Dear all,

1. Is it true that C# comes with .net 1.1 sdk and it is free ?
2. Will the .net 2 comes with C# ? will it be free too ?
3. If 1 and 2 are true, is there a possibility that one day it will be a
paying product ?

Regards
TSDing

The SDK is pretty bare bones. And would be tough to use in a true production dev environment.
VS2003 is pay and well worth the money IMO. There are other IDE's you can buy also. Borland has one.

If you have time on your hands but not much money the SDK is a good way to start out. But for things like intellesense,
debugging, and organization a true IDE can't be beat IMO.

--
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.com


"TSDing" <dingts_removethis_@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message news:423f7616$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Dear all,
>
> 1. Is it true that C# comes with .net 1.1 sdk and it is free ?
> 2. Will the .net 2 comes with C# ? will it be free too ?
> 3. If 1 and 2 are true, is there a possibility that one day it will be a
> paying product ?
>
> Regards
> TSDing
>
>

Does these IDE comes with extra functions or clases ?

I heard there is a VS2005 coming, any idea when ?

Regards
TSDing

"Carl Frisk" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> The SDK is pretty bare bones. And would be tough to use in a true
production dev environment.
> VS2003 is pay and well worth the money IMO. There are other IDE's you can
buy also. Borland has one.
>
> If you have time on your hands but not much money the SDK is a good way to
start out. But for things like intellesense,
> debugging, and organization a true IDE can't be beat IMO.
>
> --
> ...Carl Frisk
> Anger is a brief madness.
> - Horace, 20 B.C.
> http://www.carlfrisk.com
>
>
> "TSDing" <dingts_removethis_@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message
news:423f7616$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Dear all,
> >
> > 1. Is it true that C# comes with .net 1.1 sdk and it is free ?
> > 2. Will the .net 2 comes with C# ? will it be free too ?
> > 3. If 1 and 2 are true, is there a possibility that one day it will be a
> > paying product ?
> >
> > Regards
> > TSDing
> >
> >
>

Not to my knowledge. It does come with templates that you can modify for startup projects though. It also comes with
lot's of time saving features. And if you are learning there are things like dynamic help. Integrated help. Stack
views, breakpoints. The list goes on and on.

In reality you can load the .NET framework on your computer and write programs all day long with just Notepad. But
sooner of later you are going to want to compile them and see if they run. You would then load the SDK and use the
included compilers (VB.NET, C#) and compile and run them. At some point you are going to want to do some advanced
debugging. And are probably getting tired of looking up help information online by starting a browser and going to MSDN
or other resource. You are probably also getting tired of wiring up all your event handling by hand also. As well
getting a little confused as to what is doing what in your ASP.NET/SQL backend web widget app you are writing that is
spread out amongst 300 source files. You are now ready for the IDE. Actually you were hopefully ready for the IDE long
before this point.

--
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.com


"TSDing" <dingts_removethis_@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message news:423f822e$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> Does these IDE comes with extra functions or clases ?
>
> I heard there is a VS2005 coming, any idea when ?
>
> Regards
> TSDing
>
> "Carl Frisk" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
>> The SDK is pretty bare bones. And would be tough to use in a true
> production dev environment.
>> VS2003 is pay and well worth the money IMO. There are other IDE's you can
> buy also. Borland has one.
>>
>> If you have time on your hands but not much money the SDK is a good way to
> start out. But for things like intellesense,
>> debugging, and organization a true IDE can't be beat IMO.
>>
>> --
>> ...Carl Frisk
>> Anger is a brief madness.
>> - Horace, 20 B.C.
>> http://www.carlfrisk.com
>>
>>
>> "TSDing" <dingts_removethis_@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message
> news:423f7616$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > 1. Is it true that C# comes with .net 1.1 sdk and it is free ?
>> > 2. Will the .net 2 comes with C# ? will it be free too ?
>> > 3. If 1 and 2 are true, is there a possibility that one day it will be a
>> > paying product ?
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > TSDing
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

The command-line compiler is included with the framework, and you can use a
variety of shareware and free tools to edit your source by hand (during the
initial pre-beta, I used emacs). Due to the way the framework operates, the
command-line compiler will always be free. The Visual C# 2005 Express
product will be very inexpensive - $49.00. Pricing info for 2005 SKUs is
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...21VS2005PR.asp

