I have two cards laying around to put in a machine. One is a Visontek
Radeon 9600(non-pro) 256, and the other is a PNY Geforce FX5700 LE. I am
going to reasonably overclock either one. Which one is better, or is there
no real difference?

"Thejeez" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>I have two cards laying around to put in a machine. One is a Visontek
>Radeon 9600(non-pro) 256, and the other is a PNY Geforce FX5700 LE. I am
>going to reasonably overclock either one. Which one is better, or is there
>no real difference?
>

You are asking this in an ATI newsgroup and expect an unbiased answer?

Bobby

"NoNoBadDog!" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Thejeez" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>I have two cards laying around to put in a machine. One is a Visontek
>>Radeon 9600(non-pro) 256, and the other is a PNY Geforce FX5700 LE. I am
>>going to reasonably overclock either one. Which one is better, or is
>>there no real difference?
>>
>
> You are asking this in an ATI newsgroup and expect an unbiased answer?
>
> Bobby
>
>

Just strictly based on performance. Are they about the same Gen of cards,
or is one quite a bit better than the other?

Here's the tech on both of these cards:

ATI 9600 (non-pro)
------------------------
Core clock: 325Mhz
Memory clock: 400Mhz (200Mhz DDR)
Bus width: 128bit
Raster operator units: 4
Pixel shaders: 4
Vertex shaders: 2
DirectX: 9.0
Pixel shader: 2.0
Vertex Shader: 2.0


nVidia Geforce FX5700LE
------------------------
Core clock: 250Mhz
Memory Clock: 400Mhz (200Mhz DDR)
Bus width: 128bit
Raster operator units: 4
Pixel shaders: 4
Vertex shaders: 3
DirectX: 9.0
Pixel shader: 2.0
Vertex shader: 2.0

IMHO: It's a coin toss as far of which of these "value-oriented" cards
will give you the best performance. FWIW: The ATI card does have an
edge over the nVidia card with it's faster GPU core clock speed (325Mhz
vs 250Mhz), and the nVidia has an edge over the ATI card with it's
extra vertex shader (3 vs 2). In the long run, it really doesn't matter
which you choose. I personally would choose the ATI card over the
nVidia card because I am partial to ATI GPUs.
I don't know if I have been of any assistance in your quest to find the
best video card for your needs, but I wish you luck!

Paul_in_NC

By the way, if you do choose the ATI card, you can use ATITool
http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/ to squeeze a bit more performance
out of that 9600. Here's some info from ATITool:


ATITool is an overclocking utility designed for ATI video cards.
Design target is to write a light-weight application for the enthusiast
- so no questionable registry tweaks. Sorry.
Main Features

* No limits overclocking.
* Finding maximum core and memory overclock by rendering into a
Direct3D window and scanning the output for visual artifacts.
* Temperature monitoring and fan speed control (on supported cards)
* Removal of Catalyst overclocking lock for 9000/9200/9550/9600
series.
* Artifact scanning mode for non-ATI cards - use together with a
3rd party overclocking utility.
* Loading a predefined clock profile on Application/Windows
startup.
* Hotkeys that can be used any time to load clocks from a profile.
* 3D application detection (Direct3D 8, Direct3D 9, OpenGL) to
overclock your video card only when required.
* Gamma control

ATITool will only work on Windows 2000/XP/2003 (64 bit versions are
supported).

Thanks. thats what i needed to know.

"Paul_in_NC" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Here's the tech on both of these cards:
>
> ATI 9600 (non-pro)
> ------------------------
> Core clock: 325Mhz
> Memory clock: 400Mhz (200Mhz DDR)
> Bus width: 128bit
> Raster operator units: 4
> Pixel shaders: 4
> Vertex shaders: 2
> DirectX: 9.0
> Pixel shader: 2.0
> Vertex Shader: 2.0
>
>
> nVidia Geforce FX5700LE
> ------------------------
> Core clock: 250Mhz
> Memory Clock: 400Mhz (200Mhz DDR)
> Bus width: 128bit
> Raster operator units: 4
> Pixel shaders: 4
> Vertex shaders: 3
> DirectX: 9.0
> Pixel shader: 2.0
> Vertex shader: 2.0
>
> IMHO: It's a coin toss as far of which of these "value-oriented" cards
> will give you the best performance. FWIW: The ATI card does have an
> edge over the nVidia card with it's faster GPU core clock speed (325Mhz
> vs 250Mhz), and the nVidia has an edge over the ATI card with it's
> extra vertex shader (3 vs 2). In the long run, it really doesn't matter
> which you choose. I personally would choose the ATI card over the
> nVidia card because I am partial to ATI GPUs.
> I don't know if I have been of any assistance in your quest to find the
> best video card for your needs, but I wish you luck!
>
> Paul_in_NC
>

On Thu, 18 May 2006 19:05:58 +0100, Paul_in_NC <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

> Here's the tech on both of these cards:

> <snip>
>
> IMHO: It's a coin toss as far of which of these "value-oriented" cards
> will give you the best performance. FWIW: The ATI card does have an
> edge over the nVidia card with it's faster GPU core clock speed (325Mhz
> vs 250Mhz), and the nVidia has an edge over the ATI card with it's
> extra vertex shader (3 vs 2). In the long run, it really doesn't matter
> which you choose. I personally would choose the ATI card over the
> nVidia card because I am partial to ATI GPUs.
> I don't know if I have been of any assistance in your quest to find the
> best video card for your needs, but I wish you luck!
>
> Paul_in_NC
>



I've had a 256mb Powercolor 9600 (PRO) for 3 years now and I am surprised
by how well it still stands up, given that it balances nicely with my
32-bit CPU (3200+). It won't overclock for toffee and I think that is
because of heat issues. I like the card and (with the exception of things
..NET related) ATI software. But I have recently broken with tradition and
installed a couple of Nvidia cards on two systems which are very like my
own. So alike in fact that I can see that my 9600 simply spanks a 5200FX,
but I suppose that is rather a "toy" card even against a 9600 (I suppose
not really much newer either) and I know nothing of a 5700. Looking at
the specs you posted Paul, not much in it I gather! I do have to say I
rather like the current forceware though!


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