
> | > Windows CE Product Manager
> | > Applied Data Systems
> | > www.applieddata.net
> | >
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
> |
>

I have this problem very often. They I get around it is to change the proj
properties to NO DEBUG, save the properties, then switch the properties back
to DEBUG. This seems to work for us.


"Chris Tacke, eMVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Yes, toolhelp.dll exists on the device. The customer claims that the CE
> image itself is unchanged, and it was working previously. The problem
> exists when using USB and ConMan for connecting.
>
> I walked him through using SDAuthUtil over ethernet and that seems to
work,
> but understanding why ConMan won't work would be useful.
>
> --
> Chris Tacke, eMVP
> Co-Founder and Advisory Board Member
> www.OpenNETCF.org
> ---
> Windows CE Product Manager
> Applied Data Systems
> www.applieddata.net
>
>
> ""Ximing Zhou [MSFT]"" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> newswS%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Has the existence of toolhelp.dll on device been verified?
> >
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
> > --------------------
> > | From: "Chris Tacke, eMVP" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> > | References: <(E-Mail Removed)>
> > | Subject: Re: Can deploy but cannot debug on CE 4.1 device
> > | Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:45:43 -0500
> > | Lines: 48
> > | X-Priority: 3
> > | X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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> > | Xref: cpmsftngxa06.phx.gbl
> > microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.compactframework:38402
> > | X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.compactframework
> > |
> > | As an added piece of information, when deploying the app, Studio gives
a
> > | warning that the CF on the device is *newer* than the CF on the PC.
I'm
> > not
> > | sure how this is possible. The CF on the device is the standard RTM
> from
> > | Platform Builder, and there is no QFE to put CFSP1 on a CE 4.1 device
> > (only
> > | 4.2). The customer is using the standard Studio installed CF, which
is
> > also
> > | supposed to be the RTM. What's going on there?
> > |
> > | --
> > | Chris Tacke, eMVP
> > | Co-Founder and Advisory Board Member
> > | www.OpenNETCF.org
> > | ---
> > | Windows CE Product Manager
> > | Applied Data Systems
> > | www.applieddata.net
> > |
> > |
> > | "Chris Tacke, eMVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > | news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > | > Alright, so the problem seems to have returned. Using a very simple
> > | "hello
> > | > world" app, the Studio will push a binary down to the device but
will
> > not
> > | > launch the debugger.
> > | >
> > | > Of course the customer has been debugging for weeks now without
> problem,
> > | but
> > | > for some reason it no longer works. The following actions have not
> > fixed
> > | > the problem:
> > | >
> > | > - Reboot the PC
> > | > - Hard reset the CE device
> > | > - Delete the persistent CE registry
> > | > - Run DelCryptoKeys on both ends
> > | > - Import proxyports.reg
> > | >
> > | > --
> > | > Chris Tacke, eMVP
> > | > Co-Founder and Advisory Board Member
> > | > www.OpenNETCF.org
> > | > ---
> > | > Windows CE Product Manager
> > | > Applied Data Systems
> > | > www.applieddata.net
> > | >
> > | >
> > | >
> > |
> > |
> > |
> >
>
>

If nothing has changed on device, it is likely something has changed on PC
(Visual Studio machine). Otherwise the message of CF newer on device does
not make sense. My suggestion is
1. Check the dlls in <VSInstallDir>\CompactFrameworkSDK\v1.0.5000\Windows
CE\ and the corresponding netcf cab in one of the CPU directories. See if
there is anything suspicious, e.g. older timestamps.
2. Delete all the xsl files from \Documents and
Settings\<CurrentUser>\Local Settings\Application
Data\Microsoft\visualstudio\devices\7.1\. Restart VS and open a device
project to regenerate those files.

If nothing is found, I'd suggest they uninstall SDE and reinstall it.
Cleaning the xsl files and the CompactFrameworkSDK tree before the
reinstall.

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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| References: <(E-Mail Removed)>
<(E-Mail Removed)>
<DwS#(E-Mail Removed)>
<(E-Mail Removed)>
| Subject: Re: Can deploy but cannot debug on CE 4.1 device
| Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:42:41 -0500
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|
| I have this problem very often. They I get around it is to change the
proj
| properties to NO DEBUG, save the properties, then switch the properties
back
| to DEBUG. This seems to work for us.
|
|
| "Chris Tacke, eMVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
| news:(E-Mail Removed)...
| > Yes, toolhelp.dll exists on the device. The customer claims that the CE
| > image itself is unchanged, and it was working previously. The problem
| > exists when using USB and ConMan for connecting.
| >
| > I walked him through using SDAuthUtil over ethernet and that seems to
| work,
| > but understanding why ConMan won't work would be useful.
| >
| > --
| > Chris Tacke, eMVP
| > Co-Founder and Advisory Board Member
| > www.OpenNETCF.org
| > ---
| > Windows CE Product Manager
| > Applied Data Systems
| > www.applieddata.net
| >
| >
| > ""Ximing Zhou [MSFT]"" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
| > newswS%(E-Mail Removed)...
| > > Has the existence of toolhelp.dll on device been verified?
| > >
| > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
| > rights.
| > > --------------------
| > > | From: "Chris Tacke, eMVP" <(E-Mail Removed)>
| > > | References: <(E-Mail Removed)>
| > > | Subject: Re: Can deploy but cannot debug on CE 4.1 device
| > > | Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:45:43 -0500
| > > | Lines: 48
| > > | X-Priority: 3
| > > | X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| > > | X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
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| > > | Xref: cpmsftngxa06.phx.gbl
| > > microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.compactframework:38402
| > > | X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.compactframework
| > > |
| > > | As an added piece of information, when deploying the app, Studio
gives
| a
| > > | warning that the CF on the device is *newer* than the CF on the PC.
| I'm
| > > not
| > > | sure how this is possible. The CF on the device is the standard RTM
| > from
| > > | Platform Builder, and there is no QFE to put CFSP1 on a CE 4.1
device
| > > (only
| > > | 4.2). The customer is using the standard Studio installed CF, which
| is
| > > also
| > > | supposed to be the RTM. What's going on there?
| > > |
| > > | --
| > > | Chris Tacke, eMVP
| > > | Co-Founder and Advisory Board Member
| > > | www.OpenNETCF.org
| > > | ---
| > > | Windows CE Product Manager
| > > | Applied Data Systems
| > > | www.applieddata.net
| > > |
| > > |
| > > | "Chris Tacke, eMVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
| > > | news:(E-Mail Removed)...
| > > | > Alright, so the problem seems to have returned. Using a very
simple
| > > | "hello
| > > | > world" app, the Studio will push a binary down to the device but
| will
| > > not
| > > | > launch the debugger.
| > > | >
| > > | > Of course the customer has been debugging for weeks now without
| > problem,
| > > | but
| > > | > for some reason it no longer works. The following actions have
not
| > > fixed
| > > | > the problem:
| > > | >
| > > | > - Reboot the PC
| > > | > - Hard reset the CE device
| > > | > - Delete the persistent CE registry
| > > | > - Run DelCryptoKeys on both ends
| > > | > - Import proxyports.reg
| > > | >
| > > | > --
| > > | > Chris Tacke, eMVP
| > > | > Co-Founder and Advisory Board Member
| > > | > www.OpenNETCF.org
| > > | > ---
| > > | > Windows CE Product Manager
| > > | > Applied Data Systems
| > > | > www.applieddata.net
| > > | >
| > > | >
| > > | >
| > > |
| > > |
| > > |
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
|