Hi group.

I finally had to give up my Win98se.
I tried overinstalling with a WinME upgrade disk, that I received from
a good friend, but that did not work out well.

So, I finally purchased a WinXP system installation disk and have been
trying to install and set it up, in the last few days.
I have had several problems and have been formating the HDD and
reinstalling the WinXP program- several times (about half a dozen
times), with continues problems, that I finally got over last night. *I
thought!*

This AM. I turned on the PC and I could not boot up and it would stay
at "The window is staring up", but it would just sit there and I did
reboot/reset- several times
and then got this red flag message;

Heading; "Microsoft Visual C:++ Runtime Library;

Buffer overrun; Program\??\windows, system32, winlogon.exe.

"A Buffer overrun has been detected which has corrupted the program's
internal state. The program can not safely continue execution and must
now be terminated!
Now it will not go into the window

What did I screw up now!? and what can I do to correct this!?

Any help, comments, info or feed back is much appreciated!
Thank you.
BN

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> Hi group.
>
> I finally had to give up my Win98se.
> I tried overinstalling with a WinME upgrade disk

Oh brother.

> So, I finally purchased a WinXP system installation disk

Hmm.

> I have had several problems and have been formating the HDD and
> reinstalling the WinXP program- several times (about half a dozen
> times), with continues problems,

If you cannot install Windows XP on a freshly formatted hard drive,
something low level is wrong. Might have to do with your BIOS
settings, or you might have a hardware problem.

JD
The WinXP finally installed ok, as well as a lot of different programs
and Sp2. and it worked ok last night.
BUT, for some reason, it will not boot into Windows, given the "Warning"
as I stated!
I just like to know what exactly that "Warning" tells you and what can
be done.
I can't even get into Win. using "Safe Mode"!
BN

(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> JD
> The WinXP finally installed ok, as well as a lot of different programs
> and Sp2. and it worked ok last night.
> BUT, for some reason, it will not boot into Windows, given the "Warning"
> as I stated!
> I just like to know what exactly that "Warning" tells you and what can
> be done.
> I can't even get into Win. using "Safe Mode"!
> BN
>

Now that you have your two 1GB sticks installed, have you run
memtest86+ from memtest.org ? There is no point booting an
OS, installing an OS, if the memory is getting errors. That
will ruin everything.

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(The original hardware configuration of this system, is here.)

19892-4A247E46-(E-Mail Removed)

http://groups.google.ba/group/alt.co...4fa4785b89c08a

KM4M-L KM400 chipset, two DIMM slots, PC2700 max, hopefully low density 1GB modules.
Duron 1.4GHz processor.

http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=pr...o=&prod_no=558
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I'd do a few complete passes of memtest86+, and see whether the memory
is throwing errors or not.

The BIOS has some adjustments for the memory, so there may be
a few things to try, if there is trouble.

Paul

Hi Paul,- good to hear from you!

Yes, it's a new ball game now, with the WinXP installation, with the
2ea. 1GB RAM sticks installed.
And all new problems for me!
I should had purchased a NEW PC instead of trying to do something that
I'm not familiar with, but- maybe next year.

I also had a problem with the larger 160GB HDD I purchased with the ram
sticks from NewEgg, it would not even boot to load all the BIOS or
anything from the installation CD, so I had to RMA
that back for a replacement.

I have now loading the winXP on to my spare 40GB HDD and that is were my
new problem come in.

I have Memtest 86 V3.4 on a floppy and it's running right now- for about
1 hour.
I noticed that there are so many different Versions of it, so I don't
know if the one I have is any good or not?- what do you think, Paul?

I don't really know what I'm looking at on the screen, but, so far
there are no errors indicated.
I don't really know about all the "Descriptive/Info.- like;

L1 Cache 128K- 8582MB/s,

L2 Cache 64K - 3596MB/s,

Memory- 2016M 563MB/s

If that has any value or not? but as long as there is no indication of
errors I think that the ram sticks are OK?

