Will upgrading to a BTX PCI Express Motherboard later this year necessitate
chucking out all my cards e.g. modem, soundblaster and so on, or will it
just be a case of discarding the old AGP card?

ALL slots will supposedly be PCI Express, which means all new cards.

--
DaveW



"Jabout" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:bvuh35$7mg$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Will upgrading to a BTX PCI Express Motherboard later this year
necessitate
> chucking out all my cards e.g. modem, soundblaster and so on, or will it
> just be a case of discarding the old AGP card?
>
>

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:17:28 GMT, "DaveW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>ALL slots will supposedly be PCI Express, which means all new cards.

oh sh*t. say it ain't so!

is that true?

isn't PCI Express backwards compatible with PCI like USB 2.0 is back
compatible with USB 1?

As far as I can tell the new PCI express will result in new slots for
PCIExpress cards.

However, I would think that Mobo makers will include some PCI slots
and PCI Express slots on new boards for the foreseeable future.
This is what they did with ISA and PCI.

I would think that you have at least 2 years worth of PCI left before
its deemed obsolete.

HTH

Harry

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 02:24:01 GMT, zalzon <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:17:28 GMT, "DaveW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>ALL slots will supposedly be PCI Express, which means all new cards.
>
>oh sh*t. say it ain't so!
>
>is that true?
>
>isn't PCI Express backwards compatible with PCI like USB 2.0 is back
>compatible with USB 1?
>

PCI Express is 100% compatible with PCI you can plu any PCI card into
it and it will work just fine, DUMB ARSE.

Not sure if the boards will have AGP and if you cna run AGP and PCI
express cards at once though :-/



On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:41:17 +0000, Harry <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>As far as I can tell the new PCI express will result in new slots for
>PCIExpress cards.
>
>However, I would think that Mobo makers will include some PCI slots
>and PCI Express slots on new boards for the foreseeable future.
>This is what they did with ISA and PCI.
>
>I would think that you have at least 2 years worth of PCI left before
>its deemed obsolete.
>
>HTH
>
>Harry
>
>On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 02:24:01 GMT, zalzon <(E-Mail Removed)>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:17:28 GMT, "DaveW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>ALL slots will supposedly be PCI Express, which means all new cards.
>>
>>oh sh*t. say it ain't so!
>>
>>is that true?
>>
>>isn't PCI Express backwards compatible with PCI like USB 2.0 is back
>>compatible with USB 1?
>>

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 02:29:18 +1100, We Live For The One We Die For The
One <Mr (E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>PCI Express is 100% compatible with PCI you can plu any PCI card into
>it and it will work just fine, DUMB ARSE.
>

You thick plonker. He asked about PCI Express not PCI-X !!

PCI Express is a SERIAL interconnect technology, providing increased
bandwidth for newer, high performance graphics boards, Firewire, USB,
Network Appliances, and so on.

The older conventional PCI standard is a PARALLEL interconnect
technology. These devices, including PCI based graphics boards, will
NOT fit in a PCI Express slot. They are NOT compatible.

Some motherboards may include both PCI and PCI Express features.

PCI Express should not be confused with PCI-X. These two technologies
are mutually exclusive.




>Not sure if the boards will have AGP and if you cna run AGP and PCI
>express cards at once though :-/
>
>
>
>On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:41:17 +0000, Harry <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>As far as I can tell the new PCI express will result in new slots for
>>PCIExpress cards.
>>
>>However, I would think that Mobo makers will include some PCI slots
>>and PCI Express slots on new boards for the foreseeable future.
>>This is what they did with ISA and PCI.
>>
>>I would think that you have at least 2 years worth of PCI left before
>>its deemed obsolete.
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>Harry
>>
>>On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 02:24:01 GMT, zalzon <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:17:28 GMT, "DaveW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>>ALL slots will supposedly be PCI Express, which means all new cards.
>>>
>>>oh sh*t. say it ain't so!
>>>
>>>is that true?
>>>
>>>isn't PCI Express backwards compatible with PCI like USB 2.0 is back
>>>compatible with USB 1?
>>>

