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Clive in Kent
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      15th Feb 2006
Hi all,

I've got two hard drives on my system, one running XP Home and the other
running XP Pro, on two different user accounts. My problem is that on start
up I'm not given the option on which to boot up from. I have to go into the
BIOS each time and change the disc boot-up preference there and then
re-start which is a real pain.

What I would ideally like to do is to have a short-cut on my desktop on each
OS which would enable me to shutdown and re-start booting up in the other.
Is this a possibility??

Hoping I've made sense!!!

Clive Holden (Kent UK)


 
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"Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> I've got two hard drives on my system, one running XP Home and the other
> running XP Pro, on two different user accounts. My problem is that on

start
> up I'm not given the option on which to boot up from. I have to go into

the
> BIOS each time and change the disc boot-up preference there and then
> re-start which is a real pain.
>
> What I would ideally like to do is to have a short-cut on my desktop on

each
> OS which would enable me to shutdown and re-start booting up in the other.
> Is this a possibility??
>
> Hoping I've made sense!!!
>
> Clive Holden (Kent UK)
>
>


It appears that you installed your two versions of Windows
each on its own disk, each having a system drive letter C:.
This drive letter must be maintained. You now have two
options:
- Continue switching disks in the BIOS, or
- Install a proper boot manager, e.g. XOSL.

Some boot managers such as XOSL need either a FAT
partition or a small dedicated partition to run. Others will
operate without a dedicated partition.


 
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"Pegasus (MVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've got two hard drives on my system, one running XP Home and the other
>> running XP Pro, on two different user accounts. My problem is that on

> start
>> up I'm not given the option on which to boot up from. I have to go into

> the
>> BIOS each time and change the disc boot-up preference there and then
>> re-start which is a real pain.
>>
>> What I would ideally like to do is to have a short-cut on my desktop on

> each
>> OS which would enable me to shutdown and re-start booting up in the
>> other.
>> Is this a possibility??
>>
>> Hoping I've made sense!!!
>>
>> Clive Holden (Kent UK)
>>
>>

>
> It appears that you installed your two versions of Windows
> each on its own disk, each having a system drive letter C:.
> This drive letter must be maintained. You now have two
> options:
> - Continue switching disks in the BIOS, or
> - Install a proper boot manager, e.g. XOSL.
>
> Some boot managers such as XOSL need either a FAT
> partition or a small dedicated partition to run. Others will
> operate without a dedicated partition.
>
>


Thanks for your quick response Pegasus. Actually the two drives have
different letters C & I. I'll try a boot manager, as you suggest, and see if
that helps.

Thanks again

Clive



 
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Ron Sommer
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      15th Feb 2006

"Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
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>
> "Pegasus (MVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>> "Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've got two hard drives on my system, one running XP Home and the other
>>> running XP Pro, on two different user accounts. My problem is that on

>> start
>>> up I'm not given the option on which to boot up from. I have to go into

>> the
>>> BIOS each time and change the disc boot-up preference there and then
>>> re-start which is a real pain.
>>>
>>> What I would ideally like to do is to have a short-cut on my desktop on

>> each
>>> OS which would enable me to shutdown and re-start booting up in the
>>> other.
>>> Is this a possibility??
>>>
>>> Hoping I've made sense!!!
>>>
>>> Clive Holden (Kent UK)
>>>
>>>

>>
>> It appears that you installed your two versions of Windows
>> each on its own disk, each having a system drive letter C:.
>> This drive letter must be maintained. You now have two
>> options:
>> - Continue switching disks in the BIOS, or
>> - Install a proper boot manager, e.g. XOSL.
>>
>> Some boot managers such as XOSL need either a FAT
>> partition or a small dedicated partition to run. Others will
>> operate without a dedicated partition.
>>
>>

>
> Thanks for your quick response Pegasus. Actually the two drives have
> different letters C & I. I'll try a boot manager, as you suggest, and see
> if that helps.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Clive
>
>
>

The drive letters are assigned by Windows.
C is the boot partition.
When you boot Home, it is on C.
When you boot Pro, it is on C.
--
Ron Sommer