Thanks again for all your help.
BN

(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> Hi Paul,- good to hear from you!
>
> Yes, it's a new ball game now, with the WinXP installation, with the
> 2ea. 1GB RAM sticks installed.
> And all new problems for me!
> I should had purchased a NEW PC instead of trying to do something that
> I'm not familiar with, but- maybe next year.
>
> I also had a problem with the larger 160GB HDD I purchased with the ram
> sticks from NewEgg, it would not even boot to load all the BIOS or
> anything from the installation CD, so I had to RMA
> that back for a replacement.
>
> I have now loading the winXP on to my spare 40GB HDD and that is were my
> new problem come in.
>
> I have Memtest 86 V3.4 on a floppy and it's running right now- for about
> 1 hour.
> I noticed that there are so many different Versions of it, so I don't
> know if the one I have is any good or not?- what do you think, Paul?
>
> I don't really know what I'm looking at on the screen, but, so far
> there are no errors indicated.
> I don't really know about all the "Descriptive/Info.- like;
>
> L1 Cache 128K- 8582MB/s,
>
> L2 Cache 64K - 3596MB/s,
>
> Memory- 2016M 563MB/s
>
> If that has any value or not? but as long as there is no indication of
> errors I think that the ram sticks are OK?
>
> Thanks again for all your help.
> BN
>

I guess I was hoping for an easy answer :-)

I don't really want to "run you through the wringer" on this. Some
of the things I could suggest, might take you some amount of time
to set up, and there is no guarantee the results would be any better.

I see two possibilities.

1) Prove the individual components in your new setup, are all working
correctly. You might, for example, dig up a diagnostic program for
that brand of hard drive you're using. I have a Seagate
test floppy, I downloaded from their site. The "long test" would tell
you how good the drive was. Each brand may provide their own test.
Another thing to test, would be the ability to read the CD, in case
some of the files are coming off it corrupted. You haven't indicated
what your release of Windows is - it could be WinXP SP3, but there is
probably more than one CD of that in existence. I could run MD5SUM
on my CD, and give you the 5000 checksums of the files in the i386 folder.
That doesn't sound like much fun.

2) Go back to known good components. For example, your old RAM works,
and you didn't have any crashes or problems before, then perhaps
you could temporarily use that RAM again for some tests. WinXP can
easily run with 512MB, as I built a computer for a family member
with that much RAM in it a couple years ago. Try a reinstall,
using the old RAM.

I was hoping the WinXP CD has a build-in check, but I'm not seeing
anything to suggest they have that capability. My Linux CD for example,
has a media test option, so you can verify the files on the CD
are OK. Linux compares the computed checksums, against a checksum file,
as a way to verify the CD is OK and readable by the drive.

*******

If I run your error symptoms...

Buffer Overrun Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library winlogon

the post at the bottom of this thread, mentions the master/slave
nature of the hard drive setup. How have you jumpered the IDE
drive ? Are there two drives on the cable, one master, one slave ?
Is there one drive, mounted on the end connector, and set up
as master (or master only, for WD brand drives) ? The suggestion
here, is to check your setup and verify how you've jumpered it.
You can also use cable select on each drive, if you have an
80 wire cable hooked to it.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r219...am-internal-st

It could also be related to SuperAntiSpyware...

http://forums.superantispyware.com/v...hp?f=3&p=14680

It could also be a malware problem, but so far, I don't see how
that would have happened.

This is what Visual C++ is checking for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_overrun

This can happen when poorly written code accepts
too large a data item. It is a technique used to "tip over" machines
via the Internet. As more Service Packs and security updates have
been added to WinXP, it has more protections for things like this,
but there are always people searching for new exploits. In Googling
the above terms, the buffer overrun is also associated with iexplore.exe.

I'm hoping this is just something silly, rather than malware. As
with malware, I'd want to understand how you go infected so quickly,
if that is what happened.

Paul

Hi Paul.

Again, thanks for all that good info.!
That will keep me going.

I got the WinXP pro. with Sp2


I only have one HDD installed, with just one single cable, it's a 40gb.
*WD, that I had Win98se on, it is jumpered as Master and always was, and
right now, after being up all night putting it together, it is working
ok at this point. (knock on wood!)

The spare, a 40GB Maxtor- is what I first installed WinXP on and it was
working good at first- it did *not have any jumpers installed.
The next morning is when it would not boot and I got the "Overrun
Buffer" warning on.- I tried that one again with jumpers in the Master
location and with out any, but nothing did bring it back to life, that I
have tried. and the warning is still there and not booting to windows
and I could not get the WinXP to format it again and reinstall- I'll try
again today.

The new HDD I purchased from NewEgg, is a 160GB. and that one did not
do much- it would not even boot thru the BIOS, it stopped after the BIOS
drive info.- that one I sent back to NewEgg on a RMA.
Maybe there is something wrong with the BIOS?!- I don't know!