Yes i am


On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:03:22 +0000, Harry <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 02:29:18 +1100, We Live For The One We Die For The
>One <Mr (E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>
>>PCI Express is 100% compatible with PCI you can plu any PCI card into
>>it and it will work just fine, DUMB ARSE.
>>
>
>You thick plonker. He asked about PCI Express not PCI-X !!
>
>PCI Express is a SERIAL interconnect technology, providing increased
>bandwidth for newer, high performance graphics boards, Firewire, USB,
>Network Appliances, and so on.
>
>The older conventional PCI standard is a PARALLEL interconnect
>technology. These devices, including PCI based graphics boards, will
>NOT fit in a PCI Express slot. They are NOT compatible.
>
>Some motherboards may include both PCI and PCI Express features.
>
>PCI Express should not be confused with PCI-X. These two technologies
>are mutually exclusive.
>
>
>
>
>>Not sure if the boards will have AGP and if you cna run AGP and PCI
>>express cards at once though :-/
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:41:17 +0000, Harry <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>As far as I can tell the new PCI express will result in new slots for
>>>PCIExpress cards.
>>>
>>>However, I would think that Mobo makers will include some PCI slots
>>>and PCI Express slots on new boards for the foreseeable future.
>>>This is what they did with ISA and PCI.
>>>
>>>I would think that you have at least 2 years worth of PCI left before
>>>its deemed obsolete.
>>>
>>>HTH
>>>
>>>Harry
>>>
>>>On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 02:24:01 GMT, zalzon <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 00:17:28 GMT, "DaveW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>ALL slots will supposedly be PCI Express, which means all new cards.
>>>>
>>>>oh sh*t. say it ain't so!
>>>>
>>>>is that true?
>>>>
>>>>isn't PCI Express backwards compatible with PCI like USB 2.0 is back
>>>>compatible with USB 1?
>>>>

We Live For The One We Die For The One wrote:
> Yes i am
>
>
> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:03:22 +0000, Harry <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>
>>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 02:29:18 +1100, We Live For The One We Die For The
>>One <Mr (E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>PCI Express is 100% compatible with PCI you can plu any PCI card into
>>>it and it will work just fine, DUMB ARSE.
>>>
>>
>>You thick plonker. He asked about PCI Express not PCI-X !!
>>
>>PCI Express is a SERIAL interconnect technology, providing increased
>>bandwidth for newer, high performance graphics boards, Firewire, USB,
>>Network Appliances, and so on.
>>
>>The older conventional PCI standard is a PARALLEL interconnect
>>technology. These devices, including PCI based graphics boards, will
>>NOT fit in a PCI Express slot. They are NOT compatible.

PCI Express will be backwards compatible with current PCI boards. Read
this article at anandtech:

http://www.anandtech.com/systems/sho...tml?i=1830&p=7

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:08:22 +0100, BarryNL <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>We Live For The One We Die For The One wrote:
>> Yes i am
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:03:22 +0000, Harry <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 02:29:18 +1100, We Live For The One We Die For The
>>>One <Mr (E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>PCI Express is 100% compatible with PCI you can plu any PCI card into
>>>>it and it will work just fine, DUMB ARSE.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You thick plonker. He asked about PCI Express not PCI-X !!
>>>
>>>PCI Express is a SERIAL interconnect technology, providing increased
>>>bandwidth for newer, high performance graphics boards, Firewire, USB,
>>>Network Appliances, and so on.
>>>
>>>The older conventional PCI standard is a PARALLEL interconnect
>>>technology. These devices, including PCI based graphics boards, will
>>>NOT fit in a PCI Express slot. They are NOT compatible.
>
>PCI Express will be backwards compatible with current PCI boards. Read
>this article at anandtech:
>
>http://www.anandtech.com/systems/sho...tml?i=1830&p=7

So PCI Express cards can be plugged into existing PCI slots (with an
adapter), but PCI cards cannot be plugged into new PCI-Express slots.

Mobo makers should release boards with PCI and PCI Express slots (and
probably an AGP slot). Both PCI slots and PCI Express slots will be
able to co-exist and run together on these mobos.

Harry wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:08:22 +0100, BarryNL <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>
>>We Live For The One We Die For The One wrote:
>>
>>>Yes i am
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:03:22 +0000, Harry <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 02:29:18 +1100, We Live For The One We Die For The
>>>>One <Mr (E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>PCI Express is 100% compatible with PCI you can plu any PCI card into
>>>>>it and it will work just fine, DUMB ARSE.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You thick plonker. He asked about PCI Express not PCI-X !!
>>>>
>>>>PCI Express is a SERIAL interconnect technology, providing increased
>>>>bandwidth for newer, high performance graphics boards, Firewire, USB,
>>>>Network Appliances, and so on.
>>>>
>>>>The older conventional PCI standard is a PARALLEL interconnect
>>>>technology. These devices, including PCI based graphics boards, will
>>>>NOT fit in a PCI Express slot. They are NOT compatible.
>>
>>PCI Express will be backwards compatible with current PCI boards. Read
>>this article at anandtech:
>>
>>http://www.anandtech.com/systems/sho...tml?i=1830&p=7
>
>
> So PCI Express cards can be plugged into existing PCI slots (with an
> adapter), but PCI cards cannot be plugged into new PCI-Express slots.

Other way round. Future PCI Express mobos will still be able to take
current PCI cards.

> Mobo makers should release boards with PCI and PCI Express slots (and
> probably an AGP slot). Both PCI slots and PCI Express slots will be
> able to co-exist and run together on these mobos.

Exactly what will happen (except for AGP which is basically a Norwegian
Blue now).