 
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"Ron Sommer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> > "Pegasus (MVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >>
> >> "Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
> >> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I've got two hard drives on my system, one running XP Home and the

other
> >>> running XP Pro, on two different user accounts. My problem is that on
> >> start
> >>> up I'm not given the option on which to boot up from. I have to go

into
> >> the
> >>> BIOS each time and change the disc boot-up preference there and then
> >>> re-start which is a real pain.
> >>>
> >>> What I would ideally like to do is to have a short-cut on my desktop

on
> >> each
> >>> OS which would enable me to shutdown and re-start booting up in the
> >>> other.
> >>> Is this a possibility??
> >>>
> >>> Hoping I've made sense!!!
> >>>
> >>> Clive Holden (Kent UK)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> It appears that you installed your two versions of Windows
> >> each on its own disk, each having a system drive letter C:.
> >> This drive letter must be maintained. You now have two
> >> options:
> >> - Continue switching disks in the BIOS, or
> >> - Install a proper boot manager, e.g. XOSL.
> >>
> >> Some boot managers such as XOSL need either a FAT
> >> partition or a small dedicated partition to run. Others will
> >> operate without a dedicated partition.
> >>
> >>

> >
> > Thanks for your quick response Pegasus. Actually the two drives have
> > different letters C & I. I'll try a boot manager, as you suggest, and

see
> > if that helps.
> >
> > Thanks again
> >
> > Clive
> >
> >
> >

> The drive letters are assigned by Windows.
> C is the boot partition.
> When you boot Home, it is on C.
> When you boot Pro, it is on C.
> --
> Ron Sommer


What you describe are the default drive letters.
They are not compulsory - Windows can run off
any drive letter, such as I: in the case of the OP's PC.


 
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Clive in Kent
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"Ron Sommer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>> "Pegasus (MVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>
>>> "Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've got two hard drives on my system, one running XP Home and the
>>>> other
>>>> running XP Pro, on two different user accounts. My problem is that on
>>> start
>>>> up I'm not given the option on which to boot up from. I have to go into
>>> the
>>>> BIOS each time and change the disc boot-up preference there and then
>>>> re-start which is a real pain.
>>>>
>>>> What I would ideally like to do is to have a short-cut on my desktop on
>>> each
>>>> OS which would enable me to shutdown and re-start booting up in the
>>>> other.
>>>> Is this a possibility??
>>>>
>>>> Hoping I've made sense!!!
>>>>
>>>> Clive Holden (Kent UK)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It appears that you installed your two versions of Windows
>>> each on its own disk, each having a system drive letter C:.
>>> This drive letter must be maintained. You now have two
>>> options:
>>> - Continue switching disks in the BIOS, or
>>> - Install a proper boot manager, e.g. XOSL.
>>>
>>> Some boot managers such as XOSL need either a FAT
>>> partition or a small dedicated partition to run. Others will
>>> operate without a dedicated partition.
>>>
>>>

>>
>> Thanks for your quick response Pegasus. Actually the two drives have
>> different letters C & I. I'll try a boot manager, as you suggest, and see
>> if that helps.
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> Clive
>>
>>
>>

> The drive letters are assigned by Windows.
> C is the boot partition.
> When you boot Home, it is on C.
> When you boot Pro, it is on C.
> --
> Ron Sommer
>


Err - no - they are definitely C & I!!

Clive


 
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Clive in Kent
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"Pegasus (MVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Ron Sommer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> "Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >
>> > "Pegasus (MVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >>
>> >> "Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
>> >> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>> I've got two hard drives on my system, one running XP Home and the

> other
>> >>> running XP Pro, on two different user accounts. My problem is that on
>> >> start
>> >>> up I'm not given the option on which to boot up from. I have to go

> into
>> >> the
>> >>> BIOS each time and change the disc boot-up preference there and then
>> >>> re-start which is a real pain.
>> >>>
>> >>> What I would ideally like to do is to have a short-cut on my desktop

> on
>> >> each
>> >>> OS which would enable me to shutdown and re-start booting up in the
>> >>> other.
>> >>> Is this a possibility??
>> >>>
>> >>> Hoping I've made sense!!!
>> >>>
>> >>> Clive Holden (Kent UK)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> It appears that you installed your two versions of Windows
>> >> each on its own disk, each having a system drive letter C:.
>> >> This drive letter must be maintained. You now have two
>> >> options:
>> >> - Continue switching disks in the BIOS, or
>> >> - Install a proper boot manager, e.g. XOSL.
>> >>
>> >> Some boot managers such as XOSL need either a FAT
>> >> partition or a small dedicated partition to run. Others will
>> >> operate without a dedicated partition.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Thanks for your quick response Pegasus. Actually the two drives have
>> > different letters C & I. I'll try a boot manager, as you suggest, and