Paul, I know that this could be a very simple thing or it could be a big
thing, like you say, maybe some sneaky malware got in there,but I have
Avast and Super Anti Spyware installed and did run.
I also have Norton 2003 utility CD that I had run on that HDD, from the
CD- (I did not want to download it, because it is a "big one")
I feel sure that the 2x1GB RAM sticks are working ok, they are
recognized and they checked out ok in the Memtest?

I just hope that this last setup will stay ok and that I get a good
160GB HDD back from NewEgg and that will work ok for a new WinXP setup.

I know that there are several tests to try, but you have to know what
you are doing or it is just adding more frustrations on to the problem,
but when I have the time and mind set, I will check and try to learn
more about this stuff.

Paul, thanks again for sharing all your knowledge and PC know how with
me and the rest of the people here, that need some guidance and help.

I will be plugging at it and if it gets to be too much, I hope I can
call on you for more of your help, again.
BN

(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> Hi Paul.
>
> Again, thanks for all that good info.!
> That will keep me going.
>
> I got the WinXP pro. with Sp2
>
>
> I only have one HDD installed, with just one single cable, it's a 40gb.
> *WD, that I had Win98se on, it is jumpered as Master and always was, and
> right now, after being up all night putting it together, it is working
> ok at this point. (knock on wood!)
>
> The spare, a 40GB Maxtor- is what I first installed WinXP on and it was
> working good at first- it did *not have any jumpers installed.
> The next morning is when it would not boot and I got the "Overrun
> Buffer" warning on.- I tried that one again with jumpers in the Master
> location and with out any, but nothing did bring it back to life, that I
> have tried. and the warning is still there and not booting to windows
> and I could not get the WinXP to format it again and reinstall- I'll try
> again today.
>
> The new HDD I purchased from NewEgg, is a 160GB. and that one did not
> do much- it would not even boot thru the BIOS, it stopped after the BIOS
> drive info.- that one I sent back to NewEgg on a RMA.
> Maybe there is something wrong with the BIOS?!- I don't know!
>
> Paul, I know that this could be a very simple thing or it could be a big
> thing, like you say, maybe some sneaky malware got in there,but I have
> Avast and Super Anti Spyware installed and did run.
> I also have Norton 2003 utility CD that I had run on that HDD, from the
> CD- (I did not want to download it, because it is a "big one")
> I feel sure that the 2x1GB RAM sticks are working ok, they are
> recognized and they checked out ok in the Memtest?
>
> I just hope that this last setup will stay ok and that I get a good
> 160GB HDD back from NewEgg and that will work ok for a new WinXP setup.
>
> I know that there are several tests to try, but you have to know what
> you are doing or it is just adding more frustrations on to the problem,
> but when I have the time and mind set, I will check and try to learn
> more about this stuff.
>
> Paul, thanks again for sharing all your knowledge and PC know how with
> me and the rest of the people here, that need some guidance and help.
>
> I will be plugging at it and if it gets to be too much, I hope I can
> call on you for more of your help, again.
> BN
>

Try the 40GB disk by itself on the cable. Use the end connector.
Jumper as master. Try your install again. (If you have two cables,
the CDROM can be on the other cable.)

If you have two drives on the same cable, one is Master and the
other one is Slave. They can't both be master.

Paul

Paul.

I have one CDROM (D drive) and ONE HDD (the 40GB) on one cable (the HDD
at the end of the cable) and it has always been this setup and the HDD
jumpered as Master (C drive). I never had his problem until I installed
WinXP.

There is something very wrong here, that don't make any sense!

I had everything running just fine after the first installation, until
the next day, when I turned it back on, then everything seamed to go
wrong! I could not get into windows!
I could not get a repeat choice to Format the HDD again, (witch is what
I need to do, to start over again, on that #1 HDD! when I booted up
again, using the WinXP installation CD, trying to get a Format.
I got in to dos trying to get a Format there, but that did not work
ether!!?
Nothing s working right, for what ever reason!?

As I told you, I'm running on my spare HDD that I made my second install
on and that is now, also acting strange, with stalls, taking forever to
shut down and start up and it just shut down and come back on, asking if
I want to go back to a earlier date for a recovery setup!? and I did and
I'm now getting warnings about not being protected because the security
is not up to date!
Maybe I now have viruses or some whole damn "epidemic"

I am constantly getting a flag telling me that I have installed a NEW
Program!? every time I boot up!- I have NOT installed a new program! and
there us nothing added in the program index!!- could that maybe indicate
that something/someone is getting in to my PC?!- just a though?! it is a
new one on me.
The system just shut down and when I tried to restart and boot from the
WinXP CD, it gave me a black screen with;
"Line 8722 of the inf. file \138\text setup.sif is invalid"- "Setup can
not continue . Press any key to exit."

