Using XP Home, SP

Let me say first that I have already searched Help & Support; I have
Googled; and searched other places before bothering you.

After LOC does its' scan at 2AM, event viewer records a message every 11
minutes that broadcast messaging is not working. I don't use outgoing
broadcast messaging. As soon as I begin to use my PC, the notices stop.

Do I have a problem with my PC? Is there someway I can get the software to
stop creating this error message?

One person has replied to me by saying I should be in a different newsgroup.
I have read many questions/comments about LOC in this newsgroup; I hope I
have not offended anyone.

2 things:

1) START, CONTROL PANEL, ADMINISTRATIVE TOOLS, SERVICES & check to see if
the MESSENGER service is running

I don't suggest you enable it though because you will get all those
Messenger SPAM advertising windows appear as the SPAMMERS flood the IPs

2) Let us know of the exact error number in the event logs because it can be
then cross referenced...

I hope this helps,

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"abeesgram" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:48A7DA95-86EA-4A5A-AC0E-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Using XP Home, SP
>
> Let me say first that I have already searched Help & Support; I have
> Googled; and searched other places before bothering you.
>
> After LOC does its' scan at 2AM, event viewer records a message every 11
> minutes that broadcast messaging is not working. I don't use outgoing
> broadcast messaging. As soon as I begin to use my PC, the notices stop.
>
> Do I have a problem with my PC? Is there someway I can get the software to
> stop creating this error message?
>
> One person has replied to me by saying I should be in a different
newsgroup.
> I have read many questions/comments about LOC in this newsgroup; I hope I
> have not offended anyone.
>

Newbie Coder wrote:

> 1) START, CONTROL PANEL, ADMINISTRATIVE TOOLS, SERVICES & check to
> see if the MESSENGER service is running
>
> I don't suggest you enable it though because you will get all those
> Messenger SPAM advertising windows appear as the SPAMMERS flood the
> IPs


No, it's not Messenger Service that causes or allows the spam. It's running
without a firewall enabled that does it.


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Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
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I have Windows 2000 Pro as my development machine & if you run the messenger
sevice then you get those messenger spam popup.

In 2002, I wrote a tool to stop/disable the Messenger service because of
this problem.

Agreed a Firewall would block them, but for people not using one will
continue to get the SPAM popups until they did disable the Messenger
service. Try it for yourself or type into Google & you're soon find I am
correct because of the number of tools out there that do exactly the same
thing as I have just described.

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Newbie Coder wrote:

> I have Windows 2000 Pro as my development machine & if you run the
> messenger sevice then you get those messenger spam popup.


Only *if* you don't use a firewall. The operating system doesn't matter.


> In 2002, I wrote a tool to stop/disable the Messenger service because
> of this problem.
>
> Agreed a Firewall would block them, but for people not using one will
> continue to get the SPAM popups until they did disable the Messenger
> service. Try it for yourself


I don't have to try it. I know that's correct. Nevertheless the preferable
way by far to stop the popups is to enable a firewall. Turning off Messenger
Service is addressing the symptom, not the disease.

Running without a firewall is foolhardy.

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or type into Google & you're soon find I
> am correct because of the number of tools out there that do exactly
> the same thing as I have just described.

Its not many years ago when firewalls weren't so popular, Ken.

You are the only person who hangs on to your theory everyone else would
agree with me. You know I am right?

Besides, why would you need the messenger service running on a standalone
machine? You don't because its an administrative tool for broadcasting
across the network

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Newbie Coder wrote:

> Its not many years ago when firewalls weren't so popular, Ken.


True, but irrelevant. The issue has nothing to do with popularity.


> You are the only person who hangs on to your theory everyone else
> would agree with me.


Everyone else? Not at all. Some other uninformed people might agree with
you, but I know many who don't.


> You know I am right?


On the contrary, I know you're wrong.

The distinction between our positions is this:

You want to allow the malicious crap onto your machine, but turn off its
ability to communicate with you.

I want to keep the malicious crap off my machine entirely.

I'll repeat what I said earlier: running without a firewall is foolhardy. If
you have a firewall running, there's no need to turn off Messenger Service.



> Besides, why would you need the messenger service running on a
> standalone machine? You don't because its an administrative tool for
> broadcasting across the network


Two points:

1. The OP never said that his is a standalone machine.

2. It doesn't matter whether it's a standalone machine or not. My concern
has little to do with whether Messenger Service is running or not. My
concern is that turning off Messenger Service is *not* adequate protection.
It makes the popups disappear, but continues to allow the underlying malware
into your computer.

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Please reply to the newsgroup

"Newbie Coder" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote

> Its not many years ago when firewalls weren't so popular, Ken.
>
> You are the only person who hangs on to your theory everyone else would
> agree with me. You know I am right?
>
> Besides, why would you need the messenger service running on a standalone
> machine? You don't because its an administrative tool for broadcasting
> across the network

Ken's the only one who hangs on to what theory? That one should not be
online without a firewall? One should never go online without a firewall.
Using a router with NAT helps but a firewall should still be used. I
certainly don't agree with you. The messenger service being on actually
performs a service. If the spam pop ups occur then it's a good warning that
the system is not protected with a firewall that is doing it's job.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

Rock wrote:
> "Newbie Coder" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>
>> Its not many years ago when firewalls weren't so popular, Ken.
>>
>> You are the only person who hangs on to your theory everyone else would
>> agree with me. You know I am right?
>>
>> Besides, why would you need the messenger service running on a standalone
>> machine? You don't because its an administrative tool for broadcasting
>> across the network
>
>
> Ken's the only one who hangs on to what theory? That one should not be
> online without a firewall? One should never go online without a
> firewall. Using a router with NAT helps but a firewall should still be
> used. I certainly don't agree with you. The messenger service being on
> actually performs a service. If the spam pop ups occur then it's a good
> warning that the system is not protected with a firewall that is doing
> it's job.
>
My opinion is that turning a firewall on and turning Messenger
off(removed or at least disabled) is a sure-fire approach.

Bill

Read 1/2 way down the page in Green, Ken (before introducing SHOOT THE
MESSENGER) & the top of the article too:

http://www.grc.com/stm/shootthemessenger.htm

It says:

Even if your Windows 2000 or XP machine is safe
behind a personal firewall or NAT router, shutting
down the Messenger Service is a good idea.

Notice the date on the application. It says 2003

Another page:

http://www.updatexp.com/messenger_service_spam.html

This page states what you said, but also if you see the workaround Microsoft
tells you to disable the Messenger service:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330904

Another page:

http://www.spywareguide.com/txt_messengerspam.php

Source Code:

http://www.planet-source-code.com/vb...1372&lngWId=10

etc etc etc

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