> see
>> > if that helps.
>> >
>> > Thanks again
>> >
>> > Clive
>> >
>> >
>> >

>> The drive letters are assigned by Windows.
>> C is the boot partition.
>> When you boot Home, it is on C.
>> When you boot Pro, it is on C.
>> --
>> Ron Sommer

>
> What you describe are the default drive letters.
> They are not compulsory - Windows can run off
> any drive letter, such as I: in the case of the OP's PC.
>
>


Sorry, perhaps I should have explained further. The second drive "I" came
out of another machine where the MB had "fried. When I moved it into the
other machine it maintained it's I drive letter

Clive


 
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"Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
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>
> "Ron Sommer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>> "Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>
>>> "Pegasus (MVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>
>>>> "Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got two hard drives on my system, one running XP Home and the
>>>>> other
>>>>> running XP Pro, on two different user accounts. My problem is that on
>>>> start
>>>>> up I'm not given the option on which to boot up from. I have to go
>>>>> into
>>>> the
>>>>> BIOS each time and change the disc boot-up preference there and then
>>>>> re-start which is a real pain.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I would ideally like to do is to have a short-cut on my desktop
>>>>> on
>>>> each
>>>>> OS which would enable me to shutdown and re-start booting up in the
>>>>> other.
>>>>> Is this a possibility??
>>>>>
>>>>> Hoping I've made sense!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Clive Holden (Kent UK)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It appears that you installed your two versions of Windows
>>>> each on its own disk, each having a system drive letter C:.
>>>> This drive letter must be maintained. You now have two
>>>> options:
>>>> - Continue switching disks in the BIOS, or
>>>> - Install a proper boot manager, e.g. XOSL.
>>>>
>>>> Some boot managers such as XOSL need either a FAT
>>>> partition or a small dedicated partition to run. Others will
>>>> operate without a dedicated partition.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your quick response Pegasus. Actually the two drives have
>>> different letters C & I. I'll try a boot manager, as you suggest, and
>>> see if that helps.
>>>
>>> Thanks again
>>>
>>> Clive
>>>
>>>
>>>

>> The drive letters are assigned by Windows.
>> C is the boot partition.
>> When you boot Home, it is on C.
>> When you boot Pro, it is on C.
>> --
>> Ron Sommer
>>

>
> Err - no - they are definitely C & I!!
>
> Clive
>

Then you should be able to alter boot.ini to dual boot.
Start, Run, msconfig, Check all boot paths.
Or manually add the second OS to boot.ini.
Start, Run, edit C:\boot.ini
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> "Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Ron Sommer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>
>>> "Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>
>>>> "Pegasus (MVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
>>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got two hard drives on my system, one running XP Home and the
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> running XP Pro, on two different user accounts. My problem is that on
>>>>> start
>>>>>> up I'm not given the option on which to boot up from. I have to go
>>>>>> into
>>>>> the
>>>>>> BIOS each time and change the disc boot-up preference there and then
>>>>>> re-start which is a real pain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I would ideally like to do is to have a short-cut on my desktop
>>>>>> on
>>>>> each
>>>>>> OS which would enable me to shutdown and re-start booting up in the
>>>>>> other.
>>>>>> Is this a possibility??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hoping I've made sense!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clive Holden (Kent UK)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It appears that you installed your two versions of Windows
>>>>> each on its own disk, each having a system drive letter C:.
>>>>> This drive letter must be maintained. You now have two
>>>>> options:
>>>>> - Continue switching disks in the BIOS, or
>>>>> - Install a proper boot manager, e.g. XOSL.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some boot managers such as XOSL need either a FAT
>>>>> partition or a small dedicated partition to run. Others will
>>>>> operate without a dedicated partition.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your quick response Pegasus. Actually the two drives have
>>>> different letters C & I. I'll try a boot manager, as you suggest, and
>>>> see if that helps.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again
>>>>
>>>> Clive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The drive letters are assigned by Windows.
>>> C is the boot partition.
>>> When you boot Home, it is on C.
>>> When you boot Pro, it is on C.
>>> --
>>> Ron Sommer
>>>