That is all I get now!! can't go anyplace else any more!

I never had this many and new problems with the Win98se!
Thank god I still have the Webtv- maybe that's what I should stay with!?

Paul, how can I get these two HDDs formated so I can start over again!"

If you have any ideas as to what strange things are going on- run it by
me!

I know it must be getting frustrating for you to read all this, from
me!
Thanks again for your help.
BN

(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> Paul.
>
> I have one CDROM (D drive) and ONE HDD (the 40GB) on one cable (the HDD
> at the end of the cable) and it has always been this setup and the HDD
> jumpered as Master (C drive). I never had his problem until I installed
> WinXP.
>
> There is something very wrong here, that don't make any sense!
>
> I had everything running just fine after the first installation, until
> the next day, when I turned it back on, then everything seamed to go
> wrong! I could not get into windows!
> I could not get a repeat choice to Format the HDD again, (witch is what
> I need to do, to start over again, on that #1 HDD! when I booted up
> again, using the WinXP installation CD, trying to get a Format.
> I got in to dos trying to get a Format there, but that did not work
> ether!!?
> Nothing s working right, for what ever reason!?
>
> As I told you, I'm running on my spare HDD that I made my second install
> on and that is now, also acting strange, with stalls, taking forever to
> shut down and start up and it just shut down and come back on, asking if
> I want to go back to a earlier date for a recovery setup!? and I did and
> I'm now getting warnings about not being protected because the security
> is not up to date!
> Maybe I now have viruses or some whole damn "epidemic"
>
> I am constantly getting a flag telling me that I have installed a NEW
> Program!? every time I boot up!- I have NOT installed a new program! and
> there us nothing added in the program index!!- could that maybe indicate
> that something/someone is getting in to my PC?!- just a though?! it is a
> new one on me.
> The system just shut down and when I tried to restart and boot from the
> WinXP CD, it gave me a black screen with;
> "Line 8722 of the inf. file \138\text setup.sif is invalid"- "Setup can
> not continue . Press any key to exit."
>
> That is all I get now!! can't go anyplace else any more!
>
> I never had this many and new problems with the Win98se!
> Thank god I still have the Webtv- maybe that's what I should stay with!?
>
> Paul, how can I get these two HDDs formated so I can start over again!"
>
> If you have any ideas as to what strange things are going on- run it by
> me!
>
> I know it must be getting frustrating for you to read all this, from
> me!
> Thanks again for your help.
> BN
>

Everyone has a meltdown, once in a while. I had one computer, where
I replaced practically everything in it. So sometimes these things
happen.

To erase a disk, you can use DBAN (Darik's Boot and Nuke). You only
want disks that are to be erased, connected to the computer when you
run it. Use the "quick erase" option, so it won't do multiple passes.

http://www.dban.org/

I use a Linux CD for Windows maintenance, and it gives me access to
FAT32 or NTFS partitions. So I can do a few things there. I can
also watch the Linux boot messages, and see how things are going. If
the computer is not stable, the boot sequence will start showing
errors.

Are you using the old RAM now ? Switch back to the old RAM.

Sometimes, the disk manufacturer has utilities you can use.
For example, SeatoolsForDOS can erase the drive. It can
also test the disk. But it is mainly intended for a Seagate
drive, and I don't know what it would do if only some other
brand was in use.

http://www.seagate.com/support/seato...lsDOSguide.pdf

I hope these problems are not coming from bad RAM...

What I was taught at work, is an "onion skin" approach to test.
You test a bit of hardware at a time, building up a list of
stuff that is working. I might test RAM, CPU+RAM, and then
do some disk tests or CD tests. By proving some of the hardware
first, you can tick that off the list when you see issues later.
Right now, I don't really have a feeling what subsystem is
having trouble in your computer. My training would force me
to go back to the basics.

One problem, is not every test I'd like to run, is available
as a free program for download. So the test suite is not
complete. Sometimes, a prebuilt computer comes with its own
test or diagnostic package, and it has better coverage than
something I could cook up.

I used to write my own test programs, for the hardware I worked
on, but those days are long gone :-)

Good luck,
Paul