--
Mickey Williams
Author, "Visual C# .NET Core Ref", MS Press
www.neudesic.com
www.servergeek.com


"TSDing" <dingts_removethis_@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message
news:423f7616$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Dear all,
>
> 1. Is it true that C# comes with .net 1.1 sdk and it is free ?
> 2. Will the .net 2 comes with C# ? will it be free too ?
> 3. If 1 and 2 are true, is there a possibility that one day it will be a
> paying product ?
>
> Regards
> TSDing
>
>

I have tried the Visual C# 2005 Express, it looks quite interesting. Are
there any limitations on the
software developed with this tool ? I read in MS website... it is says this
tool is for people to learn C#, does that mean it cant create a full blown
application. ie. accouting system.


Regards
TSDing

"Mickey Williams [C# MVP]" <my first name at servergeek dot com> wrote in
message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> The command-line compiler is included with the framework, and you can use
a
> variety of shareware and free tools to edit your source by hand (during
the
> initial pre-beta, I used emacs). Due to the way the framework operates,
the
> command-line compiler will always be free. The Visual C# 2005 Express
> product will be very inexpensive - $49.00. Pricing info for 2005 SKUs is
> here:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...21VS2005PR.asp
>
> --
> Mickey Williams
> Author, "Visual C# .NET Core Ref", MS Press
> www.neudesic.com
> www.servergeek.com
>
>
> "TSDing" <dingts_removethis_@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message
> news:423f7616$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Dear all,
> >
> > 1. Is it true that C# comes with .net 1.1 sdk and it is free ?
> > 2. Will the .net 2 comes with C# ? will it be free too ?
> > 3. If 1 and 2 are true, is there a possibility that one day it will be a
> > paying product ?
> >
> > Regards
> > TSDing
> >
> >
>
>

TSDing <dingts_removethis_@pc.jaring.my> wrote:
> 1. Is it true that C# comes with .net 1.1 sdk and it is free ?

You don't even need the SDK - the C# compiler comes with the .NET
framework itself.

> 2. Will the .net 2 comes with C# ? will it be free too ?

Given that compiling is part of what the framework libraries can do, it
seems very unlikely to me that .NET 2 would ship without the C#
compiler.

> 3. If 1 and 2 are true, is there a possibility that one day it will be a
> paying product ?

Highly, highly unlikely, I'd say.

--
Jon Skeet - <(E-Mail Removed)>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too

If you want to get started without shelling out for VS, then I have some
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http://www.publicjoe.f9.co.uk/csharp/csharp01.html

This will allow you to build C# apps as well as VB apps, with the
sharpdevelop IDE.

Hope this helps

Publicjoe

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"TSDing" <dingts_removethis_@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message
news:423f7616$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Dear all,
>
> 1. Is it true that C# comes with .net 1.1 sdk and it is free ?
> 2. Will the .net 2 comes with C# ? will it be free too ?
> 3. If 1 and 2 are true, is there a possibility that one day it will be a
> paying product ?
>
> Regards
> TSDing
>
>

"TSDing" <dingts_removethis_@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message
news:423fc237$(E-Mail Removed)...
>I have tried the Visual C# 2005 Express, it looks quite interesting. Are
> there any limitations on the
> software developed with this tool ? I read in MS website... it is says
> this
> tool is for people to learn C#, does that mean it cant create a full blown
> application. ie. accouting system.

I don't know if there are licensing restrictions, but you can build any type
of application with it that you can build with the command-line compiler.
There are probably some project templates and designers that aren't
included -- otherwise nobody would buy the more expensive tools.

--
Mickey Williams
Author, "Visual C# .NET Core Ref", MS Press
www.neudesic.com
www.servergeek.com

TSDing wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> 1. Is it true that C# comes with .net 1.1 sdk and it is free ?
> 2. Will the .net 2 comes with C# ? will it be free too ?
> 3. If 1 and 2 are true, is there a possibility that one day it will be a
> paying product ?

If so, just use mono

http://go-mono.com

The Open Source ECMA reference implementation.

>
> Regards
> TSDing
>
>