>>
>> Err - no - they are definitely C & I!!
>>
>> Clive
>>

> Then you should be able to alter boot.ini to dual boot.
> Start, Run, msconfig, Check all boot paths.
> Or manually add the second OS to boot.ini.
> Start, Run, edit C:\boot.ini
> --
> Ron Sommer


Thanks Ron, I'll give it a go

Clive
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"Clive in Kent @hotmail.com>" <cliverholden<remove> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> I've got two hard drives on my system, one running XP Home and the other
> running XP Pro, on two different user accounts. My problem is that on
> start up I'm not given the option on which to boot up from. I have to go
> into the BIOS each time and change the disc boot-up preference there and
> then re-start which is a real pain.
>
> What I would ideally like to do is to have a short-cut on my desktop on
> each OS which would enable me to shutdown and re-start booting up in the
> other. Is this a possibility??
>
> Hoping I've made sense!!!
>
> Clive Holden (Kent UK)


(Clive later states that the drives are designated C: & I:, the latter drive
cannibalized from a defunct machine)

Clive:
I'm not sure if a simple edit of the boot.ini file as suggested by Ron
Sommer will work in this case. If it does, fine. But let me give you another
possible course of action for your consideration.

Consider equipping your desktop computer with two removable hard drives.
These mobile rack devices are two-part affairs - the rack itself and the
inner tray (caddy) in which the hard drive resides that slides into the
rack. They come in all-aluminum models or a combination of aluminum-plastic
ranging in price from about $15 to $50. Naturally, your
desktop computer case will need two 5Ľ" bays that are available to house the
mobile racks. Mobile racks come in various versions, depending upon whether
the hard drive to be housed is an IDE/ATA, SATA, or SCSI device. A Google
search for “removable hard drive mobile racks” will result in a wealth of
information on these products and their vendors. I'm aware of many users
(including ourselves) who have been using inexpensive plastic mobile racks
without any problems
whatsoever. Unfortunately, there is no industry standard involving the
design and construction of the racks nor the inner trays that contain the
hard drive.Consequently, there is (usually) no interchangeability of these
trays among the various manufacturers of mobile racks. Indeed, there is
frequently no interchangeability of the inner trays among different models
from the same manufacturer. This lack of interchangeability may not be an
issue if the user (like yourself) will be purchasing a particular model of
mobile rack for a single computer, however, if the user will have access to
other computers, he or she may want to settle on a specific brand and model
of mobile rack that will provide for tray interchangeability amongst
different computers.

Installing the mobile racks is no more difficult than installing any 5 1/4"
device such as an optical drive. Using them is simplicity itself. As noted
above, the HD resides in a removable tray that easily slides in & out of the
rack. A simple keylock that the user can turn ON or OFF determines whether
that drive will be active in the system. So in your case, if you want to
boot to your C: drive you simply turn the keylock to its ON position. Ditto
with your I: drive. No need to get into the BIOS or use a boot menu. And the
drive that is not in use is both electrically & physically detached from the
system, another advantage.

And consider another enormous advantage of removable hard drives... Now you
can have an *unlimited* number of hard drives at your disposal, to be used
for any purpose you desire. In most cases you can purchase additional
trays/caddies for your mobile rack and thus have at hand as many hard drives
as your needs & pocketbook will allow.

There is no performance negative to using removable hard drives - they will
operate identically to an internal HD.

Should you have only one available 5 1/4" bay on your desktop computer case
to house a mobile rack you could still use this hardware configuration to
good advantage. Although you didn't say, I assume your two hard drives are
PATA ones. In that case you would connect the removable HD as Primary Master
and your other internal HD as Secondary Master. So when the removable HD is
ON, the system will boot to that drive, when OFF, the system will boot to
the internal HD.

We've been using removable hard drives for about five years now and we've
helped many, many users install these devices. I can virtually guarantee
that once you begin working with this hardware arrangement, your only regret
will be that your previous computer(s) weren't so equipped.
Anna



 
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